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Post by dubber on Apr 7, 2009 12:34:16 GMT -6
because can you really get enough of him?
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Post by airman on Apr 7, 2009 14:40:57 GMT -6
you just have to love mike leach. I like the fact he is so different.
I wonder if Mike Leach would use the A 11 if it were legal in college?
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Post by zbessac on Apr 7, 2009 15:36:09 GMT -6
I think it would be fun to sit next to Mike Leach in a bar and listen to him mumble about whatever it is he mumbles about!
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Post by stylee on Apr 7, 2009 15:50:29 GMT -6
you just have to love mike leach. I like the fact he is so different. I wonder if Mike Leach would use the A 11 if it were legal in college? "I mean, the reason they have football is becuase of the big guys..." So, possibly a "no", but I wouldn't want to speak for him.
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Post by John Knight on Apr 7, 2009 17:26:23 GMT -6
My friend Terry Bowden went to work(call the game for Westwood One) the TT bowl game and stayed for a week. He picked Leach's Brain them took a div II job with hopes of winning a national championship and returning to the big time! www.roarlions.com/Lion_Sports/Football/index.html
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Post by jackedup on Apr 7, 2009 17:26:43 GMT -6
Regardless what we might all think about his offense, to spend 3 minutes explaining a play that takes 2 seconds to run is just awesome! It shows that you have to know football in order to play football. Vince Young could never have had played for him... too much thinking involved.
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Post by shields on Apr 8, 2009 5:47:33 GMT -6
At the AFCA convention, my HC was listening to one of the speakers discuss QB play and the guy next to him was mumbling something about how kids a Qb cannot do that (whatever the speaker was talking about). My HC turned to agree with the gentleman next him and low and behold...IT WAS MIKE LEACH!!! AWESOME!!! He nearly passed out.
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Post by red2slam on Apr 8, 2009 6:48:35 GMT -6
speaking of air raid, anybody ever actually look at the early version, or for that matter any version of the Bill walsh era 49ers playbooks?
Looks an awful lot like the the "air raid" of now. Just under center.
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Post by warrior53 on Apr 8, 2009 7:22:02 GMT -6
My friend Terry Bowden went to work(call the game for Westwood One) the TT bowl game and stayed for a week. He picked Leach's Brain them took a div II job with hopes of winning a national championship and returning to the big time! www.roarlions.com/Lion_Sports/Football/index.htmlI didn't know Terry Bowden was back at it - I always thought he did a great job!
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Post by spreadattack on Apr 8, 2009 9:01:47 GMT -6
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Post by videocoach on Apr 9, 2009 11:43:38 GMT -6
I'm curious. What has made Mike Leach more successful as a coach than Hal Mumme, who he worked for a Iowa Wesleyan, Valdosta State, Kentucky.
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Post by spreadattack on Apr 9, 2009 12:05:56 GMT -6
I wonder the same thing. The two were inseparable for a long time. Leach has done a remarkable job. (Also look at what Chris Hatcher, former player under Mumme/Leach and co-coach with them, has done at the D-II level.) Hal Mumme has been floundering. It's obviously not just the offense.
I want to write a long article about this, as fair as possible, but my mind hits the shoals rather quickly.
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Post by warrior53 on Apr 9, 2009 12:09:17 GMT -6
New Mexico State was not a good job!!! Not that Tech was/is the greatest either, but it is a much better situation than NMSU - they had horrible facilities and Las Cruces may be worse to recruit to than Tech - no it is definately worse than Lubbock.
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Post by Coach Unk on Apr 9, 2009 18:48:26 GMT -6
Regardless what we might all think about his offense, to spend 3 minutes explaining a play that takes 2 seconds to run is just awesome! It shows that you have to know football in order to play football. Vince Young could never have had played for him... too much thinking involved. tough crowd lol
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Post by spreadattack on Apr 9, 2009 20:19:01 GMT -6
Regardless what we might all think about his offense, to spend 3 minutes explaining a play that takes 2 seconds to run is just awesome! It shows that you have to know football in order to play football. Vince Young could never have had played for him... too much thinking involved. tough crowd lol no kidding. I get that Leach wants a cerebral pocket passer, but Vince Young was a pretty damn good football player in college (and led the nation in passing efficiency his junior year!). I'm all about passing but I would have taken that guy in a heartbeat.
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Post by coachdubyah on Apr 10, 2009 13:31:34 GMT -6
I wonder the same thing. The two were inseparable for a long time. Leach has done a remarkable job. (Also look at what Chris Hatcher, former player under Mumme/Leach and co-coach with them, has done at the D-II level.) Hal Mumme has been floundering. It's obviously not just the offense. I want to write a long article about this, as fair as possible, but my mind hits the shoals rather quickly. I am friends with an OC who runs the same exact system as Leach. Uses exact same terminology and also played for him for 3 years at Tech. I have coached in the Air Raid (Specifically Franklin) for a Year now and since talking with my buddy I have found that Leach's and my buddy's for that matter is much simpler than what Franklin and Mumme do. Leach never moves X and Y. The only 2 receivers he moves are Z and H. He also does not run everything in the Air Raid. He runs (according to my Buddy): Mesh Cross Curl and Shakes Shallow Y Stick Slant Screens (Jail/Missile, TB screens, and Fast) and Run Game. Some games he doesn't even go in with all of that. He keeps it player friendly and extremely simple. I just think that the Franklin stuff is a little too wordy and can get confusing if you're not careful just like any offense can. Just my opinion. Hatcher uses the same terminology as Leach I think. It always seems as if Mumme had some problems more so than just the Offense.
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Post by airman on Apr 10, 2009 13:43:56 GMT -6
no kidding. I get that Leach wants a cerebral pocket passer, but Vince Young was a pretty {censored} good football player in college (and led the nation in passing efficiency his junior year!). I'm all about passing but I would have taken that guy in a heartbeat. Hemlock has talked about vince young before with regard to the air raid. Greg Davis the oc at texas had to make things so simple for VY. VY can only handled A to B reads and then run. He also cannot handle multiple formation. Norman Chow talked about how VY things if you run say shallow cross from one formation and you run the shallow cross from another formation is another play.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Apr 10, 2009 18:23:05 GMT -6
no kidding. I get that Leach wants a cerebral pocket passer, but Vince Young was a pretty {censored} good football player in college (and led the nation in passing efficiency his junior year!). I'm all about passing but I would have taken that guy in a heartbeat. Hemlock has talked about vince young before with regard to the air raid. Greg Davis the oc at texas had to make things so simple for VY. VY can only handled A to B reads and then run. He also cannot handle multiple formation. Norman Chow talked about how VY things if you run say shallow cross from one formation and you run the shallow cross from another formation is another play. Are you serious? Chow actually said that?!? Where was this? I'd love to see that quote. I know that Chow was pretty ticked at Bud Adams for making the Titans draft VY over Matt Leinart just because Bud Adams wanted to send a personal "FU" to the city of Houston, but I didn't know he came out and basically said that VY was retarded. The A to B, then run stuff's not surprising to me. If more QBs could run like VY, that would probably be a lot more common. It makes a lot of sense. I seem to recall Texas running some multiple spread formations when VY was there, and he did just fine in them.
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Post by coacheagle on Apr 11, 2009 9:55:41 GMT -6
Mike Leach is talking at the San Angelo clinic this year! I coach on the defensive side but can't wait to hear him talk/mumble!
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Post by 44dlcoach on Apr 11, 2009 15:00:38 GMT -6
Give me Vince Young as my QB any day of the week. One of the most successful college players of all time.
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Post by jackedup on Apr 11, 2009 19:12:01 GMT -6
I don't disagree with you about VY being one the best college football players of all time. But he would never have been able to play in this offense. He would run almost every down....
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Post by 44dlcoach on Apr 11, 2009 20:23:41 GMT -6
This is why people think air raid guys are full of themselves. Do you honestly think TT would turn Vince Young down because he "couldn't run their offense"?
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Post by Coach JR on Apr 12, 2009 0:21:30 GMT -6
I don't disagree with you about VY being one the best college football players of all time. If you ever saw Bo play, Hershel play, or even Tebow play...there's no way you can say that! Every one of them was as good an athlete, if not better, and Tebow is much "headier".
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Post by coachriley on Apr 12, 2009 2:58:52 GMT -6
As bad as it is to admit that, I saw firsthand the circumstances at NMSU. I wasnt a player, but I am a student here and about to graduate. Firts off, New Mexico doesn't nearly have the types of athletes that Texas does, and Mumme never really worked on trying to recruit any of them anyways. Like it said in the video, Tech may get the "second rate" athletes that Texas and Oklahoma turn down, but those athletes are still much better prepared than the majority of ours here in New Mexico.
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Post by caneman on Apr 12, 2009 9:39:59 GMT -6
LOL, after watching the 60 minutes piece Leach could be Madden's mini me...
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Post by 44dlcoach on Apr 12, 2009 11:06:05 GMT -6
I wasn't trying to turn this into a bash/support Vince Young thread, my point is just that there isn't an offense out there that couldn't use an athlete like that. Any coach would find a place to use on of the most special players in the history of college football.
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Post by jackedup on Apr 12, 2009 11:16:45 GMT -6
Tech would never have turned down VY. They would have made him a RB or WR!
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Post by docbrown on Apr 15, 2009 8:30:58 GMT -6
IMHO the object of football is to win, not to run a system. Vince Young won a national championship with what he did at TX. If you can't win with VY at quarterback (collegiatly), I would say you need to rethink your priorities. I think Leach is a smart enough coach to have made that situation work @ TT.
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Post by thakatalyst on Apr 16, 2009 10:39:34 GMT -6
As bad as it is to admit that, I saw firsthand the circumstances at NMSU. I wasnt a player, but I am a student here and about to graduate. Firts off, New Mexico doesn't nearly have the types of athletes that Texas does, and Mumme never really worked on trying to recruit any of them anyways. Like it said in the video, Tech may get the "second rate" athletes that Texas and Oklahoma turn down, but those athletes are still much better prepared than the majority of ours here in New Mexico. This is the reason why I was ticked off the DeWayne Walker took this job. I was hoping he'd stick around UCLA until a better job opened up. He was a finalist for the San Diego State job. If SDSU could keep San Diego county athletes at home...YIKES!
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