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Post by airraider on Apr 26, 2009 18:55:34 GMT -6
Have any of you had any experience in a school where a 2 sport minimum has been put in place?
My AD and I have been talking about looking into the possibility of making sports in our school follow this requirement.
We are a small school and when you have around 80 athletes both boys and girls, its tough when kids only play 1 sport.
Maybe not letting a kid play football because they only want to play football is a bit harse.. but what about other stipulations to hold them to playing more than just 1 sport?
Just want some thoughts on this.
Could it end up hurting more than helping?
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Post by coachdjenkins on Apr 26, 2009 19:08:36 GMT -6
What happens when a kid does not give the effort in the sport he feels he is being forced to participate in.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 26, 2009 19:35:39 GMT -6
Reward Multiple Letter winners with something special?
As long as the COACHES in the building are sincerely trying to push the concept of 2 sport athletes, or at the very least 100% receptive to it, with 0% chance of them influencing a kid to concentrate on their sport, that is all that really matters. The kids will find their fits.
Small school trouble begins when one coach starts to herd all the cattle in one pen.
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Post by khalfie on Apr 26, 2009 19:42:37 GMT -6
Um...
You don't want a kid... that doesn't want to be there...
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Post by los on Apr 26, 2009 20:01:43 GMT -6
What other sports are available Airraider? What's the purpose of this anyhow.....just to keep them busy doing something year round?
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Post by phantom on Apr 26, 2009 20:06:44 GMT -6
Playing a sport requires a lot of sacrifice. Why force a kid to make that sacrifice for a sport he doesn't really want to play? Why force parents to sacrifice time and inconvenience for something a kid doesn't really love?
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Post by coachguy83 on Apr 26, 2009 20:31:14 GMT -6
I think the best way to accomplish the goal of getting more kids to go for multiple sports without forcing them is as a football coach require your players to either go out for other sports or be in the weight room. The football program and the other sports will all benefit from this idea.
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Post by phantom on Apr 26, 2009 20:44:52 GMT -6
I think the best way to accomplish the goal of getting more kids to go for multiple sports without forcing them is as a football coach require your players to either go out for other sports or be in the weight room. The football program and the other sports will all benefit from this idea. Who doesn't do that now if they're legally allowed to require the weight room in their state? |
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Post by coachguy83 on Apr 26, 2009 21:07:46 GMT -6
You would be surprised at some of the small schools. All the way through high school they only opened up the weight room in the summer and even then most of the guys didn't show up.
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Post by smd on Apr 27, 2009 5:54:24 GMT -6
know a coach who did this same thing... HC in baseball and assistant football, told his players that they had to play another sport if they wanted to play baseball. It was either football or cross country. He perferred them to play football, but at least they were competing in something instead of sitting around until baseball season. It worked great for him.
Coachd is correct, better have every coach on board or just peeing in the wind. Good luck.
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Post by seagull73 on Apr 27, 2009 6:55:54 GMT -6
I coached at a school that didn't have PE class (private boarding school) but required all students to participate in 2 sports. I coached lacrosse at the school and it was a big problem. I had a bunch of kids playing just to satisfy their PE requirement. They did the equivalent of "C" work.
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Post by CoachDaniel on Apr 27, 2009 8:07:39 GMT -6
Lots of what-if's here. Ever have to send a kid on his way because he's morbidly obese and you're afraid you might kill him in summer practice? Or what if he fails his physical? And then you've got all these kids just hanging around to be around. Your practice turns into a PE Class. "Nah Coach, I'm not dressing out today."
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Post by warrior53 on Apr 27, 2009 8:53:03 GMT -6
I don't even know that you could legally do this. I think if a parent wanted to fight this, you wouldn't have much to stand on. I understand your dilema, but I don't think forcing them is the answer.
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Post by phantom on Apr 27, 2009 9:14:43 GMT -6
There use to be a few schools around here where it was a graduation requirement for kids to have to participate in...I believe it was 2 athletic extra curriculars, which included band and cheerleading. But those were small schools. That's how when you looked at their program at the state football finals, it showed 79 boys in grades 9-12 in their HS...and low and behold...79 boys on their football roster. Maybe I'm misunderstanding this. The way that Airraider described it I took it to mean that in any school year if you want to play football then you'll later have to play b-ball, track, etc.. The way you describe it it sounds like to graduate you need to have played two seasons of a sport. Which, if either, was correct? Are these public schools? Are there fees involved in playing sports? |
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Post by fatkicker on Apr 27, 2009 9:25:43 GMT -6
i've seen many coaches make their footballers run track........
also, some state associations don't allow after school practices for out of season sports.....some coaches sign 'em up for track so they can have "in-season" weights after school.....
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Post by dustinwmills on Apr 27, 2009 9:48:04 GMT -6
I see what everyone here is saying about two sports...while I agree that you should get as many athletes as possbile to participate in the maximum amount of sports, sometimes it is tough. I remember my junior and senior years of HS, I played football in the fall. However, while I had played baseball and basketball in previous years, I was forced to get a job. Consequently, I could not play winter and spring sports. By working winter and spring, I could free up my fall to play football, my passion.
So not really an answer, but more of an anecdote. Just some input...while I think making atheletes play 2 sports is great, it may hurt you overall.
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Apr 27, 2009 10:06:01 GMT -6
If it is a forced intramural that doesn't net the kid some credits then I disagree with it.
If lettering in a sport could take the place of a PE credit than I'm all about it.
As a matter of fact I'd like to see 2 seasons of lettering in a sport be = to an PE credit...therefore an athlete could letter four seasons to take the place of his/her 2 PE credits.
This would leave the door open for PE classes to get away from the more competitive games (like basketball/flag football/tennis/soccer etc) and teach fitness/lifeskill games (aka picinic games) that the real lazy kids are more likely to play.
We currently hold a 2 week "Picnic Game" Unit in my middle school PE classes aimed at getting everyone participating- when the weather breaks, we get outside and play Frisbee games, Bocce, Bean Bags (aka Corn-Hole), Ladderball, Bowling variations, and others. You'd be surprised how much the kids love this unit while getting some good coordination work in...
And we always have near 100% participation for that unit. Even the goth-trenchcoat mafia freaks love that stuff
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Post by airraider on Apr 27, 2009 11:05:37 GMT -6
Our male sports will be
Football
Basketball
Baseball
Track
Soccer
Powerlifting
I have heard of football coaches in the pas making their players either run track or powerlift.. this is what we will be doing.. and he suggested that we make it a requirement for all sports..
I am not sure how well that will work.. so I wanted the feedback..
We will do ours during 4th block.. and it will be "football conditioning" but you will either have to go the track meets or powerlifting meets.
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Post by casec11 on Apr 27, 2009 12:43:23 GMT -6
What about the kids that don't play a sport... are they forced to play two sports also?
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Post by airman on Apr 27, 2009 14:00:53 GMT -6
I was at a school where to be athlete of the year you had to play 3 sports. one year had this girl not went out for track she would not have been athlete of the year and she was the schools best athlete.
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Post by coachcathey on Apr 27, 2009 14:05:10 GMT -6
What if the only way you could letter in any sport was to include the condition that you must participate in two separate sports in addition to regular letter requirements??
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Post by phantom on Apr 27, 2009 16:08:06 GMT -6
Phantom - Public schools No fee to play kids do not have to play the same sport both times there are some kids with medical conditions that prevent them from "participating" but I think they are either excused or are managers. - these schools do not have soccer either. and I know at least 1 of them if not all of them have an athletic period where the kids lift during their school day. It's like a school wide weight lifting class. Which IMO is a lot more beneficial than mat ball. I suppose someone could fight it, but my money says if someone does fight it, they won't be in the community long. Again we are talking small school, graduate from here never leave here type of communities. There have been years where three teams from that league were playing in the state football finals and 2 of them won. I'd have to research it but I can't remember the last time at least one team in their league didn't win a state title in football and usually there is someone in there playing for the basketball and baseball titles too. Athletics are a pretty high priority in the MAC conference here in Ohio. Ask anyone from Ohio about: St. Henry Coldwater Delphos St. Johns Versailles Marion Local New Knoxville ...and the rest. For those schools the movie "friday night lights" is pretty accurate. OK. I like it. |
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Post by phantom on Apr 27, 2009 16:15:37 GMT -6
Our male sports will be Football Basketball Baseball Track Soccer Powerlifting I have heard of football coaches in the pas making their players either run track or powerlift.. this is what we will be doing.. and he suggested that we make it a requirement for all sports.. I am not sure how well that will work.. so I wanted the feedback.. We will do ours during 4th block.. and it will be "football conditioning" but you will either have to go the track meets or powerlifting meets. How do you enforce that? Do you cut talented football player who maybe have to work or just don't like other sports? |
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Post by airraider on Apr 27, 2009 18:02:58 GMT -6
Our male sports will be Football Basketball Baseball Track Soccer Powerlifting I have heard of football coaches in the pas making their players either run track or powerlift.. this is what we will be doing.. and he suggested that we make it a requirement for all sports.. I am not sure how well that will work.. so I wanted the feedback.. We will do ours during 4th block.. and it will be "football conditioning" but you will either have to go the track meets or powerlifting meets. How do you enforce that? Do you cut talented football player who maybe have to work or just don't like other sports? Not, sure.. hoping someone could kick me in the butt one way or the other. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 27, 2009 18:07:02 GMT -6
Just make sure the coaches are pushing a multi-sport agenda. As long as they aren't hoarding players, you will have the best possible situation. "Forcing" a kid to play a sport can't yield positive long term results.
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Post by coachriley on Apr 27, 2009 18:20:43 GMT -6
Where I went to HS at, football athletes were not forced, but "strongly encouraged" to participate in other sports. We sometimes did not have to do as much conditioning or lifting in the football class because the head coach knew that the head track coach (which was also one of our assistant football coaches) would make sure that we got our workouts in. I wanted to do sports anyways, so maybe im not the best one to talk to, but the incentive of us being in better shape and not having as much to do in football class was a good motivator.
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Post by fbdoc on Apr 27, 2009 19:11:10 GMT -6
Rather than force/mandate/legislate multi-sport participation at a small school, you simply need to have the Football, Basketball, and Baseball coaches on the same page. When Johnnie Jumpshot or Billy Baseball asks their coach "What can I do to become a better basketball (or baseball) player..." the answer from each coach had better be an instant "Play Football." That is the only way you will be able to maximize multi-sport participation. And the football coach had better be doing the same thing instead of telling kids to NOT play basketball but instead spend their winter and spring in the weight room.
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Post by los on Apr 27, 2009 19:18:25 GMT -6
What....no Golf, Airraider?.......d@mn......that sucks  ......Football and Golf are the perfect combination......like salt and pepper.....peas and carrots......I'm really not kidding either  ....no better sport to learn = focus.....aiming points.....perfecting technique......personal accountability(can't blame anyone else for your screwups)......like coachD said in another thread - learning to play with intensity,while keeping your emotions under control = very important in golf and football.....plus its a nice physical workout, when you have to carry your own bag thru 18 holes, a few times a week. A great sport for developing "mental" discipline.  |
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Post by CoachDaniel on Apr 28, 2009 8:21:02 GMT -6
What....no Golf, Airraider?.......d@mn......that sucks ......Football and Golf are the perfect combination......like salt and pepper.....peas and carrots......I'm really not kidding either ....no better sport to learn = focus.....aiming points.....perfecting technique......personal accountability(can't blame anyone else for your screwups)......like coachD said in another thread - learning to play with intensity,while keeping your emotions under control = very important in golf and football.....plus its a nice physical workout, when you have to carry your own bag thru 18 holes, a few times a week. A great sport for developing "mental" discipline. If we could change a few words in here, add some letters behind your name, and forward this to our administration, that would be great. I'm thinking, ""No better sport to learn to be a good teacher, than golf..." |
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Post by brimanning on Apr 28, 2009 13:19:13 GMT -6
What happens when a kid does not give the effort in the sport he feels he is being forced to participate in. All in all, the idea of having and encouraging two sport athletes is great, but a forced policy is totally different... |
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......Football and Golf are the perfect combination......like salt and pepper.....peas and carrots......I'm really not kidding either 
....no better sport to learn = focus.....aiming points.....perfecting technique......personal accountability(can't blame anyone else for your screwups)......like coachD said in another thread - learning to play with intensity,while keeping your emotions under control = very important in golf and football.....plus its a nice physical workout, when you have to carry your own bag thru 18 holes, a few times a week. A great sport for developing "mental" discipline. 
