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Post by gewingt on May 15, 2009 8:18:27 GMT -6
Do you find time to teach all the situations you may see during the game: An example would maybe be a blocked FG - what to do if the ball crosses the LOS compared to if the ball goes backwards.
I was going to use our summer to try and go through all the crazy things that happen and what we should do!
Is this something you all do or am I just over analyzing and wasting time?
Thank You
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Post by jpdaley25 on May 15, 2009 8:34:46 GMT -6
We go over something like 50 different situations every Thursday starting after two-a-days.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on May 15, 2009 8:38:29 GMT -6
I think it's very important to go over situations. I definitely would plan on doing a few at a time. Maybe like you suggested- go over all punt situations, i.e. blocked punt doesn't goes past LOS=DON'T TOUCH...
I think teaching the kids the game is something we need to do more of rather than just teaching them to get their job done.
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Post by bccarnes on May 15, 2009 8:52:36 GMT -6
We went back through two years of film and wrote down everything we wanted our kids to know. We are going to have elementary football school during summer workouts. We are going to cover what we think is important (that coaches usually assume kids know).
One example would be, yes we want you to always fall on a loose ball on kickoff (that is the rule for all big guys), but if it is a linedrive and you are in the back row, don't fall on the ball at the 25 yard line with the closest defender 30 yards away.
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Post by jml on May 15, 2009 11:10:51 GMT -6
Is any one willing to share their list. This sounds like something worth doing, but I don't want to reinvent the wheel.
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Post by fbdoc on May 15, 2009 11:15:00 GMT -6
We teach situations throughout the year such as blocked punt or FG, Kickoff return rules (line drive, high kick/fair catch) and the like. Every phase of the game has those special moments that - if you DON'T teach them - you will end up wishing that you did!
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Post by John Knight on May 15, 2009 11:40:08 GMT -6
Free kick after fair catch is one that should be practiced. Few (players or coaches) even know the rule exists!
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Post by ccox16 on May 15, 2009 20:55:10 GMT -6
coach knight could you explain that one more please?
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Post by phantom on May 15, 2009 21:02:12 GMT -6
Free kick after fair catch is one that should be practiced. Few (players or coaches) even know the rule exists! Agreed. We practice it even though it hasn't come up in years. After a fair catch you have the right to a free kick. That WOULD count if you hit the FG. As a free kick, it's kicked like a kickoff, from a tee with the bad guys 10 yards back. |
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Post by coachorr on May 15, 2009 22:04:28 GMT -6
Blocked field goal is a dead ball......so we have to teach this so that a kid doesn't hall off and hit an unarmed man!  In other words, I find it even more complex when you consider the idiosyncrasies from college and even professional. |
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Post by phantom on May 16, 2009 9:13:25 GMT -6
Blocked field goal is a dead ball......so we have to teach this so that a kid doesn't hall off and hit an unarmed man! In other words, I find it even more complex when you consider the idiosyncrasies from college and even professional. Hold on, a blocked FG is not a dead ball. A blocked extra point is but not a FG. |
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Post by seagull73 on May 16, 2009 12:12:44 GMT -6
The free kick after a fair catch can be kicked from a tee not a block & still count as a field goal? Are you sure?
A blocked FG is live a blocked PAT is dead.
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Post by phantom on May 16, 2009 12:24:20 GMT -6
The free kick after a fair catch can be kicked from a tee not a block & still count as a field goal? Are you sure? Yep. |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on May 18, 2009 10:30:46 GMT -6
We used to practice the free kick after a fair catch during my high school days- I would love to see it happen...
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Post by 44dlcoach on May 18, 2009 11:56:09 GMT -6
Somebody (maybe Arizona) actually tried the free kick after a fair catch in the NFL this season. Then the kicker didn't hit the ball squarely and it ended up looking like a squib kick, kind of anticlimactic.
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Post by John Knight on May 18, 2009 12:04:06 GMT -6
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Post by John Knight on May 18, 2009 12:18:27 GMT -6
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Post by dubber on May 18, 2009 12:25:12 GMT -6
No. I would consider it over analyzing and a waste of time. You can't possibly cover every conceivable situation...heck most coaches don't know every conceivable situation themselves. Do you and your wife go through infidelity fights just incase it happens? For once, I disagree with you. It's not like you schedule 15 minutes for the "free kick period" or 10 minutes for the "advancing a tipped punt period" You do it once on the day before game day. In college, a blocked FG can be returned for 2 points by the defense. As the bulldogs know. If you notice, the player had the presence of mond to lateral the ball to a teammate. In college, we practiced the blocked PAT lateral all the way down the field every Friday. Just in case....... Smart players are not simply endowed with higher IQ's.....they have been taught what to do when. |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on May 19, 2009 6:08:17 GMT -6
In college, a blocked FG can be returned for 2 points by the defense. I think you meant PAT- blocked FG returned is a TD  |
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on May 19, 2009 6:09:11 GMT -6
That is SWEET! I can't beleive I missed that... |
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Post by fbdoc on May 19, 2009 8:26:05 GMT -6
This goes back to the original question - YES, you do/should cover situations as you are teaching each phase of the game. When you're going over punt team, you cover blocked punt, bad snap, snap over head into the endzone, etc.
Now when someone asks, "Do you cover EVERY situation" I think that's different than saying "all the CRAZY things that happen." Its usually not something "crazy" that causes you to lose, its something very basic that should have been covered in practice.
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Post by John Knight on May 19, 2009 8:42:24 GMT -6
dc, a field goal is a scrimmage kick same as a punt. You cover don't you?
PAT (TRY) is dead when it leaves the kickers foot!
Scrimmage Kick
ART. 1 . . . A may punt, drop kick or place kick from in or behind the neutral
zone before team possession has changed.
ART. 2 . . . Any receiver may catch or recover a scrimmage kick in the field of
play and advance, unless it is during a try, or unless any member of the receiving
team has given a valid or invalid fair-catch signal. R may catch or recover a
scrimmage kick in K’s end zone.
ART. 3 . . . Any K player may catch or recover a scrimmage kick while it is in
or behind the neutral zone and advance, unless it is during a try.
ART. 4 . . . Any K player may catch or recover a scrimmage kick while it is
beyond the neutral zone or the expanded neutral zone, provided such kick has
been touched by a receiver who was clearly beyond the neutral zone at the time
of touching. Such touching is ignored if it is caused by K pushing or blocking R
into contact with the ball or it is caused by K legally batting or muffing the ball
into R. Such catch or recovery by K beyond the neutral zone causes the ball to
become dead. (See 6-5-6 EXCEPTION)
ART. 5 . . . When any K player touches a scrimmage kick beyond the expanded
neutral zone to R’s goal line before it is touched beyond the neutral zone by R
and before the ball has come to rest, it is referred to as “first touching of the kick”
and the place is the “spot of first touching.” Such touching is ignored if it is
caused by R pushing or blocking K into contact with the ball.
If any K player touches a scrimmage kick in this manner, R may take the ball at
the spot of first touching, or any spot if there is more than one spot of first touching,
or they may choose to have the ball put in play as determined by the action which
follows first touching. The right of R to take the ball at spot of first touching by K is
canceled if R touches the kick and thereafter during the down commits a foul or if
the penalty is accepted for any foul committed during the down.
ART. 6 . . . The touching of a low scrimmage kick by any player is ignored if
the touching is in or behind the expanded neutral zone. The neutral zone shall not
be expanded into the end zone.
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Post by John Knight on May 19, 2009 9:27:58 GMT -6
Check it out Whitemike!
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Post by John Knight on May 19, 2009 10:03:07 GMT -6
TRY
ART. 2 . . . The try begins when the ball is marked ready for play. It ends when:
a. B secures possession.
b. It is apparent a drop kick or place kick will not score.
c. The try is successful.
d. The ball becomes dead for any other reason.
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Post by John Knight on May 19, 2009 21:04:14 GMT -6
Do you practice overtime? I think everyone should walk through a mock OT on Thursday night.
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Post by John Knight on May 20, 2009 4:08:06 GMT -6
You don't practice punt or FG/PAT blocks?
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Post by jpdaley25 on May 20, 2009 5:29:05 GMT -6
My first year as HC a first year player leveled the punter after the kick was gone and it cost us the game. He said he didn't know.
That makes it my fault.
I go over every situation and rule that I can think of as often as I can in a way that leaves no doubt in their minds and mine that we know what we are doing. You've never encountered a bigger @sshole than me when it comes to situations and rules. We will never lose another game because a player didn't know something basic.
Don't take it for granted that they know the rules. What is obvious and simple to us may be Greek to them.
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Post by John Knight on May 20, 2009 6:06:44 GMT -6
Punter? You mean kicker? Was it a PAT or FG?
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Post by olinecoach61 on May 20, 2009 6:37:02 GMT -6
I don't try and cover every possible situation. We cover the most likely things and let the guys be football players. Keep it simple.
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Post by John Knight on May 20, 2009 6:45:10 GMT -6
61 you still need to teach the game. Those special situations can cost you big time. Kids don't really watch enough football to learn the game. You gotta coach some of that stuff and as coaches it is our duty to know and teach the rules. Many coaches watch too much Saturday and Sunday Football and don't really know the high school (NFHS) rules.
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