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Post by airraider on May 16, 2009 23:29:00 GMT -6
For you warm up but not stretch in practice guys.. do you do the pregame team stretch?
It just seems like a staple of high school football.. the lining up and stretching as a team.. all the call outs.. the pumping each other up.. the "show" of it all..
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Post by wingtoc on May 17, 2009 6:17:40 GMT -6
We don't stretch in practice or before games. We go straight to positions and warm up there. I have the running backs so we take handoffs, long stride run, pitch catching and a little bit of blocking to get that 1st hit in.
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Post by djohnson on May 17, 2009 6:49:42 GMT -6
We have not stretched in a warm-up mode for 7 years, instead we use the dynamic warm up approach. We used to get the muscle pulls regularly until we switched, not one since the changeover. Check out the research on stretching prior to activity. With respect to the "rah rah" on game night, each group has their thing and then we finish with two team moments.
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Post by shortpunter on May 17, 2009 16:09:52 GMT -6
We got a JV game late last year. We arrived on time but no one was there and we found out they had a nother field acroos town.. Anyway we got dressed and jogged to thefield to find them waiting. it was 1 minute to kickoff and they asked how much time we would need to get ready. I turned to the team and asked if they ever played backyard football and of course thay all had I said how much warm up did you need for that? they all said none. and I turned back to their coach and said we are ready now.. He just said something like "It's your funeral..." Long story short... We won 28-0 held them under 100 yards and had a great game all around. I wonder sometimes if we spend too much time on all the rituals and warm ups.
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Post by groundchuck on May 17, 2009 16:28:41 GMT -6
Here is what we do pregame:
1. Skill guys and kickers/longsnappers/centers are out early going through things
2. Out come the lineman.
3. Jumping jacks spelling out our mascot
4. Partner Hamstring Stretch
5. Saigon Squat
6. Dynamic Warmup
I would do dynamic first but it looks better and more organized to do the quick stretches in the lines. Then the kids are on to defensive position groups.
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Post by D-Coach on May 18, 2009 12:45:26 GMT -6
We have not stretched before practice or games in 6 years. We have a dynamic warm-up before practices and games. Have not seen an increase in muscle pulls or strains.
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Post by John Knight on May 18, 2009 12:54:16 GMT -6
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Post by coachsky on May 18, 2009 13:36:14 GMT -6
Hmmm...that's random. What does the HAKA have to do with this subject? Lot's of college and HS teams perform the HAKA, but it doesn't replace their Dynamic Warm up. I've only had it performed by two teams I've faced and it made out kids more pumped to go hit. I don't believe in static stretching as part of football practice/warm-up. It has value as an athletic discipline apart from practice. |
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Post by rideanddecide on May 18, 2009 13:58:43 GMT -6
Specialists out
Linemen out--go to indy D
Indy O
Team O
Locker room
take field
Air--I went through the same process you are in now last year. Decided it would be stupid and a waste of time to stretch before a game if we never stretch at any other time, or worse, stretch because every other team does jumping jacks and makes a bunch of noise. Didn't make sense to do it just to do it so we don't.
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Post by mojoben on May 19, 2009 12:50:10 GMT -6
Last job I was at we didn't stretch before practices or games. Pretty much had the same routine as beardc. Never had problems with pulled muscles and such.
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Post by John Knight on May 20, 2009 10:31:57 GMT -6
I was going for Funny Coach Sky, Guess you didn't think it was. I think the Haka is stupid, but that is just me!
The old standard HS football stretching really is just a ritual though much like the Haka!
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Post by Coach Bennett on May 21, 2009 11:28:40 GMT -6
Like some of you, we do a little bit of both. We'll get in lines, do our jumping jacks, pushups, maybe a core exercise, then move to dynamic warm up.
We like it because the format allows us to take attendance easily in practice (everyone has an assigned spot and it they are absent there is a "hole" there) and we get to hootin' an' hollerin' before breaking into our dynamic warm up.
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byuwolverine
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Post by byuwolverine on May 22, 2009 6:41:41 GMT -6
Alright, stretching does have its place, if not then why do many college teams emphasize it?
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Post by coachwilley on May 22, 2009 6:50:09 GMT -6
I'm getting the feeling that stretching is more of a long term benifit type of thing with very little short term benifits. Some of the research suggests that static strectching actually can do more harm than good as far as directly before a contest. (if I'm reading this stuff right)
When we quit static stretching before practices and games I really missed it. I think a lot of it has to do with the tradition/routine of it more than anything else.
Does it seem like it's being accepted as more of a post workout excercise now?
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Post by John Knight on May 22, 2009 6:54:44 GMT -6
I always think of this, when the discussion of stretching pre-game comes up!
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byuwolverine
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Post by byuwolverine on May 22, 2009 15:29:39 GMT -6
I always think of this, when the discussion of stretching pre-game comes up! I have yet to see a team act that way. Wow. |
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Post by mitch on May 22, 2009 16:07:52 GMT -6
Yeah, that was a part they should have left on the edit room floor.
Stupid part of an awesome movie.
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Post by Coach Bennett on May 24, 2009 7:36:02 GMT -6
Does it seem like it's being accepted as more of a post workout excercise now? We static stretch at the end of practice and it has served us well injury-wise the past few years. |
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Post by GANNO on May 25, 2009 8:10:15 GMT -6
Currently, we do dynamic stretching routine in about 10 lines... Butt kicks, knee hugs, walking toe touches, ect... No static stretching is done!
However, there is something to say for war chant type pre-game stretching routines... I coached at an inner city type school, and I really feel like our kids used it as motivation. Some other coaches even commented on the intimidation factor of it.
Saying that, I now coach against a team who is dead silent before the game. They come out and just HIT! It is equally intimidating to warm up in pure silence!
We are considering a short static stretching routine for war chanting purposes! I love what they do at Hawaii!!!
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Post by rpetrie on May 25, 2009 8:55:15 GMT -6
I agree and have seen the "Titans" routine used before. It can be quite entertaining and really gets the crowd & kids pumped. I'd have to say it really is more about cultural or school historical basis and see nothing wrong with it. I guess as a coach, as long as I didn't sacrafice practice time towards "perfecting" the routine I would be equally supportive.
We do the skills group dynamics & then specialties, then OLine dynamics, then O/D indies, O/D team, locker room...game time. Sometimes our kids have asked to do less in pregame because we tend to get too intense.
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Post by Bill Vasko on May 27, 2009 13:13:07 GMT -6
It is correct that studies show that pre-game stretching can actually hamper the athlete's performance. I have my athletes do a series of dynamic, full-body exercises to start. Then they can do any static stretches on their own if they'd like. Then we go into agility type movements. I wish more of them would eliminate the static stretching, but this was my first year and I still have some work to do to convince them that it is not necessary--hard to change old habits.
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Post by coachwilley on May 27, 2009 21:47:28 GMT -6
It is correct that studies show that pre-game stretching can actually hamper the athlete's performance. I have my athletes do a series of dynamic, full-body exercises to start. Then they can do any static stretches on their own if they'd like. Then we go into agility type movements. I wish more of them would eliminate the static stretching, but this was my first year and I still have some work to do to convince them that it is not necessary--hard to change old habits. I know exactly what you're talking about. I went through one of the reports with the kids on the percentages it could hamper performance and was feeling pretty good. The kids buy in and we're off and running. Until the first game they show up 10 minutes ahead of schedule to the field because they wanted to static stretch. Of course it was no big deal on practice days. I let them do it the last two years, I feel most of the edge is mental so whatever makes them "feel" ready probably outweighs the actual disadvantages. |
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