taker
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Post by taker on May 20, 2009 19:30:54 GMT -6
I am an assistant coach at a very small school. We usually have 5 coaches, sometimes only 4, during practice. For offense I do the running backs. On the defensive side I am the defensive coordinator and run the entire defense. Obviously when we do our defensive day I coach the entire defense when we do team defense.
My question.......on our offensive day when we get into team offense, should I coach my running backs and watch what they are doing, or should the head coach (and offensive coordinator) watch over them and that would free me up to coach the scout team defense? on the flip side of this is during our team defense should the head coach/offensive coordinator stay with the scout team offense?
I am leaning toward the scout team defense. This way I can get 2 good days with the team defense and the hc/oc can get 2 good days with the team offense. I know scout team is different, but I can still get some good coaching/techniques into the heads of the kids, even on scout team.
I would like to hear some of your thoughts and/or what you do.
Thanks.
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Post by aztec on May 20, 2009 22:53:20 GMT -6
I help run scout defense so I can work with those kids. Our staff doesn't coach the other side of the ball and this way we can focus on one position. I find I get a better idea of what kids can or can't do and can coach them up during scout. I am also our DC so it works out well.
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Post by ocinaz on May 20, 2009 23:21:13 GMT -6
Here is one example...HC oversaw practice...On offensive days, OC ran team O, OL and RB coaches helped with adjustments as an extra set of eyes...Our DC ran the scout team...On defensive days, HC oversaw everything, DC ran the team D with help from a couple assistants, OC ran the scout O...We have 5-6 coaches...
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Post by touchdownmaker on May 21, 2009 5:18:15 GMT -6
What does the HC tell you to do?
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taker
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Post by taker on May 21, 2009 6:23:32 GMT -6
What does the HC tell you to do? This will be our 2nd year coaching together. Last year we kind of did it both ways. I would watch RB and scout team defense, but I didn't really like it because I was watching too much and not really focusing on particular things. The reason I ask is because we have another coaches meeting next weekend and I am thinking of bringing this up as discussion. I want some ideas/answers pros/cons I can take to the meeting. |
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Post by miamian on May 21, 2009 6:37:35 GMT -6
I believe a team is only as good as its scout team. If your scout team gives you great effort and is lined up correctly, your varsity gets good work and will pay off on Fridays. Therefore, making sure its run correctly is important! If it means devoting a coach to it during team periods, then thats what it takes. Kids lined up incorrectly or not following their assignments only slows down the learning and creates a lack of focus for the varsity squad trying to see how they would attack a certain look or play.
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Post by John Knight on May 21, 2009 6:48:33 GMT -6
Run correctly means running your opponents Defense, the way they run it and not coaching up your own techniques and stunts. That is not helping the offense get ready for Friday night.
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Post by coachsky on May 21, 2009 7:08:39 GMT -6
Run correctly means running your opponents Defense, the way they run it and not coaching up your own techniques and stunts. That is not helping the offense get ready for Friday night. This is a really good point. I take a couple hours every Saturday morning to scout our oppositions Defense so we can give our offense the fronts, coverages, and stunts they will see on Friday. We expect the same from our Offensive coaches and I get cranky if they can't replicate their offense. We take it seriously on defense. It also show one benefit of only coaching one side of the ball. I've done it both ways. |
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Post by touchdownmaker on May 21, 2009 7:30:18 GMT -6
What does the HC tell you to do? This will be our 2nd year coaching together. Last year we kind of did it both ways. I would watch RB and scout team defense, but I didn't really like it because I was watching too much and not really focusing on particular things. The reason I ask is because we have another coaches meeting next weekend and I am thinking of bringing this up as discussion. I want some ideas/answers pros/cons I can take to the meeting. you will get best results from the scout team if you coach them intensely. film the team O and then you can review that when you get home , then fix what you saw during indy time. |
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Post by schultbear74 on May 21, 2009 7:48:54 GMT -6
I find that the best person to run the scout O is the OC and the best person to run the scout D is the defensive coordinator.
The problem is, if either one is the HC, he wants to be with the non-scout side of the ball. It is his A$$ on the line.
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Post by Wingtman on May 21, 2009 7:49:08 GMT -6
We had a staff of 6, this is what we did. Head Coach/OC did the offense, along with the OL coach. I as the JV HC/DC coached the scout squad (opponents alignment, plus I got to do a few coaching points about steps, tackling, whatever), when it was our offense. When it was OUR defense vs the opponent, the HC/OC/ JV OC did the scout squad while the varsity DC (and OL coach) and I did OUR defense. The 6th guy? Who knows what the hell he did.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 21, 2009 8:00:13 GMT -6
Our HC runs the scout team offense, I give him the play sheets and script. I run the scout team defense, the OC gives me the play sheets and script. and on this note, does anyone else who runs the scout defense ever think the offensive guys try to cover too much? My prblem w/ the offensive guys is that they are always "adjusting" what they want to do w/o telling anybody. they give a script but don't follow it. They give us cards. 1,2,3,4 etc but want card 8 then card 3, then card1. of course all the cards are drawn upside down relative to the defense. sorry for the little vent but it is a big sore spot for me. |
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Post by phantom on May 21, 2009 8:24:19 GMT -6
I am an assistant coach at a very small school. We usually have 5 coaches, sometimes only 4, during practice. For offense I do the running backs. On the defensive side I am the defensive coordinator and run the entire defense. Obviously when we do our defensive day I coach the entire defense when we do team defense. My question.......on our offensive day when we get into team offense, should I coach my running backs and watch what they are doing, or should the head coach (and offensive coordinator) watch over them and that would free me up to coach the scout team defense? on the flip side of this is during our team defense should the head coach/offensive coordinator stay with the scout team offense? I am leaning toward the scout team defense. This way I can get 2 good days with the team defense and the hc/oc can get 2 good days with the team offense. I know scout team is different, but I can still get some good coaching/techniques into the heads of the kids, even on scout team. I would like to hear some of your thoughts and/or what you do. Thanks. 1. How exactly is your staff organized? It's hard to answer this question specifically without knowing that. 2. You say that you coach the whole defense. Does that mean that there are no position coaches? |
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Post by bluboy on May 21, 2009 8:29:17 GMT -6
Our head coach runs the scout team during group run and team. His doing this has helped us immensely. Doing this has helped us fix problems before game night.
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taker
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Post by taker on May 21, 2009 8:39:38 GMT -6
Run correctly means running your opponents Defense, the way they run it and not coaching up your own techniques and stunts. That is not helping the offense get ready for Friday night. I agree with this 100%. But....... If I am with the scout defense I can still watch what they are doing as far as technique, steps, tackling, hustle, etc., plus I can make sure they are running the opponents defense correctly. |
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Post by byuwolverine on May 21, 2009 8:50:04 GMT -6
It is imperative to devote at least 1 coach to the scout team. I run both scout teams during practice and switch between when we go first offense. I serve as scout QB because it is imperative to have someone competant at that position to give a good look. On Varsity, try to get 2 coaches on both scout teams if you can. Some progerams in the area devote a title to a coach whose sole responsibility is to oversee the scout team.
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Post by coachwoodall on May 21, 2009 8:52:44 GMT -6
I was at a small school and not the man in charge of the O or D. I was the eye in the sky, primarily for the O, but helped with the D as well.
As an offensive assistant who worked as a position coach for the OL and later the WRs, I decide to take charge of the scout defense. Being the guy up stairs on Friday night, I needed to get into the head of the DC and understand what he was trying to do and what he would try and adjust to vs. our O. So by playing the role of the opposing DC, say when our offense is killing the scout D with the G play, what would he do to stop that. By Friday night, from film, practice, and countless pages on a legal pad; I had a pretty decent idea of what the scheme was and what I thought the adjustments would be.
It worked well for us. Now I am a dedicated defensive coach, but I still play the same games of trying get in the head of the OC. I spend more time study offenses than I do defenses now.
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Post by taker on May 21, 2009 8:56:16 GMT -6
1. How exactly is your staff organized? It's hard to answer this question specifically without knowing that. 2. You say that you coach the whole defense. Does that mean that there are no position coaches? I should have provided some more info. We do have individual position coaches, I do DB, 1 coach does LB, 2 coaches do DL, head coach floats, unless we are down a coach on a particular day then hc goes to LB and pushes another coach to DL. By running the defense I meant that I am the dc, not literally running the whole defense. ;D catcoachjenkins.....this is basically what I would like to do. We have the same set-up of coaches as you do. When we do 1st team offense the hc/oc runs the O, line coachs watche line, leaving me & maybe another coach to watch wr/rb and the scout defense. When we do 1st team defense, I run the D, line coaches watch line, leaving the hc & maybe another coach to watch LB and the scout offense. My thinking is that between myself (dc) and the head coach (oc) we can better coach the kids, even if it is the scout teams, by just staying with them, instead of bouncing all over the place. |
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Post by taker on May 21, 2009 8:58:23 GMT -6
I serve as scout QB because it is imperative to have someone competant at that position to give a good look. We try to do this also, but somedays we just don't have the extra person to do it. |
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Post by coachsky on May 21, 2009 9:28:32 GMT -6
I serve as scout QB because it is imperative to have someone competant at that position to give a good look. Our OC and RB coach call the plays and our WR coach, former QB and guy who is still in really good shape is our scout QB. We work primarily on their top 5 running plays, top 5 passing plays or route combinations. We also cover their trick or specialty plays. Our OC helps find "tells". Slight variation in alignments of first step by a specific position. The guy is good. A lot of league teams never figure it out and have the same "tells" every year. HAVING A GOOD SCOUT QB. Not a player. Is huge! |
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Post by phantom on May 21, 2009 9:44:35 GMT -6
1. How exactly is your staff organized? It's hard to answer this question specifically without knowing that. 2. You say that you coach the whole defense. Does that mean that there are no position coaches? I should have provided some more info. We do have individual position coaches, I do DB, 1 coach does LB, 2 coaches do DL, head coach floats, unless we are down a coach on a particular day then hc goes to LB and pushes another coach to DL. By running the defense I meant that I am the dc, not literally running the whole defense. ;D catcoachjenkins.....this is basically what I would like to do. We have the same set-up of coaches as you do. When we do 1st team offense the hc/oc runs the O, line coachs watche line, leaving me & maybe another coach to watch wr/rb and the scout defense. When we do 1st team defense, I run the D, line coaches watch line, leaving the hc & maybe another coach to watch LB and the scout offense. My thinking is that between myself (dc) and the head coach (oc) we can better coach the kids, even if it is the scout teams, by just staying with them, instead of bouncing all over the place. I can understand that but I think that you need to remember that O day is for the offense and D day is for defense. The guy who has the least to coach with that unit should be the coach running the scout team. If, for example, you're the RB coach and the HC/OC coaches QBs then he's in a position to pay attention to the RBs as well during team period. That would free up you to coach scout D. Remember, though, that the idea is to give the O the best look. That sometimes means that the scout team will have to do things that you don't do. Coaching the scout D can help your D but don't do it at the cost of game prep for the O or the development of your offensive position. |
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Post by PSS on May 21, 2009 9:54:40 GMT -6
On the same line as Phantom: running the scout D and teaching could simply be Stance and Alignment, gap responsibility, and coverages that relate to your defense.
You have to give the O the best look of your opponent including fronts, stunts, shifts, disguises of coverages, etc that you may not have in your package.
However, you can always coach stance and alignment, reaction, and running to the ball.
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Post by crl on May 23, 2009 2:11:31 GMT -6
I hate this part, when I was coaching in college we had a DC who would coach up as we ran the scout lucky for me we traded off...but the beyotch was time and reps they wanted run so we were always hurrying and hearing s##t from the D side...we filmed everything and as of know with myself DCing we film everything . I do not coach up at all, I let the plays run, I game plan up vs the run on inside or team and test it out, if it works it stays if I see problems it goes.The next practice I then know what trouble we are having teq wise and assign the asst coaches to work on our indy time those problems specific...otherwise we spend the little time working and improving our skills. I run very little Team and Inside we send out a power point before we practice for a team with what we have to stop and any new look we have. We work on 7 plays max, that they run strongly and concentrate on shutting those down and as for Skelly the blessing of pattern read we don´t run any opponent passing game, what we concentrate is on motion, flood looks and what and how the QB reacts to certain looks and we disguise those up to set our trap. I would spend so much time coaching up without film and trying to get the Scout team to do this and that....guys, even a mini cam with some students on ladders at practice helps 100%...then upload the film after practice send it out on emails to the staff and you can fix everything that night or early morning. I think I would shoot myself if I went back to the old system. No more time delays and the HC beoyaching about the fricking clock....as for testing we do not have to check this and that it is all on film and quick decisions are made and if all runs well even half time adjusts are filmed and you can see if they work. As for our O they tell me what they want we throw it in and let them play it out.
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Post by coachriley on May 23, 2009 3:23:23 GMT -6
I guess I will devils advocate a little bit now. I agree with needing a good scout D, but on Friday night, I sure as hell didnt want my position (I was fullbacks and nose guards coach) screwing everythign up because I hadnt coached them well enough during the week. So i think coaches need to coach whatever their main position is for the varsity, and let a couple coaches handle the scout team.
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Post by coachorr on May 23, 2009 8:56:32 GMT -6
I hate this part, when I was coaching in college we had a DC who would coach up as we ran the scout lucky for me we traded off...but the beyotch was time and reps they wanted run so we were always hurrying and hearing s##t from the D side...we filmed everything and as of know with myself DCing we film everything . I do not coach up at all, I let the plays run, I game plan up vs the run on inside or team and test it out, if it works it stays if I see problems it goes.The next practice I then know what trouble we are having teq wise and assign the asst coaches to work on our indy time those problems specific...otherwise we spend the little time working and improving our skills. I run very little Team and Inside we send out a power point before we practice for a team with what we have to stop and any new look we have. We work on 7 plays max, that they run strongly and concentrate on shutting those down and as for Skelly the blessing of pattern read we don´t run any opponent passing game, what we concentrate is on motion, flood looks and what and how the QB reacts to certain looks and we disguise those up to set our trap. I would spend so much time coaching up without film and trying to get the Scout team to do this and that....guys, even a mini cam with some students on ladders at practice helps 100%...then upload the film after practice send it out on emails to the staff and you can fix everything that night or early morning. I think I would shoot myself if I went back to the old system. No more time delays and the HC beoyaching about the fricking clock....as for testing we do not have to check this and that it is all on film and quick decisions are made and if all runs well even half time adjusts are filmed and you can see if they work. As for our O they tell me what they want we throw it in and let them play it out. Great post, I like it. |
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