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Post by kylem56 on May 9, 2009 21:59:40 GMT -6
Just got done watching "Top 10 Football Myths" on the NFL Network. Some were agreeable while others were not. Incase you missed it, I believe it is showing at 11am EST on NFL Network on Sunday.
[glow=red,2,300]Here is the Top 10 Football Myths according to NFL Network:[/glow]
Honorable Mention: Tackle Statistics Are Accurate, Every year every team has a chance to win
10. Rookie Coaches Cannot Win
9. Tough to Repeat as Champions (or harder to repeat after a repeat)
8. You should always punt on 4th down
7. Dome teams are soft
6. Icing the kicker works
5. A QB needs a rocket arm.
4. You have to run to set up the pass
3. You can't lose your job to injury if your the starter.
2. Defense Wins Championships
1. Prevent defense will prevent you from scoring.
What do you all think?
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Post by tog on May 9, 2009 22:06:02 GMT -6
i liked the
prevent offense prevents you from winning
i have seen that more than enough
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Post by kylem56 on May 9, 2009 22:14:04 GMT -6
The one though I realy think is definently NOT a myth is:
Defense Wins Championships
I dont care how much firepower you have on offense. If you cant stop the other guys from scoring, your probaly screwed.
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Post by coachjoe3 on May 10, 2009 0:43:36 GMT -6
#6 - oh yeah, I agree that's a big myth.
Only thing it ices is the TV audience . . .
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Post by lnueva32 on May 10, 2009 1:33:27 GMT -6
Icing the kicker is starting to become ridiculous. Especially calling a time out right before a field goal. It cost the Raiders a win because of this. Coach Cable calls a time out and the kicker misses it but gets another chance and makes it.
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Post by spreadattack on May 10, 2009 9:27:20 GMT -6
For the NFL network, that's a pretty good list. The defense thing we can debate. All depends on their methodology, and there's also apples to oranges.
From a fan's perspective -- i.e. will my team win the Super Bowl? -- then the defense wins championships might be a myth. If you were a Colts fan a couple of years ago your defense sucked (but yes, played well enough in the playoffs) to win a Super Bowl.
But from a coach's perspective, yes you're going to talk about defense wins championships because if you can't stop somebody you can't win jack squat. So I don't think they are really comparables. Like I said, I can't say I agree with the NFL network's list, but it's also worth remembering they are kind of discussing it, or at least directing it to, a different perspective.
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Post by coachcb on May 10, 2009 10:27:28 GMT -6
I don't agree with #2; great defense does win championships. Some of the longest running dynasties in the NFL were teams with great defenses. Heck, look at the 2000 Baltimore Ravens, they could't score 21 points if you put them in the red zone 10 times; but their defense smothered people. It's aweful tough to win games in any game if you can't score.
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Post by kylem56 on May 10, 2009 10:30:36 GMT -6
I do agree with #7 Dome Teams are Soft. Finnally, a reason for all the misery I have endured from the Detroit Lions  |
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Post by fbdoc on May 10, 2009 12:49:26 GMT -6
What reason(s) did NFL network give for claiming Defense doesn't win championships?
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Post by morris on May 10, 2009 16:19:49 GMT -6
I forgot the reason but Warren Sapp said he agreed. He said it would not win you a championship but it would give you a chance.
I am sure Balitmore and TB both wished they had some offense to help that defense out.
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Post by spreadattack on May 10, 2009 17:31:24 GMT -6
I just saw the show and they did provide counterpoints. Like they quoted several people who thought defenses DO win championships.
Their main counterpart seemed to be that you also need to score to win, which is true, but at that point reduced the whole discussion down to banality. I mean the Steelers were a dynasty, but no they probably wouldn't have won championships without Bradshaw, Franco, Swann and John Stallworth. Same with those Dolphins teams of the 70s. Great D's, but wouldn't have won without Mercury Morris and Griese/Morrall, etc. But, who knows.
They also used some counterpoints like the Rams or the Denver Bronco teams of the mid 1990s. I dunno it wasn't very scientific.
- Though I will agree that it ain't all about the D, but neither is it all about the O. You gotta be a good TEAM, and having a good defense sure helps.
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Post by airman on May 10, 2009 18:35:21 GMT -6
even though I am an offensive coach I can see how defenses can win championships.
the 2001 super bowl is a prime example. the raves and giants offenses where soor poor it really was up to the defense to put both of those offenses in good positions to score.
now compare this game with the 2000 super bowl with the rams and titans. now that was an exciting game all the way to the end. it was back and forth.. my kind of football.
I think at the high school level you can win a championship with a poor defense to be honest if you have a powerful offense. if you are scoring 35 or more points a game you can win championships because most teams do not score this many points.
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Post by carson101 on May 10, 2009 23:53:06 GMT -6
I saw it and found it was time for another beer....lol...Defense does win championships!!! formation doesn't matter if the guys get er done....
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Post by touchdownmaker on May 11, 2009 3:41:47 GMT -6
10. youth and middle school and jr high coaches dont know anything
9. it takes a 5 year plan to build a winner
8. coaches only play their favorites
7. speed teams are finesse teams
6. you should punt for field position reasons
5. you need to kick the ball deep on kickoffs for "field position" reasons
4. you need a balanced offense
3. schools "search" for a head coach and look everywhere
2. trick plays are gimmicks that take away from practice time
1. Teams that prefer to run cant pass effectively and cant win if they fall behind early
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Post by touchdownmaker on May 11, 2009 7:00:27 GMT -6
no doubt about it, defense wins championships.
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Post by bccarnes on May 11, 2009 8:33:23 GMT -6
My QB coach in college always said, "If we score every time we have the ball we will never lose a game." I think there might be a possibility of winning at the high school level with a great offense, but I think it is much easier to win with a solid defense.
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Post by fbdoc on May 11, 2009 11:24:18 GMT -6
The other side of "If they don't score ...." is
If WE have the ball, they CAN'T score!
This goes back to the posts about being efficient on offense. If you are controlling the ball and moving the chains, AND you score on a significant number of your possessions its just as good (or better) as when your defense stops the other team on a significant number of their possessions. If we have the ball, they can't score.
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Post by jgordon1 on May 11, 2009 11:29:01 GMT -6
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Post by gunrun on May 11, 2009 11:37:08 GMT -6
I don't agree with #2 (Defense Wins Championships) and #9 (Tough to Repeat as Champions (or harder to repeat after a repeat).
It is a natural tendency to let up some after experiencing success as a team and a challenge for a coaching staff to keep everyone hungry and working as hard as they did before they won a championship.
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Post by Coach JR on May 14, 2009 8:55:35 GMT -6
even though I am an offensive coach I can see how defenses can win championships. the 2001 super bowl is a prime example. the raves and giants offenses where soor poor it really was up to the defense to put both of those offenses in good positions to score. now compare this game with the 2000 super bowl with the rams and titans. now that was an exciting game all the way to the end. it was back and forth.. my kind of football. I think at the high school level you can win a championship with a poor defense to be honest if you have a powerful offense. if you are scoring 35 or more points a game you can win championships because most teams do not score this many points. I think "defense wins championships" is an oversimplified cliche' but it has some validity to it. In the NCAA D1 ranks in 2008, of the top 15 scoring defenses, Florida was #4. Two teams in the top 15, Auburn and Tennessee, had losing records. The team Florida beat for the BCS title, Oklahoma, was 58th in scoring defense. In the NFL in 2008, the Steelers and Cardinals were #1 and #28 in scoring defense in the regular season. |
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Post by warrior53 on May 14, 2009 12:45:25 GMT -6
Nice post auburn!!
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Post by op4shadow on May 14, 2009 17:03:54 GMT -6
you CAN lose your job to injury even if you're the starter....TOM BRADY (tuck rule my A**)
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Post by airman on May 14, 2009 17:46:51 GMT -6
The other side of "If they don't score ...." is If WE have the ball, they CAN'T score! This goes back to the posts about being efficient on offense. If you are controlling the ball and moving the chains, AND you score on a significant number of your possessions its just as good (or better) as when your defense stops the other team on a significant number of their possessions. If we have the ball, they can't score. The best DEFENSE is a good offense...you'll get no argument from me on that one. I love standing on the sideline watching us go on a 12 play TD drive. Heck, we'll play 3 plays a quarter if you guys are on it like that. what if your offense has 3 to 6 play drives for TDs? |
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Post by fbdoc on May 14, 2009 18:27:27 GMT -6
Same result - your offense is efficient (it SCORES!) instead of giving the ball back to the bad guys via turnover, punt, or downs. Quick score of long drive for score - the result is the same - you keep the ball away from them until you score.
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Post by endersgame on May 14, 2009 19:32:06 GMT -6
I think defense wins championships is an oversimplified cliche' but it has some validity to it. Right. I think people become enthralled about offense because success and failure is obvious, even to the average Joe who's had nine beers by half-time. Thus, people (especially coaches) who want to appear innovative and smart claim that it's really the defense that wins championships. Pretty soon everyone jumps on board, patting themselves on the back because, "All everyone notices and wants to talk about is offense, and I think defense is what wins and that makes me unique. I'm gonna look like a genius when I start winning some ball games." The belief that "defense wins championships" eventually becomes a cliche. Did that make sense or should I elaborate/clear it up more? Anyways, being a defensive guy I believe strongly in the dark side. But I don't underestimate the offense either- I can't if I want to do my job. I think playing well in all three phases of the game is what makes champions. That, or a team is overwhelmingly stacked on one side of the ball to the point that they dominate their opponents. In effect, they're on the extreme end of the talent spectrum, and they make up for the shortcomings of the rest of the team ("A good defense is a good offense," "Defense wins championships," etc). Good examples of this are the 2006 Colts and the 2000 Ravens. |
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