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Post by Coach JR on Apr 11, 2009 15:33:19 GMT -6
Other than QB, what position is the toughest to find the right man consistently? I know it's said you can "make a QB" but I think most coaches would surely rather have a kid that has the raw tools that you merely shape and hone.
So, QB aside, which position on the field is the toughest for you to fill, year in and year out, with a guy that has all or most of what you're looking for with regard to raw talent physically, and mentally?
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Post by coachbw on Apr 11, 2009 16:41:20 GMT -6
FB & TE. Those guys have to have the ability to do almost everything you can ask a kid to do. I think having trouble finding large framed, athletic kids is part of the reason that we are seeing so much spread right now. It seems like we all have 15 receivers on our roster, it can be hard to find 1 true FB or TE type.
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Post by kylem56 on Apr 11, 2009 16:45:03 GMT -6
From my experience, a great center is always hard to replace. The best of them are smart enough to recognize fronts and make calls, be able to snap and step without screw ups, and are consistent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2009 16:52:32 GMT -6
From my experience, a great center is always hard to replace. The best of them are smart enough to recognize fronts and make calls, be able to snap and step without screw ups, and are consistent. Ditto especially if you run shotgun type offenses |
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 11, 2009 17:37:57 GMT -6
I would say a "playmaker" linebacker. By "playmaker" I am talking about the LB you protect, such as the LB stacked behind the 3 tech in the Eagle/under defense or whatever LB you find most important in your scheme.
He is the guy whose instinctual abilities are hard to replace. He knows when to go under a block and press a gap, or when to crossface and string. He sniffs out the playaction a step before the keys show it. He is always under control..in balance..sliding off of blocks with little effort. The guy who doesn't play LB by "the numbers" (ie 1. six inch read step, 2. ..blah blah..3..blah blah...or whatever your LB teaching progression is)
Those offensive guys are easy to replace. How freaking hard is it to say "hey, the endzone is that way..go"
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Post by airraider on Apr 11, 2009 17:47:18 GMT -6
Coaches
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Post by jgordon1 on Apr 11, 2009 17:47:51 GMT -6
Please don't laugh..but IMO the toughest position to fill is a quality, dedicated asst coach. They are hard to come by and we even pay them
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 11, 2009 17:51:46 GMT -6
Please don't laugh..but IMO the toughest position to fill is a quality, dedicated asst coach. They are hard to come by and we even pay them I agree. But since the intent of the thread is about players I will say dominant linebacker type kid who makes plays despite being blocked. |
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Post by shortpunter on Apr 11, 2009 18:19:41 GMT -6
center-nothing starts without him
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Post by schultbear74 on Apr 11, 2009 18:59:31 GMT -6
We went to the finals this year without a single LB who was up to the job. I think that cost us a bit. I think that you have to have at least one cover corner.
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Post by jgordon1 on Apr 11, 2009 19:51:54 GMT -6
frickin raider look at my post time....now you made me look like an idiot
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Post by fbdoc on Apr 11, 2009 20:23:19 GMT -6
The LB/FS who not only hits & tackles but also inspires the rest of the defense to do the same. Someone who makes his teammates better.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2009 20:48:35 GMT -6
Please don't laugh..but IMO the toughest position to fill is a quality, dedicated asst coach. They are hard to come by and we even pay them No you are spot on , I was going to say the same but I thought the post only pertianed to Players...Sorry...brainfart |
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Post by fbdoc on Apr 11, 2009 20:52:35 GMT -6
groundchuck and coachkell - you're BOTH right. A fairly successful coach once said, "One good coach is worth three good players." I assume he was alluding to the coach being able to develop those players.
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Post by tog on Apr 11, 2009 21:07:36 GMT -6
force players that can also cover
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Post by airraider on Apr 11, 2009 21:09:42 GMT -6
frickin raider look at my post time....now you made me look like an idiot haha... great minds.. great minds.. |
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Post by footballguru99 on Apr 11, 2009 21:34:20 GMT -6
A great Coordinator that the kids beleive in!!!
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Post by reignman03 on Apr 11, 2009 21:46:17 GMT -6
Inside Linebacker - he is the QB of the defense
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Post by endersgame on Apr 11, 2009 22:17:14 GMT -6
Inside Linebacker - he is the QB of the defense Disagree here- I think that would be one of the safeties. |
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Post by Coach JR on Apr 11, 2009 23:23:02 GMT -6
Interesting replies all...keep 'em coming!
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Post by begreat on Apr 12, 2009 0:26:30 GMT -6
When I first saw the title I was going to say, a solid OLINE coach but now I guess i'll say a solid center or LT.
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Post by tog on Apr 12, 2009 0:36:10 GMT -6
begreat
for coaches
to me it would be a secondary coach that really understands it and can teach it
but
that is me as an ol guy
i can always teach another ol guy to do it the way i want
and if they won't/can't do it
then damnit
i will
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Post by coachriley on Apr 12, 2009 2:51:49 GMT -6
I have to also say replacing our mike backer. He is the leader of our defense and its always hard finding a kid who is smart enough and aggressive enough to play the position the way we want it played.
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Post by wingt74 on Apr 12, 2009 6:13:48 GMT -6
wow, surprised by a lot of these.
For me, it's DE. I can win with big and small OLines, big and small DTs/NTs...Average DBs/skill positions.
But if I don;t have a tall, athletic, strong DE, my defense struggles
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Post by touchdownmaker on Apr 12, 2009 6:32:54 GMT -6
I think on offense , a truly dominating fullback is tough to find. kid whos big and bad, runs over ends and backers, can block, run and catch well and is smart enough to pick up blitzes and adjust his lead paths based on bubbles in the defense. usually the kids who have matured early and are big bruisers arent always the most scholarly of kids.
on defense a free safety that is smart and gets all the "who covers who" stuff but also has the athleticism to run hard to the ball and make big plays in the alley or also react well to the qb and ball in the air, yeah, thats a rare athlete.
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Post by td4tc on Apr 12, 2009 7:44:50 GMT -6
a nice easter present for me would be a good kicker/punter.they are tough to find around our place.happy easter.
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 12, 2009 7:44:55 GMT -6
I agree with Tog too. We lost a very good DBs coach this off season. The guy could truely coach defensive backs. Replacing him will be tough. Either I am going to have to do it, which means I have to study hard and practice technique this summer or make sure our new hire can fill his shoes.
I played OL and LB. I feel very comfortable coaching every position on the field except DBs.
I also agree with war-daddy FB. Shoot guys every position is tough to fill if you want a stud there.
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Post by bigm0073 on Apr 12, 2009 7:46:38 GMT -6
I agree with TD Maker... In our offesne the Fullback type has to
1. RUn
2. Block
3. Catch
4. Be smart (We move him a lot - formations)
5. Run routes -
These guys who for the most past are usually around 205 lbs (Light) - 225 lbs. They also have to be physical and NASTY. Tough to find and also tough to find depth there as well...
Defense - Good tough, fast, smart Midd linebacker. I am a big fan of speed at this position. At my old school we had this African kid who was under 200 lbs but ran in the 4.5 - 4.6 range. Speed can make up for a lot of issues. He was 2nd team all state and now is on scholarship at a really good D-II program. Now he is 220 lbs and jacked. Wish he was that big for me ;D
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Post by coachcb on Apr 12, 2009 8:00:51 GMT -6
I have a hard time finding safeties in our defensive scheme. We ask our safeties to do a lot; play various deep and under zones, man-up, pattern reading, blitzing... All on top of getting off of blocks and tackling.
It is a lot, but there's reason behind our madness; the secondary play is complicated so that the LB play can remain as simple as possible. We make the secondary think more, so that the LB corp can just run and maul people.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Apr 12, 2009 11:50:33 GMT -6
Whats pretty obvious to me is that it really depends on what you do in your schemes. Offensively our center position is the easiest position to fill and on defense the 7 tech spot can be difficult. (but hasnt been fortunately for us).
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