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Post by coache67 on Apr 27, 2009 14:46:20 GMT -6
...after Leach slams Mangini?
Regardless of that last bit, as a "passing coach" and a Browns fan I like this move if for no other reason that I will be able to see first hand how Graham Harrell's skills transfer to the NFL.
How about the irony of Leach's comments regarding NFL coaches, comments on Crabtree's visit, and the Browns making this move?
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Post by touchdownmaker on Apr 27, 2009 17:28:58 GMT -6
Why cant all coaches, all levels realize that football is football, the level that one coaches at will present a different set of challenges than any other. As a Middle school and Freshman coach I often heard criticism heaped down by the hs guys, criticism hurled right back by the lower levels, the youth coaches bashing everyone above and all above spewing it down. Honestly, there are just a different set of challenges at each level. The NFL guys dont get to "red shirt" their draft picks for example....Nor do college guys get a shot at a great talent after having a winless season. different challenges completely. Youth coaches do not have to worry about classroom discipline or grades effecting a kids playing status, middle school coaches have less pressure to win than a hs coach but often have very little time to prepare their kids for a game despite no experience in many of their kids. different challenges.
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Post by airraider on Apr 27, 2009 18:00:01 GMT -6
...after Leach slams Mangini? Regardless of that last bit, as a "passing coach" and a Browns fan I like this move if for no other reason that I will be able to see first hand how Graham Harrell's skills transfer to the NFL. How about the irony of Leach's comments regarding NFL coaches, comments on Crabtree's visit, and the Browns making this move? Have a link to a story? |
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Post by dacoachmo on Apr 27, 2009 18:19:19 GMT -6
...after Leach slams Mangini? Regardless of that last bit, as a "passing coach" and a Browns fan I like this move if for no other reason that I will be able to see first hand how Graham Harrell's skills transfer to the NFL. How about the irony of Leach's comments regarding NFL coaches, comments on Crabtree's visit, and the Browns making this move? Have a link to a story? |
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Post by coachdubyah on Apr 27, 2009 18:24:58 GMT -6
I think one think that we can learn from this is to stand strong in your opinions. Leach is obviously not intimidated by anyone's opinion. I know a lot of coaches out there who seem to curl their tail and get discouraged when it comes to defending their players and/or their system. As a coach, believe in what you do and defend your kids. Just my opinion.
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Post by fbdoc on Apr 27, 2009 18:45:47 GMT -6
I love a nice public feud - let's see what Mangini can offer up. As far as Harrell succeeding with the Browns, its not like their other QB's are setting any records.
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Post by airraider on Apr 27, 2009 19:00:05 GMT -6
What about a link on the Browns running the Air Raid?
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 27, 2009 19:06:04 GMT -6
What about a link on the Browns running the Air Raid? I think he is talking about the browns bringing harrel to their rookie camp as a free agent deal (combined with the drafting of crabtree) |
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Post by airraider on Apr 27, 2009 19:09:38 GMT -6
What about a link on the Browns running the Air Raid? I think he is talking about the browns bringing harrel to their rookie camp as a free agent deal (combined with the drafting of crabtree) But the Niners drafted Crabtree. |
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Post by coache67 on Apr 27, 2009 19:25:07 GMT -6
Purely tongue in cheek airraider regarding the offense but playing off the signing of Harrell.
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Post by coach4life on Apr 27, 2009 22:48:06 GMT -6
Harrell didn't get drafted? When I watched the 60 minutes piece on Harrell he walked the reporter through his thought process on a play. Of course the reporter walked away thinking, wow, he did all that in 2.5 seconds? Routine for an experienced and capable Qb. Harrell is an athlete and a player, he can throw and he can move, and more importantly he can process what he is seeing. He'll do just fine given the chance.
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Post by coachschro on Apr 27, 2009 23:06:55 GMT -6
He is in a bad situation in my opinion. He has Quinn, Anderson, and now Ratliff ahead of him. It would be difficult for anyone to succeed with that many qbs ahead of you.
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Post by tarrant on Apr 28, 2009 0:02:14 GMT -6
1 or those 3 ahead of him is probably going away before camp starts, I think he's got a good shot of at least being #3. With work, we'll see what happens, I'm not sold on Anderson, and Quinn looked ok last year, but has yet to stand up to a whole season of abuse.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 28, 2009 6:02:06 GMT -6
I think he is talking about the browns bringing harrel to their rookie camp as a free agent deal (combined with the drafting of crabtree) But the Niners drafted Crabtree. Yeah, i realized that after I posted. Got my wires crossed a bit. Anyway, the first part was confirmed by coache67. It was just because they invited Harrel to the rookie camp. |
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Post by airraider on Apr 28, 2009 7:17:23 GMT -6
But the Niners drafted Crabtree. Yeah, i realized that after I posted. Got my wires crossed a bit. Anyway, the first part was confirmed by coache67. It was just because they invited Harrel to the rookie camp. Yea, I kind of got excited about thinking of the Air Raid in the NFL.. But of course it wouldnt work.. at least not how we are used to seeing it.. the no huddle and all. |
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Post by brophy on Apr 28, 2009 8:58:36 GMT -6
I find it interesting that sound quarterbacks like Harrell and (last year) Brohm drop off the face of the earth with the NFL draft, and otherwise marginal guys like Sanchez, Quinn, and Stafford are coveted so highly.
Politics, perception, and "prototypes" seem to dominate what we see (and covet) in the professional ranks. I am not sure I will every full understand the rationale sometimes.
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Post by dubber on Apr 28, 2009 9:09:26 GMT -6
I find it interesting that sound quarterbacks like Harrell and (last year) Brohm drop off the face of the earth with the NFL draft, and otherwise marginal guys like Sanchez, Quinn, and Stafford are coveted so highly. Politics, perception, and "prototypes" seem to dominate what we see (and covet) in the professional ranks. I am not sure I will every full understand the rationale sometimes. Which is why I find it very interesting a team like the Redskins has now added Daniels to their QB mix, which already includes another system guy who had an excellent pre-season in 2008, Colt Brennan. Sort of the same type of undersize, scrambling player. |
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Post by windigo on Apr 28, 2009 10:13:53 GMT -6
I find it interesting that sound quarterbacks like Harrell and (last year) Brohm drop off the face of the earth with the NFL draft, and otherwise marginal guys like Sanchez, Quinn, and Stafford are coveted so highly. Politics, perception, and "prototypes" seem to dominate what we see (and covet) in the professional ranks. I am not sure I will every full understand the rationale sometimes. Two words Rob Johnson |
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Post by docbrown on Apr 28, 2009 11:15:44 GMT -6
I may be way off base, but I think the Arizona Cardinals used a few staple Air-Raid concepts last year (Mesh and Shallow being the ones I've seen a few times) in their spread, pass heavy offense.
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Post by hoosier on Apr 28, 2009 11:22:35 GMT -6
I find it interesting that sound quarterbacks like Harrell and (last year) Brohm drop off the face of the earth with the NFL draft, and otherwise marginal guys like Sanchez, Quinn, and Stafford are coveted so highly. Politics, perception, and "prototypes" seem to dominate what we see (and covet) in the professional ranks. I am not sure I will every full understand the rationale sometimes. i agree, exccept i really like Brady Quinn. if i were an NFL coach id love to have him as my QB. then again, im not an NFL coach  im not sure how much the Harrell to CLE move has to do with Mangini though. head coaches dont have all the control over their personel, especially URFAs. the job of the GM is to bring in the types players his coaches need, rather than (most of the time) specific players |
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Post by casec11 on Apr 28, 2009 11:53:50 GMT -6
I find it interesting that sound quarterbacks like Harrell and (last year) Brohm drop off the face of the earth with the NFL draft, and otherwise marginal guys like Sanchez, Quinn, and Stafford are coveted so highly. Politics, perception, and "prototypes" seem to dominate what we see (and covet) in the professional ranks. I am not sure I will every full understand the rationale sometimes. i agree, exccept i really like Brady Quinn. if i were an NFL coach id love to have him as my QB. then again, im not an NFL coach im not sure how much the Harrell to CLE move has to do with Mangini though. head coaches dont have all the control over their personel, especially URFAs. the job of the GM is to bring in the types players his coaches need, rather than (most of the time) specific players Mangini hand picked his GM (Kokinis), a good friend, respected front office guy from baltimore and someone he worked together with before when they were young coaches with the Browns. They have repetedly said they are looking for smart players which is why they probably went and got Harrell to sign. Thier 1st 4 picks were all academic all americans I believe. |
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Post by phantom on Apr 28, 2009 13:14:11 GMT -6
I find it interesting that sound quarterbacks like Harrell and (last year) Brohm drop off the face of the earth with the NFL draft, and otherwise marginal guys like Sanchez, Quinn, and Stafford are coveted so highly. Politics, perception, and "prototypes" seem to dominate what we see (and covet) in the professional ranks. I am not sure I will every full understand the rationale sometimes. How did Brohm drop off the face of the earth? He was a second rounder. |
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Post by phantom on Apr 28, 2009 13:16:56 GMT -6
I find it interesting that sound quarterbacks like Harrell and (last year) Brohm drop off the face of the earth with the NFL draft, and otherwise marginal guys like Sanchez, Quinn, and Stafford are coveted so highly. Politics, perception, and "prototypes" seem to dominate what we see (and covet) in the professional ranks. I am not sure I will every full understand the rationale sometimes. Which is why I find it very interesting a team like the Redskins has now added Daniels to their QB mix, which already includes another system guy who had an excellent pre-season in 2008, Colt Brennan. Sort of the same type of undersize, scrambling player. You realize that using the Redskins way of doing business is not a great prototype. |
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Post by dubber on Apr 28, 2009 14:28:15 GMT -6
Which is why I find it very interesting a team like the Redskins has now added Daniels to their QB mix, which already includes another system guy who had an excellent pre-season in 2008, Colt Brennan. Sort of the same type of undersize, scrambling player. You realize that using the Redskins way of doing business is not a great prototype. That is why I used the term "interesting". You education guys know what "interesting" means. Kid shows you the project he's been working on......you were taught in feel good education school to say something positive before ripping their little hearts out, so you say "that's interesting Johnny" Dan Snyder aside, SOMEONE in Redskins land kinda likes these "system" guys, and I think they are picking the right type of guys. I have no idea about QB play, but from my fan's perspective, I think Brennan could be a starter, and Daniels could end up suprising people (like Brennan did in last year's preseason). |
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Post by warrior53 on Apr 28, 2009 14:34:43 GMT -6
I find it interesting that sound quarterbacks like Harrell and (last year) Brohm drop off the face of the earth with the NFL draft, and otherwise marginal guys like Sanchez, Quinn, and Stafford are coveted so highly. Politics, perception, and "prototypes" seem to dominate what we see (and covet) in the professional ranks. I am not sure I will every full understand the rationale sometimes. You don't think Sanchez is good? |
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Post by airman on Apr 28, 2009 15:52:50 GMT -6
look at Aaron Rodgers. he dropped down way into the first round while the niners took the highly touted alex smith.
people do not like Harrell because he rarely took a snap from under center. like it or not the NFL is an undercenter league.
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Post by davecisar on Apr 28, 2009 15:53:23 GMT -6
Maybe the Skins were looking for a Billy Kilmer look with Chase Daniel. Short and pauchy and running a 40 slower than Nebraska Offensive Guard Matt Slauson in the last camp probably didnt turn many heads. 2-9 for 1 yard and really struggling with snaps under center in the all star game was about as pretty as his blue mohak and 30 pound spare tire  |
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Post by phantom on Apr 28, 2009 16:08:42 GMT -6
look at Aaron Rodgers. he dropped down way into the first round while the niners took the highly touted alex smith. people do not like Harrell because he rarely took a snap from under center. like it or not the NFL is an undercenter league. There's no comparison between what happened to Rodgers and Harrell. Rodgers was still taken in the first round. Harrell wasn't drafted at all. Heck, he's not even really a FA as I understand it. He's invited to minicamp to try out for a contract. |
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Post by red2slam on Apr 28, 2009 17:24:00 GMT -6
Some of you need to spend more watching football with your coaching mind than your fan mind. Their are reasons everybody's favorite qbs Harrell and Daniels werent drafted or drafted low. The NFL game is not the college game. End of discussion. Some you are making statement from the heart and not the evidence on the field. Intangibles and winners are not always enought to get it done in the NFL. Winning doesnt have bias. Anybody who thinks coaches wouldnt do anything for a win, is nuts. Some of you will be sorely dissappointed when 2 of the big 3 for next years are draft are not drafted nearly as high as you think. But again it will have nothing to do with is he a winner or he has all the intangibles..blah blah blah.
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Post by coache67 on Apr 28, 2009 17:34:56 GMT -6
He's invited to minicamp to try out for a contract. Phantom is correct. I'll stay tuned this weekend! |
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