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Post by Coach Bennett on May 20, 2009 12:16:44 GMT -6
Looking for some scenarios where you'd employ a free kick after a fair catch. Thoughts?
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Post by phantom on May 20, 2009 12:18:13 GMT -6
Looking for some scenarios where you'd employ a free kick after a fair catch. Thoughts? End of half or end of game down 3 or less at a distance from which our kicker has a chance to make it, |
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Post by jpdaley25 on May 21, 2009 5:20:42 GMT -6
That's about it.
Has anyone ever seen it done successfully in a high school game?
I have seen it attempted twice. A team I coached for about 20 years ago tried it once, and I saw it at a game I was scouting about 10 years ago - neither attempt was successfull.
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Post by otowncoach on May 21, 2009 7:56:02 GMT -6
Didn't see it in person, but know that it won a game for a team around here about 4 years ago.
We talk about it with our kids the Thursday before our first game. It blows their minds - they don't believe us that it is legal. We want to make sure we talk about it and explain the rules to them before it happens in a game and then their minds are really blown.
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Post by Coach Bennett on May 21, 2009 8:20:38 GMT -6
Would any of you ever try it outside of field goal range? Say a team punts it to your 30 and they haven't moved the ball all day. Would you try and back them up?
I'm thinking you'd take the ball if they were that bad but just brainstorming other possible situations.
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Post by fatkicker on May 21, 2009 8:28:01 GMT -6
we had a perfect opportunity to do it 2 years ago......playing a terrible team and they punted to us at about the 35 with a few seconds to go in the half......
we threw one in the endzone for an incompletion....
nobody on the staff thought about it until we got in the lockerroom at halftime....
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Post by byuwolverine on May 21, 2009 8:52:14 GMT -6
End of half, when the other team is kicking from inside their 20 yard line or depending on how strong the kids leg is, or weather conditions.
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Post by mitch on May 21, 2009 9:16:50 GMT -6
I've only seen it attempted once,and they made it.
I was in HS and a team we were playing the next week hit one at the end of the half from about 40.
Been coaching 11 years and haven't seen it since.
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Post by revtaz on May 21, 2009 10:30:20 GMT -6
Oddly enough, I saw it two years ago.
Two teams that are generally in the championship game for their division are playing in the regular season. Pretty much a battle all game, no one is really getting anywhere with the ball. Plymouth (the undefeated reigning state champ) and Souhegan (the archnemesis of Plymouth) are getting down and down to the wire. Souhegan punts it from the 3 to about the 25. The kid fair catches it. The Souhegan home crowd is going ballistic because they think that Souhegan won.
Out trots the kicker. Boom goes the kick, it's good. Souhegan loses by 1.
I was with a friend of mine and he was stunned. He didn't know about the rule at all and neither did anyone else in the crowd. I did, but I didn't realize it was happening until the kick came out.
Interesting tidbit, the head coach of Plymouth (one of the truly great coaches in NH) used the fair catch free kick to win a playoff game back in the early 90's I think. It would have been better for the punter to let the ball go out the back of the endzone. It at least would have been tied and they could have played another down.
Taz
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Post by Coach Bennett on May 21, 2009 10:46:55 GMT -6
After a fair catch do you simply tell the referee of your intentions?
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Post by John Knight on May 21, 2009 10:49:47 GMT -6
The captain must inform the official.
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Post by Coach Bennett on May 21, 2009 11:20:18 GMT -6
Thanks coach. Ok...let's say it's the near the end of the game, you're down and are opting to free kick. Your captain informs the official. Once he informs him could you go at "nascar" pace, kick it almost immediately likely catching the receiving team not giving you 10 yards from the kick and giving your kicker an even better shot? All highly unlikely just wondering when and how in the next 30 years to bust it out  |
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Post by John Knight on May 21, 2009 11:35:45 GMT -6
No, it is a free kick and the officials will line up and make you wait just like a kickoff. You can move the ball anywhere between the hashes on the yardline where caught. You can kick the ball off the tee and the R team must be 10 yards away just like a kickoff.
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Post by Coach Bennett on May 21, 2009 11:41:31 GMT -6
Thanks coach!
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Post by John Knight on May 21, 2009 12:26:57 GMT -6
I think up 6 late in the 4th Quarter would be a good time to try one. Defense holds the opponent, they decide to punt and try to get the ball back. You line up in Free Kick and get a shot at 3. Now you are up more than one possesion. If you miss the FG it probably will be a touchback and they have to go 80 yards to beat you.
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Post by cmow5 on May 21, 2009 12:37:27 GMT -6
OK anybody want to explian this rule to me or gve me a link?
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Post by John Knight on May 21, 2009 12:40:36 GMT -6
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Post by khalfie on May 21, 2009 12:47:02 GMT -6
No, it is a free kick and the officials will line up and make you wait just like a kickoff. You can move the ball anywhere between the hashes on the yardline where caught. You can kick the ball off the tee and the R team must be 10 yards away just like a kickoff. Great post... And the most important point... YOU CAN KICK THE BALL OFF THE TEE... Meaning, traditional FG range is not important... If you have a kid that's can kick the ball into the endzone from the 40... anywhere on the opponents side of the 50... is Free Kick range...  |
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Post by tribepride on May 21, 2009 14:17:25 GMT -6
That's about it. Has anyone ever seen it done successfully in a high school game? I have seen it attempted twice. A team I coached for about 20 years ago tried it once, and I saw it at a game I was scouting about 10 years ago - neither attempt was successfull. The coaching staff before us did it successfully at the end of a game to win the section and go on to win the state title. The other teams was taking the snap and the qb would run around (to waste time) and then take a knee about 7-8 deep for three plays in a row. They fair caught the punt, elected the free kick and made a 45yard field goal. |
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Post by bobgoodman on May 21, 2009 15:06:56 GMT -6
Would any of you ever try it outside of field goal range? Say a team punts it to your 30 and they haven't moved the ball all day. Would you try and back them up? Besides the obvious "waste of downs", it has these pluses & minuses: | pluses | minuses | | You don't have to snap the ball back from the spot to kick it. | Your coverage doesn't get to go downfield before the kick. | | There's no rush. | You don't get to kick out of bounds, even on a bounce or roll. | | If you place kick, you don't need someone to hold the ball. | The other team knows you're kicking for sure. | | You can recover the ball if it advances 10 yards. | | | You can spot the ball anywhere between the hash marks. | | | Regardless of the new rules, your players can wear numbers 1-99. | |
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Post by bobgoodman on May 21, 2009 15:12:20 GMT -6
Ok...let's say it's the near the end of the game, you're down and are opting to free kick. Your captain informs the official. Once he informs him could you go at "nascar" pace, kick it almost immediately likely catching the receiving team not giving you 10 yards from the kick and giving your kicker an even better shot? Heh...you're thinking like rugby, where that's done routinely. No, I'm sure the officials would do the right thing and explain the situation, indicating the restraining lines (for which they could use the first down chain) before making the ball ready for play. |
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Post by bobgoodman on May 21, 2009 15:17:07 GMT -6
I think up 6 late in the 4th Quarter would be a good time to try one. Defense holds the opponent, they decide to punt and try to get the ball back. You line up in Free Kick and get a shot at 3. Now you are up more than one possesion. If you miss the FG it probably will be a touchback and they have to go 80 yards to beat you. OTOH you can use up a lot of time (or the other team's time outs) in 4 downs, let alone the opp'ty to move the chain and waste more. |
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Post by John Knight on May 22, 2009 7:02:24 GMT -6
I agree Bob and that is one of those HTBT situations. If you feel you would be better served playing defense. But you are right it is a gutsy call.
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Post by raiderpirates on Jun 12, 2009 10:51:07 GMT -6
No, it is a free kick and the officials will line up and make you wait just like a kickoff. You can move the ball anywhere between the hashes on the yardline where caught. You can kick the ball off the tee and the R team must be 10 yards away just like a kickoff. Thanks greatly, I've seen a kid hit a scoreboard outside the regulation track surrounding the football field from a tee placement when the wind was right on a regular kickoff(hard 20 mph plus). Our K hit one to the 2 yard line into the same wind for his kickoff. |
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Post by coach4life on Jun 12, 2009 12:16:20 GMT -6
Minor point, but as long as you're kicker gets it into the end zone there can be no return.
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Post by Tooch43 on Jun 16, 2009 19:14:14 GMT -6
Why don't you get three points when kicking off and the ball goes through the uprights then?
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Post by phantom on Jun 16, 2009 20:18:21 GMT -6
Why don't you get three points when kicking off and the ball goes through the uprights then? Coach, please understand that this answer isn't meant to be smarta$$ed: Because that's not the rule. |
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