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Post by jackedup on Apr 10, 2009 21:27:04 GMT -6
I'm not sure if there is already a thread about the TV show Friday Night Lights but if not...
the season finale was tonight and they removed the HC for someone else backed by money but they offered him the HC at a old school reopening in the district.
My question is For those who coach in Texas, is this realistic? Do you find your job in jeopardy every year?
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Post by catoc on Apr 10, 2009 21:43:28 GMT -6
Yes, that is always a possibility. Most HC are on a 2 year contract. Money can make a lot of things happen. Schools can pay off the contract at any time. As far as being moved to another school- that is a stretch. Unless of course money is involved.
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Post by fbdoc on Apr 11, 2009 11:30:41 GMT -6
Most coaching contracts are for one year and private school teachers and coaches are one year contracts. You need to know who (or what, but usually WHO) controls whether or not you get renewed.
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Post by cmow5 on Apr 11, 2009 13:39:36 GMT -6
I just hope enough people watched it so they don't cancel it. I love that show. ;D
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 11, 2009 14:24:15 GMT -6
I just hope enough people watched it so they don't cancel it. I love that show. ;D Really?? I have absolutely despised almost every single football related production made. They are so far from the truth with regards to day to day football operations...and yet the people watching think they are getting real insight (which invariable makes our careers as coaches tougher) I think my biggest pet peeve is that they ALL seem to show that the head coach is the only coach..that he runs all phases of the game.and that assistant coaches are pretty much non existent. (Best example, Varsity blues..in which the HC quits at halftime. Naturally he is replaced by an INJURED PLAYER...who leads the team to a victory.) I think the most realistic on camera portrayal of a coach is probably the brief scene from Dazed and Confused. Young coaches in high socks and Bike Coaching shorts fraternizing a bit with the players while the grizzled HC barks at them. Other than that...I have no real liking for the profession on TV/MOVIE
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Post by coachorr on Apr 11, 2009 14:49:43 GMT -6
When someone lists "Varsity Blues" on their all time favorites list, I cringe.
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Post by 44dlcoach on Apr 11, 2009 15:22:05 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure there's a scene in "Any Given Sunday" where a touchdown is scored and the team's score goes up by 7 with no extra point. I guess there were no football fans on the set of that movie.
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 11, 2009 15:30:25 GMT -6
For a while I would watch FNL hoping to see more than five minutes total of football action. Then I gave up. I will admit occationally I tune in but I don't make it a point.
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Post by morris on Apr 11, 2009 15:37:12 GMT -6
There are something about Friday Night Lights that is a big stretch. there are somethings not to like but such as
HS players and kids drinking all the time (including at bars)
Some unrealistic outcome of games/plays
For me though there are some things to love about the show and touch on things that most have no clue about. The relantionship between the coach and is wife is great. It does a good job of showing how much time is spent away from the family and how much a coach's wife has to help out.
How the coach relates to his players.
the pressure from the community and boosters about who to play and other things
The show is more about people in an area where football is very important than about football. On the subject of football movies, from what I remember the coach in All the Right Moves was not a bad depiction of HS football years ago.
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 11, 2009 15:53:24 GMT -6
There are something about Friday Night Lights that is a big stretch. there are somethings not to like but such as HS players and kids drinking all the time (including at bars) Some unrealistic outcome of games/plays For me though there are some things to love about the show and touch on things that most have no clue about. The relantionship between the coach and is wife is great. It does a good job of showing how much time is spent away from the family and how much a coach's wife has to help out. How the coach relates to his players. the pressure from the community and boosters about who to play and other things The show is more about people in an area where football is very important than about football. On the subject of football movies, from what I remember the coach in All the Right Moves was not a bad depiction of HS football years ago. This is a good assessment. I guess the problem with it is that I actually am knowledgeable about the stuff they screw up. I suppose real life criminal investigators cringe at CSI (actually, i have read where the shows are making it more difficult to get convictions, because juries expect CSI type evidence), lawyers scoff at LA Law or Boston Legal, and Doctors shake their head at Grey's anatomy and ER.
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Post by coach4life on Apr 11, 2009 15:56:33 GMT -6
I'm pretty sure there's a scene in "Any Given Sunday" where a touchdown is scored and the team's score goes up by 7 with no extra point. I guess there were no football fans on the set of that movie. Yeah, but the inch by inch speech was pretty good: I don’t know what to say, really. Three minutes till the biggest battle of our professional lives all comes down to today. Now either we heal as a team or we’re gonna crumble, inch by inch, play by play, 'til we’re finished.
We’re in hell right now, gentlemen, believe me. And, we can stay here -- get the {censored} kicked out of us -- or we can fight our way back into the light. We can climb outta hell one inch at a time.
Now, I can’t do it for you. I’m too old. I look around. I see these young faces, and I think -- I mean -- I made every wrong choice a middle-aged man can make. I, uh, I pissed away all my money, believe it or not. I chased off anyone who’s ever loved me. And lately, I can’t even stand the face I see in the mirror.
You know, when you get old in life things get taken from you. I mean that's...part of life. But, you only learn that when you start losing stuff. You find out life’s this game of inches. So is football. Because in either game, life or football, the margin for error is so small -- I mean one-half a step too late, or too early, and you don’t quite make it. One-half second too slow, too fast, you don’t quite catch it.
The inches we need are everywhere around us.
They’re in every break of the game, every minute, every second.
On this team, we fight for that inch. On this team, we tear ourselves and everyone else around us to pieces for that inch. We claw with our fingernails for that inch, because we know when we add up all those inches that’s gonna make the {censored} difference between winning and losing! Between livin' and dyin'!
I’ll tell you this: In any fight, it’s the guy who’s willing to die who’s gonna win that inch. And I know if I’m gonna have any life anymore, it’s because I’m still willin' to fight and die for that inch. Because that’s what livin' is! The six inches in front of your face!!
Now I can’t make you do it. You got to look at the guy next to you. Look into his eyes! Now I think you’re gonna see a guy who will go that inch with you. You're gonna see a guy who will sacrifice himself for this team because he knows, when it comes down to it, you’re gonna do the same for him!
That’s a team, gentleman!
And, either we heal, now, as a team, or we will die as individuals.
That’s football guys.
That's all it is.
Now, what are you gonna do?
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Post by morris on Apr 11, 2009 16:03:39 GMT -6
Off topic but this is great speach
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Post by cmow5 on Apr 11, 2009 20:28:51 GMT -6
How the coach relates to his players I agree with this. he always seems to know exactly what to say or do at exactly the right time. is it realistic? no, but I enjoy it. I also think scrubs is one of the funniest shows ever made, but I am almost positive hospitals are not really like that. to be honest if it has anything to do with football I will watch it. if they say the word football I will watch it. I started to watch the show reba because that kid joined a AFL team. I think the whiskey and coke gave me the courage to admit that one........ ;D
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Post by fbdoc on Apr 11, 2009 20:37:11 GMT -6
The "Inch Speech" by Al Pacino is far better than anything on FNL. Great post
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Post by shortpunter on Apr 13, 2009 5:46:43 GMT -6
I love this show. Sure there is unrealistic things like Riggs always partying and missing practice and still starting but compared to the movie this show is a lot better. Matt has a true heart and loves his Grandma more than his life, where do you find that today? Good TV
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Post by coachorr on Apr 13, 2009 5:55:12 GMT -6
Good one morris. Life is full of beatings.
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Post by revtaz on Apr 13, 2009 5:59:29 GMT -6
I love this show. Sure there is unrealistic things like Riggs always partying and missing practice and still starting but compared to the movie this show is a lot better. Matt has a true heart and loves his Grandma more than his life, where do you find that today? Good TVExactly. It is good television. Do you think people really want to see the coaches spending countless hours going over film and typinf up gameplans? I don't, and I do that all the time. My mom likes FNL because it is about the people that surround football. I don't like it because I live that every fall. Taz
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Post by coachd5085 on Apr 13, 2009 7:44:49 GMT -6
Not disagreeing that the plot lines make for good drama. My contention is that coaching (along with officiating and being President of the U.S) is one of the 3 jobs that so many of the general populous thinks they can do a better job performing than those who sacrifice time and effort to do so.
The on screen portrayal of coaching and football programs do not help this endeavor, specifically that assistant coaches are relatively unskilled and meaningless dolts, that football is binary in nature (if that play was unsuccessful, than surely a different play WOULD have worked), and that successful coaching is truly nothing more than calling the unstoppable creative/inventive play.
For example, I watched the particular episode mentioned on hulu.com In the power play circumstances shown, you can be damned sure that the asst. coaches would all be jobless as well. This subject was never broached.
These shows really help foster the bleacher creature mindset that all would have been well if you would just run the spread offense...or play the Stack 2 monster defense...or played Johnny at QB instead of WR. I guess it just chaps my ass a little that nobody ever tells their doc they need to get a cbc,chem lab and a chest tube when their child is in the ER because they watched ER for years. Nobody quotes legal precedents they see on Boston Legal to their attorneys when their child does something stupid and is in some legal problems.
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Post by ystick2 on Apr 13, 2009 12:22:30 GMT -6
Heck coach, they only have an hour 8)
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Post by bigdog2003 on Apr 13, 2009 14:29:52 GMT -6
I just hope enough people watched it so they don't cancel it. I love that show. ;D Really?? I have absolutely despised almost every single football related production made. They are so far from the truth with regards to day to day football operations...and yet the people watching think they are getting real insight (which invariable makes our careers as coaches tougher) I think my biggest pet peeve is that they ALL seem to show that the head coach is the only coach..that he runs all phases of the game.and that assistant coaches are pretty much non existent. (Best example, Varsity blues..in which the HC quits at halftime. Naturally he is replaced by an INJURED PLAYER...who leads the team to a victory.) I think the most realistic on camera portrayal of a coach is probably the brief scene from Dazed and Confused. Young coaches in high socks and Bike Coaching shorts fraternizing a bit with the players while the grizzled HC barks at them. Other than that...I have no real liking for the profession on TV/MOVIE I have Varsity Blues on DVD, and I always laugh at that part. The first time I saw it I was like where are the other coaches? A guy I work with thinks that the movie is a true story,
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Post by coachjoe3 on Apr 13, 2009 18:19:30 GMT -6
I just hope enough people watched it so they don't cancel it. I love that show. ;D Really?? I have absolutely despised almost every single football related production made. Agreed, and the reason for me is that I try to watch it and can't get away from being a coach. For example, I tried to watch Friday Night Lights (TV Show) and they were showing a practice montage of the QBs throwing to recs. I wanted to check out their throwing motion (I guess to see if they had real Qbs in the scene or just actors) and they kept cutting away just before the release point and jumped back in with the follow through motion at a different angle (sorry if I'm not getting the terms right, former lineman . . .) They would never let you see the release itself and it drove me nuts. I guess that answers my question about real QBs in the scene. On a different note, I want to love Pacino's Inches speech, but I can't get past the guy spazzing out with bug eyes at the end of it. Sorry, I'm kind of a downer today!
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Post by indian1 on Apr 13, 2009 18:48:57 GMT -6
This show sucks.
If I had to choose between FNL and watching frogs mate, I'd watch the frogs mate even if the picture was fuzzy.
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Post by videocoach on Apr 14, 2009 10:15:11 GMT -6
cmow5 - what I have read so far is that it is planning on being shown on Direct TV again for next season and don't know if it will be carried over to NBC.
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Post by kcbazooka on Apr 14, 2009 10:41:37 GMT -6
These two are my favorite movie quotes! (not sure how much is going to get bleeped out, though)
Cut it out! Cut it out! Cut it out! The hell's the matter with you? Stupid! We're all very different people. We're not Watusi. We're not Spartans. We're Americans, with a capital 'A', huh? You know what that means? Do ya? That means that our forefathers were kicked out of every decent country in the world. We are the wretched refuse. We're the underdog. We're mutts! Here's proof: his nose is cold! But there's no animal that's more faithful, that's more loyal, more loveable than the mutt. Who saw "Old Yeller?" Who cried when Old Yeller got shot at the end? [raises his hand] John Winger: *sarcastically* Nobody cried when Old Yeller got shot? I'm sure. [hands are reluctantly raised] John Winger: I cried my eyes out. So we're all dogfaces, we're all very, very different, but there is one thing that we all have in common: we were all stupid enough to enlist in the Army. We're mutants. There's something wrong with us, something very, very wrong with us. Something seriously wrong with us - we're soldiers. But we're American soldiers! We've been kicking ass for 200 years! We're 10 and 1! Now we don't have to worry about whether or not we practiced. We don't have to worry about whether Captain Stillman wants to have us hung. All we have to do is to be the great American fighting soldier that is inside each one of us. Now do what I do, and say what I say. And make me proud.
D-Day: War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one. Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no! Otter: Germans? Boon: Forget it, he's rolling. Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough... [thinks hard] Bluto: the tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go! [runs out, alone; then returns] Bluto: What the {censored} happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives, but you're gonna let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my ass from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer... Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these bastards. Now we could do it with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No, I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part. Bluto: We're just the guys to do it. D-Day: Let's do it. Bluto: *Let’s do it*!
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Post by docbrown on Apr 15, 2009 10:42:37 GMT -6
The movies based on true stories (Remember the Titans, We are Marshall, Rudy) are the only good ones. That and The Longest Yard.
cmow5, in reference to your scrubs comment, I have a friend that is a doctor and said Scrubs is actually the most realistic doctor show he's ever seen on TV, even as far the characters and relationships between them.
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Post by casec11 on Apr 15, 2009 11:19:14 GMT -6
I hope the show comes back... I think its one of the best on television. Yes the football stuff is off to say the least but as mentioned above its about the people who surround the program. The best part about it is the HC and his family and his interactions with the players. It shows a coach who cares about his players and tries do do the right things. It also shows the nasty side of the boosters .
If they didn't add drama and it was all about coaching football, my wife certainly would not watch it with me.... something we both enjoy
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Post by darebelcoach on Apr 15, 2009 11:29:28 GMT -6
The book "Friday Night Lights" was one of my favorite reads!!!
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Post by groundchuck on Apr 15, 2009 12:07:33 GMT -6
The movies based on true stories (Remember the Titans, We are Marshall, Rudy) are the only good ones. That and The Longest Yard. cmow5, in reference to your scrubs comment, [glow=red,2,300]I have a friend that is a doctor and said Scrubs is actually the most realistic doctor show he's ever seen on TV, even as far the characters and relationships between them. [/glow] I have heard that from doctors too. Kind of scary.
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Post by fbdoc on Apr 15, 2009 12:36:53 GMT -6
I hope you're referring to the "original" Longest Yard.
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Post by dgodlien on Apr 15, 2009 12:53:02 GMT -6
The show has been renewed for two more years at thirteen episodes per year on Directv and NBC.
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