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Post by td4tc on May 5, 2009 14:50:34 GMT -6
over the years i've seen a number of local players kids get passed up in the draft or in recruiting because they don't "test out well" in combine type situations...in the meantime when the ball hits the field and they step across the white line i want them on my team.i don't care how far or how high they can jump or whether they can bench 225 20 times (well maybe the latter).i want to know how they perform but it seems at the next levels all these "tests" are gaining too much emphasis.kids are even going to "combine schools" to learn how to perform these drills better.what about just playing the game? agree? disagree?
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Post by tractor on May 5, 2009 15:10:07 GMT -6
If I was paying somebody upwards of $10 million a year to play a game, I'd want to know the size shape color and taste of his last BM. But that's just me.
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Post by op4shadow on May 5, 2009 15:19:51 GMT -6
although i do agree that some of the tests seem a little rediculous, but i also see the value as well. prime example is the interview. you can gain a lot of knowledge about someone (work ethic, attitude, personality, etc) through this interview. as coaches, i feel we are generally pretty good at figuring out what kind of person our players are, and this is beneficial when you decide to make a commitment to them...college or pro. I like the tests, but you have to be able to take it for what it is, and seperate the crap that really doesn't matter.
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Post by phantom on May 5, 2009 15:21:10 GMT -6
over the years i've seen a number of local players kids get passed up in the draft or in recruiting because they don't "test out well" in combine type situations...in the meantime when the ball hits the field and they step across the white line i want them on my team.i don't care how far or how high they can jump or whether they can bench 225 20 times (well maybe the latter).i want to know how they perform but it seems at the next levels all these "tests" are gaining too much emphasis.kids are even going to "combine schools" to learn how to perform these drills better.what about just playing the game? agree? disagree? Colleges get to give 25 schollies a year. NFL teams get one 1st round pick and 7 picks total. There isn't much room for error. Having quantifiable numbers makes it safer for them to choose between players who look similar on film. |
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Post by husky44 on May 5, 2009 15:48:42 GMT -6
Other than the Raiders, every team in the NFL knows that the athletic tests at the combine aren't the only evaluation tool to determine who will be successful in the NFL. What these tests do tell is how athletic a kid is.
If we have two similar players who grade well on film and have similar off the field demeanor who would you rather pick if you are an NFL franchise, one who is a little faster, powerful, and stronger or the other? I guess what I am trying to say is that at that level, very little separates athletes because they all were successful college players. Often times the better athleticism will translate at the next level.
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Post by justryn2 on May 5, 2009 16:27:59 GMT -6
I've been thinking about this topic quite a bit lately. I know that Tom Brady did poorly in the combine and was, what, a 5th round draft choice as a result. In fact, if Bledsoe hadn't got hurt, we may never have heard of Tom Brady. I wonder how Johnny Unitas would have done in the combine?
I know, with all of the money at stake and the limited opportunities to select players, coaches at both the NFL and college level want, no actually NEED, some way to validate their choices. But, I still think there are differences between great athletes and great football players and that no one has really figured out a way objectively measure what makes a great football player.
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Post by phantom on May 5, 2009 16:35:21 GMT -6
I've been thinking about this topic quite a bit lately. I know that Tom Brady did poorly in the combine and was, what, a 5th round draft choice as a result. In fact, if Bledsoe hadn't got hurt, we may never have heard of Tom Brady. I wonder how Johnny Unitas would have done in the combine? I know, with all of the money at stake and the limited opportunities to select players, coaches at both the NFL and college level want, no actually NEED, some way to validate their choices. But, I still think there are differences between great athletes and great football players and that no one has really figured out a way objectively measure what makes a great football player. Because there isn't one but, "The contest doesn't always go to the strong nor the race to the swift but that's the way to bet". Damon Runyon |
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Post by coachsky on May 5, 2009 16:35:40 GMT -6
I've been thinking about this topic quite a bit lately. I know that Tom Brady did poorly in the combine and was, what, a 5th round draft choice as a result. In fact, if Bledsoe hadn't got hurt, we may never have heard of Tom Brady. I wonder how Johnny Unitas would have done in the combine? He would have looked like stud compared to Billy Kilmer or Frank Tarkenton! |
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Post by silkyice on May 5, 2009 16:51:58 GMT -6
The only value of a combine is to compare to kids from completely different divisions or conferences. You have a D2 kid that is dominating. You want to be able to tell if he can do it in the NFL. That is a big jump. He comes in and blows the combine away, you draft him. He comes in and runs a 4.7 and jumps 30 inches at cornerback, you say, um, maybe not.
I think that is really the reason the combine got started. You couldn't get great film on everybody or maybe their school played nobody good or you didn't have enough scouts.
The combine is a waste of time now. All you should do is look at film and talk to his coaches.
If the combine means something, then how did Andre Smith get drafted? He was POOR at every single combine test. 19 at 225 for a left tackle. Get out of here.
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Post by schultbear74 on May 5, 2009 18:32:00 GMT -6
An old kinesiology professor of my acquaintance believed in the broad jumps as one of his measures to predict athletic success
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Post by fbdoc on May 5, 2009 18:43:53 GMT -6
Phantom hit it on the head. Its about numbers (data) to help make that selection. And Billy Kilmer was quite a running back (and multi-sport athlete) at UCLA. I think he probably would have done ok vs Johnny U at the combine... even though they were about 5 or 6 years apart.  |
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Post by Coach Huey on May 6, 2009 15:25:39 GMT -6
He would have looked like stud compared to Billy Kilmer or Frank Tarkenton! who's " frank tarkenton"? |
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Post by airman on May 6, 2009 15:59:29 GMT -6
An old kinesiology professor of my acquaintance believed in the broad jumps as one of his measures to predict athletic success interesting note shot putters often have huge standing broad jumps.. |
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Post by phantom on May 6, 2009 16:21:55 GMT -6
Phantom hit it on the head. Its about numbers (data) to help make that selection. And Billy Kilmer was quite a running back (and multi-sport athlete) at UCLA. I think he probably would have done ok vs Johnny U at the combine... even though they were about 5 or 6 years apart. As a RB Billy Kilmer was a part of one of the most memorable plays in football history. He's the guy who caught a short pass and fumbled. Jim Marshall picked it up and ran the wrong way with it. |
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Post by coachsky on May 6, 2009 16:37:59 GMT -6
He would have looked like stud compared to Billy Kilmer or Frank Tarkenton! who's " frank tarkenton"? Francis |
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Post by JMC on May 7, 2009 7:43:29 GMT -6
I'd heard that broad jump was a measure of explosiveness anyone else heard this?
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Post by bccarnes on May 7, 2009 8:00:15 GMT -6
I went to the combine in Indy this year...I can't help but think it is only there for the vendors to give stuff to kids and try to get them to wear their cleats, shorts, gloves, or running shoes. It seemed more like a commercial weekend where companies like Under Armour spent a lot of money than something to evaluate players. But that's just me.
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Post by schultbear74 on May 7, 2009 9:25:23 GMT -6
BFS uses it.
That old Kinesiology Prof was Dr. McDavid. He is the one who gave the braces and so forth his name.
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