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Post by adienner on Jun 2, 2009 7:50:32 GMT -6
I'm getting a lot of resistance from baseball players about liftin the day of or the day before a summer legion baseball game.
I am all for players playing different sports, but these players seem to think that baseball players don't lift during the season. I even had a dad tell the players not to lift over the summer because he works with the phillies and their pitchers don't lift during the season. The whole baseball program is starting to buy into it.
Just wondering if any other school has this problem. If so, how did you deal with it?
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Post by John Knight on Jun 2, 2009 7:53:48 GMT -6
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Post by buckeye7525 on Jun 2, 2009 7:59:12 GMT -6
That is so much BS. I am our JV baseball coach and we lifted three days a week (both jv and varsity teams) throughout the season, including game days at 6:30am. Now, our head baseball coach is a big weight room guy. He has preached since day one that we are out athleted in every sport and the only way to fix that is in the weight room. I was worried about how our guys would feel about lifting the day of a game. But that worked out the first game when our starting pitcher squatted for 5x5 that morning then came out and threw a no hitter, striking out 14. At that point the I never heard another word about lifting the day of a game. Our senior first baseman actually thanked me for making him lift after he jacked an opposite field shot in one game.
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Post by adienner on Jun 2, 2009 8:05:35 GMT -6
John, Thanks for the article. I printed it out and highlighted parts of it already. It'll be up in the weight room by the end of the day.
Buckeye, That sounds like an awesome situation you got started at your school. I wish our baseball coach was a 'weightroom guy'. I can imagine that a couple home runs would shut up the haters real quick.
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Post by John Knight on Jun 2, 2009 8:42:45 GMT -6
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Post by jgordon1 on Jun 2, 2009 8:59:05 GMT -6
Barry Bonds???
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Post by tothehouse on Jun 2, 2009 9:07:52 GMT -6
What sport is next on the SCHOOL calendar? Football. That is what the kid should be training for. AAU, etc. can ruin a kids high school career if the players start listening to those coaches. Not saying all HS coaches are right, but at our place...it is firm that the next sport takes precidence.
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Post by bamf99 on Jun 2, 2009 9:54:00 GMT -6
I agree with house!!! NO lift - NO Play... Last time I checked, baseball players stand around and football players move and play with violence.
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Post by ware89 on Jun 2, 2009 10:34:16 GMT -6
Just curious but why not have your baseball/football players give you a copy of their summer baseball schedule and build your lifting sessions around it. Then post both the baseball schedule and lifts in the locker room and weight room. If a game gets post-poned due to weather you will have time to adjust their lifting schedule. They will still get all of their mandatory lifts in and that's what's important anyway. This is what we have done in the past and have had minimal problems. We don't want to turn kids off to playing football. Same goes for the parents. We have 97 players on our football teams (freshman, JV, Varsity) and thats choosing from roughly 475 boys grades 9-12.
As for kids lifting the day of a baseball game that is something we totally avoid. We have had kids do a lite workout the day before or after but never the day of. Simply not enough recovery time.
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Post by adienner on Jun 2, 2009 11:41:51 GMT -6
We do our best to schedule around baseball games, but when our players try to tell us something like 'My coach says I can't lift because I have a baseball game tomorrow night', I can't work with that. That means if they have a game Monday, Wednesday, and Friday they can't do anything all week.
I'm basically wondering if other schools have this same problem.
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Post by wingtol on Jun 2, 2009 14:22:13 GMT -6
I don't understand why these baseball and basketball coaches are so against lifting. We unfortunately have two like that in our school. They do lift but it is almost painful to watch. I have asked many people if those two watch their sports on TV because it seems like these baseball and basketball players in the pro's and D-1 all look like they could play in the NFL as well. But I guess being bigger and stronger only gives you an advantage in football...
I am about to strangle our baseball coach but that is a rant for another day
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Post by airman on Jun 2, 2009 15:20:38 GMT -6
I can a kid not really lifting in the summer if he plays summer baseball for the high school but Americal Legion is a different deal.
baseball coaches argue about to lift or not to lift a lot. interesting thing here is you do not have to lift to increase your bat speed.
there is an overweight/underweight batting program which developes bat speed. i think this is where baseball coaches get their anti weightlifting gig.
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Post by John Knight on Jun 2, 2009 15:44:59 GMT -6
Well, you should see the soccer fellas and gals! LOL!!!!
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Post by hardknox on Jun 2, 2009 16:53:30 GMT -6
When it comes down to it the question is... do they really want to play football? What is the parents view? To me its a safety issue. Players that are not keeping up are putting themselves at risk. Especially if they are not strong to begin with. Even in baseball strength has NEVER been a detrement to anyone. You show me a great athlete that never lifted and I willing to bet my a$$ thet he/she would have been better with some strengh training. In saying this you must understand I have played and coached baseball nearly all my life. The summer is the time for HS athletes to make strength a point of emphasis. During this time the ONLY guy that should get any consideration is a guy that has to pitch that day. (but even he can do core work and light running) As far as your summer coaches they can go to h___, winning in summer baseball is way overrated.
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Post by eghscoach on Jun 2, 2009 19:20:02 GMT -6
Agree with hardknox. had to explain to my "baseball phenom" that FSU's baseball team lifts EVERY SINGLE DAY! (They do this to keep routine the same - d not wnat superstition of good/poor play to interfere with training). None of them realize that there a LOT more FB scholarships $$$$ for football than baseball & basketball combined!
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Post by cnunley on Jun 3, 2009 11:18:26 GMT -6
I have read several different articles where baseball and basketball teams lift 2-3 days per week no matter if its game day or not just to keep up the routine.
Why cant more people see the benefits of weight training...if not to get stronger, at least see the injury prevention side of things. Fortunately, the baseball coach is into lifting. Hasnt completely sold out but is on the right track and we're currently hiring a new basketball coach who will not have a choice in the matter.
And I FIRMLY believe in the statement "whatever sports season is next is the most important" Im football #1 and all the time. BUT as soon as the season is over I constantly recruit the halls asking kids to play basketball, baseball, track, soccer. I just want them to continue competition. Learn how to compete.
We had a baseball kid who qualified for the State track meet in the 100 meter dash. After making it to state he walks up to the track coach and says...'i dont think i can go to state because i have a travel baseball game' ARE YOU KIDDING ME.
Luckily the kid did the right thing and went to the track meet. (End Rant Now)
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Post by coachk12 on Jun 3, 2009 19:42:25 GMT -6
The one exception I have for baseball players is if they are pitchers, and I even have an exception for that. I myself was a pitcher and felt a noticeable difference if I indeed did lift ON THE DAY I PITCHED.
So, in our case, our varsity QB and JV QB are both very good pitchers. We've asked them for their legion schedule and they let us know if they are scheduled to start on the mound that day. If they're playing the field, they lift.
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Post by hardknox on Jun 4, 2009 16:01:03 GMT -6
dcohio your track coachn is full of it and he knows it... however, if it's ever mentioned as a problem again tell him to STFU
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Post by coachd5085 on Jun 4, 2009 17:07:13 GMT -6
I am so amazed that non pitchers and catchers are worried about this. Seriously...what the hell do they do so vigorously...
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Post by tothehouse on Jun 4, 2009 18:00:20 GMT -6
There is a baseball team around these parts that won it's third straight title. There is an article somewhere.....one of the players states that they couldn't have done what they did without the weightroom. A baseball team that lifted year round.....won 3 straight titles.....GO FIGURE? (Looking for the article online)
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Post by robinhood on Jun 5, 2009 9:21:16 GMT -6
In Indiana I think its just that basketball coaches want to show other coaches who is the boss - "I can make my guys not participate in your program".
You guys know - basketball is the most important sport, and this is the way they try to show it.
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Post by tothehouse on Jun 5, 2009 9:58:43 GMT -6
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Post by mariner42 on Jun 5, 2009 11:50:48 GMT -6
TTH, I could kiss you for that link... I won't, but I totally could. Can't wait to slap a few of our baseball guys in the face with that.
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Post by bigm0073 on Jun 5, 2009 12:13:18 GMT -6
Some of you football coaches that want baseball players to lift game day and or the day before... Would you be ok with this? I know I do NOT want my QB or any varsity player lifting game day... Most strength coaches prefer 24- 48 hours before a game... Especially with some idiot who has them doing 75% - 95% of their max... SCREW THAT!!
Hey I am all about lifting but put it in perspective too... Do not make this a pissing match too. I say if the baseabll player and or basketabll player (these seem to be our main concerns) lift twice a week (upper body / lower body... Or how we do it groundbase and explosive one day) then that is plenty...
I had baseball players and basketball players leave us and play their sports... Most worked out twice a week... some weeks only once... NOt heavy only 50 - 60% of may for 8-12 reps and cleans, snatches were light x 5 reps
At the end of their season we tested ALL of them within 2-3 weeks... Every player saw an increase in thier maxes... some substantiel (Younger Players).
Me personally - Give me the better athlete who has the discipline to play 2-3 sports and excel over some stiff board who lifts hard and comes every day but SUCKS or is average..
I have to admit - I have 4 very good rbs and 3 of them play a second sport... I am better off with them missing weightroom time and competing (They are good athletes) then sticking them in the weight room every day... These kids still got 1- 2 workots in a week but they were not doing our FOUR DAY routine... They all came back and blew off our doors in testing...
Just something to think about.
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Post by phantom on Jun 5, 2009 14:52:46 GMT -6
I wouldn't want our guys lifting on game day so I don't blame baseball coaches for feeling the same way. The day before-well we do lift the day before. Thursday is a lifting day inseason for us.
On the other hand a few years ago our track coach tried to keep a track/football athlete from lifting the whole week before states. The kid was a shotputter. That didn't fly.
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Post by tothehouse on Jun 5, 2009 14:57:19 GMT -6
We lift on game days. We have a morning football class...it's an opportunity to wake them up. Do we max? No. Do we lift? Heck yeah! Kids love it.
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Post by tango on Jun 6, 2009 7:04:03 GMT -6
I played college baseball and coached baseball at the high school level for 7 years. You are trying to get them ready for college or the draft. At the very least a district championship. Not some summer league game that means nothing at all.
Our J.V. guys lift period. Our varsity guys lift unless it a district game. If I know who is pitching, I give him a choice. Sometimes I will let the catcher off some also.
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Post by timmccormi on Jun 14, 2009 21:42:32 GMT -6
What sport is next on the SCHOOL calendar? Football. That is what the kid should be training for. AAU, etc. can ruin a kids high school career if the players start listening to those coaches. Not saying all HS coaches are right, but at our place...it is firm that the next sport takes precidence. I am with you 100 %, but I am the only one preaching the same thing! I have kids in summer basketball crap-kids in baseball, little league garbage, senior ball. Hell we have out first game in two months and I have just a small number of kids taking it serious! You name it and football takes a back seat to it) I dredged through a 1-9 season last year. Told them to expect the same unless we get in the weight room the right way. and wouldn't you know it but I am already experiencing the Deja Vue feelings! Tried to express this to my Athletic Director, but I guess I did not get him to understand. I have a kid who started all games for us last year doing basketball crap and this kid is 5-6 really? Basketball?
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Post by hardknox on Jun 18, 2009 18:28:14 GMT -6
I am with you 100 %, but I am the only one preaching the same thing! I have kids in summer basketball crap-kids in baseball, little league garbage, senior ball. Hell we have out first game in two months and I have just a small number of kids taking it serious! You name it and football takes a back seat to it) I dredged through a 1-9 season last year. Told them to expect the same unless we get in the weight room the right way. and wouldn't you know it but I am already experiencing the Deja Vue feelings! Tried to express this to my Athletic Director, but I guess I did not get him to understand. I have a kid who started all games for us last year doing basketball crap and this kid is 5-6 really? Basketball? Of the kids that ase committed do they have any sway over their peers? Sometimes the importance is best built by peer pressure. It must be a terrible feeling, to see that kind of long year coming again. Keep a positive attitude stress to the players who are committed the importance of the others being there. They should know that it affects them too. They should encourage the others to attend EVERY time they see them or call them. I believe if it comes from the kids who believe that pressure will get some results.
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Post by eghscoach on Jun 27, 2009 17:21:11 GMT -6
Summer baseball & summer basketball are both the WORST! There is a fairly successful football coach in N. FLA (& very succcesful wqeightlifting coach) who benches and does soem triceps stuff on Friday's during the fall so that coaches from other sports annot say anything to him about making their FB athletes lift on gameday during the winter & spring. Not sure I agree with this but thought it would be of interest to this thread. There coems a point where a multi-sport athlete needs to make a commitment to truly preparing for FB season!
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