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Post by alneufeld on Jun 22, 2009 23:51:16 GMT -6
I'm curious - I am facing a situation where I have removed a player from our team for VERY poor academic performance (he has been tested and is perfectly capable, but will not do any work). I, my coaching staff and the other teachers have tried for 3 years to get him to work and he will not. Now, since I have removed him from the team, the parents are whining that I have it out for him and am simply making an example of him.
I want to know if any of you have grades as part of your team rules or code of conduct, and what are the consequences. For me, it has always been passing average, taking into account for students strengths and weaknesses. The school accepts that. What do you guys have?
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Post by bigm0073 on Jun 23, 2009 6:49:43 GMT -6
Absolutely...
During the season if I have a kid on academic probation (2.2 or lower) he has to give a grade sheet weekly.
If that grade sheet falls below 2.2 he does not play that week (Or more then 1 F or D). I have parents and players sign a permission form at the beginning of the year so they are in compliance.
At my last school (Rough area) I sat MANY a player for games for poor academic standing. I also dismissed them for behavior and academic issues as well. First year it was a SHOCK by year three these issues became minor. Take away their playing time and they will respond... If not well they are lacking the character you want to win.
For the parents,
Shame on them for putting athletics above academics. Any administrator with his salt will back you 1000% on this... It is easy...
Is the kid a discipline problem?
I did a study on our team from last year (Not really scientific but still helpful).. Players with under 2.3 GPA in my opinion become "Coach Killers".. they lack the character, discipline and proper understanding to help you win... I know people will argue but if your team is made up of a lot of kids that fall into this category they will "kill you" at some point. I weed those kids out in the off-season.
Several of those players last year made critical, critical, CRITICAL mental mistakes in crucial situations in the 4th quarter. Believe me I learned.. A few have come around many could not deal with the structure and organization of our program.
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Post by hammer58 on Jun 23, 2009 8:37:18 GMT -6
Al,
Just went through the same thing this season. Great player on the field, but a total jerk to his teachers and refusal to do any work at all. Did not attain even a partial credit in Grade 9. Here is the rub. His father was one of my assistants. Despite repeated counseling from me and the guidance people, no improvement. So we sat him for our play-off games and won one and lost the semi. Father was furious, called me out in front of the team. AD and Principal backed me, but it was a very stressful situation.
Bottom line....no matter what, in a school setting these are student-athletes. They are held to a higher standard and there needs to be a minimum academic component. If not you lose the respect of the players who work hard at school and the respect of your peers in the building. When you have these issues make sure you have all the evidence on paper and keep administrators informed of your moves every step.
Hope this helps.
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Post by colmesneilfan1 on Jun 23, 2009 12:50:42 GMT -6
Our players have to get grade sheets every two weeks....rhodes scholars as well as the lower ones.......Anyone with a grade below 75 is given the proper motivation to bring that grade up....  |
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Post by paydirt18 on Jun 23, 2009 21:04:56 GMT -6
In order for the kids at our school to play football they must have earned a GPA of 2.0 or higher-no exceptions. The official rule in our league is that if a kid earns less than a 2.0 he must sit out the first 3 games of the season. What I did is eliminate that part and simply said if you can't earn a 2.0 then you can't play. Most people thought I was cutting my own throat as I ended up going into the 08 season cutting 38 kids. So we started that August with only 34 kids (10-12) and at the end we qualified for the state playoffs for only the 5th time in school history-one of the best years (funnest -is that a word?) I have ever had as a coach.
Going into 09-we saw the number of kids we would have to cut drop to 23. Doesnt sound like much-but it is progress.
In reflection, yeah I cut some potentially good athletes, but if they can't get a 2.0 on a 4 block schedule?....I plan on continuing to implement this.
If anybody wants to know the exact way I set this plan up I will email you everything I put together on it-use it for reference-whatever-but I am happy to share
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Post by 44dlcoach on Jun 24, 2009 15:28:02 GMT -6
Our school adopted this rule that you can't even be on the team if you have under a 2.0 about 3 years ago. At first I was totally opposed to the rule, but 90% of the guys who have been eliminated by it were guys you wouldn't want on your team anyway.
I don't know if it is because of this rule or not, but we have about 50 guys on our varsity and only 2-3 are even question marks grade wise right now.
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Post by airman on Jun 24, 2009 15:45:39 GMT -6
at pulaski high school in inner city milwaukee(mini east st. louis il) they hired a new basketball coach a few years ago. pulaski has not been really successful in BB. so this coach institutes a team 3.0 GPA to play basketball. well the parents and the school admin were on this guy. first year it was tough but they had not been successful before so the coach figured so what.
while they are not anywhere near winning a state championship they are competitive and no player has under a 3.0 gpa. kids who would not have gone to college are now going to college because they are successful in the class room.
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Post by hsrose on Jun 25, 2009 0:10:00 GMT -6
I don't have separate academic minimums for the players. I've set the expectation that 3.0 is the goal for every player, but I don't have to be the bad guy on grades, our AD does that plenty well.
The stuff below is the official statement on eligibility. In our school we don't have D's or F's. An I is the same as a D, but it has to be cleared or it turns into an NC. Students don't get out of the work in other words. Notice that an I has the same GPA affect as an NC meaning no points. The I's can carry over so you get an I this semester but as long as you clear it by the end of next semester you are fine and they recompute your GPA. In a couple of schools we compete with they would go by the 2.0 and no F's. Well, you take a TA in PE (A), a PE/football class (A), an art or something (2 C's), a math or english or history (any two, D's) and you meet the 2.0 and you play. Our school has the I's which have to be worked off and if not, can come back to bite the players as it goes to an NC. It's a bit different, but I personally like the having to work off the I's. The grading periods are the quarters.
Basically a player is ineligible if at the quarter grades they have 2 I's or 1 NC.
The Mission Valley Athletic League has established scholastic athletic eligibility as being enrolled and passing 20 units of course work. A 2.0 grade point average must be maintained, without having any NC's. Eligibility checks will be made at the end of each grading period. If an athlete has between a 1.75 and 2.0 or has one NC, he/she will be placed on academic probation until the next grading period providing the athlete wasn't on academic probation the proceeding grading period. If after the grading period he/she does not have a 2.0 or better and/or no NC's, then that athlete would be ineligible to participate in athletics. An incomplete is equal to an F when computing grade point average. If a student receives an incomplete in a grading period, that student has the following grading period to complete the incomplete work, and receive a grade or that “I” will turn into an NC.
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