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Post by 19delta on Apr 2, 2009 19:17:21 GMT -6
Is that part of your job (weight room supervision) or something you are doing to improve your program? Why is HE not in the weight room? Is he coaching another sport? Does he have assts? If you are "the weight room guy" mandated by the administration. ...the situation is a bit more complex. If you are simply doing extra, and others are trying to piggy back on YOUR extra effort, seems like an easy battle to fight. I am there, My way or highway. Coaching in the weight room is not technically part of my job in that I don't get paid for it. My assistants and I are in there because we are trying to improve the program. There are no weight room stipends.
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Post by 19delta on Apr 2, 2009 19:22:45 GMT -6
Does he know anything about weight lifting? No. The program his guys do is a joke. Circuit training, lots of pressing, no pulling, quarter squats, leg presses, plenty of talking on cell phones, water and bathroom breaks about every 5 minutes. But again...I really don't care about that. He can have his kids stand on their heads and spit nickels for all I care as long as he is down there watching them. Again...this is ONLY an issue when non-football players want to use the weight room when we are in there and they don't have one of their coaches.
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Post by 19delta on Apr 2, 2009 19:24:34 GMT -6
19Delta, Can you give us a little more information as to the structure of your strength program. Meaning, are you a football coach volunteering his time for his team, or are you getting paid to be the strength coach or monitor. I think this makes a big difference. If your volunteering for your team than obviously you are right on the money. If your being compensated than you might have a larger/broader responsibility to others outside your program. We went to a mandated schoolwide program this spring and I like that concept. Then it's easy to go "My Way or the Highway" type of thing regardless of the student's sport. No. No one gets paid for supervising the weight room.
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Post by schultbear74 on Apr 2, 2009 19:28:12 GMT -6
To approach it from a liability stand point is the way to go with your administration. If the weightroom is there and you are supervising, then it is your way or the highway. You are responsible for all students under your care. The bball coach not only doesn't have a leg to stand on- he is a liability both to the School's athletic program and the school corporation of which he is an employee.
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Post by khalfie on Apr 2, 2009 20:04:28 GMT -6
Bruh... you are dead wrong! D@mn Alpha males... 1. Those aren't your kids... and though you have their best interest at heart... those kids have umpteen other coaches, who also believe they have their best interest at heart... Sure we all know, the football coach is really the only coach that knows the business, but nonetheless, in this community of coaches, with limited student athletes, we all must learn to play together. The reason you were wrong, is not because of your philosophy, but more so, because of your application... 2. What is the weight room policy, Mr. Gonna tell other coaches how to run their off-season program? Is there an "open weight room", similar to an "open gym", where kids can come in and do their thing... or, does there have to be supervision? If its in the code... its in the code... if its not in the code, you need to create an alliance... not an opponent. 3. You're my guy Delta... cause you are not political at all... wouldn't be shocked if you went down and punched dude in the mouth... but that's not the answer... Now that you are HC... you have to get political... Not only must you "coach' up your boys... but you have to "coach up" y0ur coaches... and then "coach up" the other coaches... There's the right thing... And then there's the smart thing... I think you've clearly enumerated the right thing... But the smart thing... is to take over the entire sports program... coach up all of the coaches... get them on your page... and turn not only your program around... but the entire school... Schools with great football programs... are usually strong in other sports... and its not by coincidence. IMHO.
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Post by 19delta on Apr 2, 2009 20:21:04 GMT -6
2. What is the weight room policy, Mr. Gonna tell other coaches how to run their off-season program? Is there an "open weight room", similar to an "open gym", where kids can come in and do their thing... or, does there have to be supervision? Khal - That's the problem...there IS no policy. The weight room is a VERY dangerous place and it is administered in a far too cavilier fashion. And I CLEARLY said, on several occasions, that I don't care what those guys do with their kids as long as they are going to coach 'em. If those coaches are expecting me to run the weight room for them, then it is going to be my way when I'm in there. Zero felixibility on that point. Those guys don't like what I'm doing? Then they need to get in the weight room and coach their guys. Does there have to be supervision? Are you seriously asking that question? Go do a google search on "weight room lawsuits" and then come back and you tell me the answer. 3. You're my guy Delta... cause you are not political at all... wouldn't be shocked if you went down and punched dude in the mouth... but that's not the answer... Now that you are HC... you have to get political... Not only must you "coach' up your boys... but you have to "coach up" y0ur coaches... and then "coach up" the other coaches... There's the right thing... And then there's the smart thing... I think you've clearly enumerated the right thing... But the smart thing... is to take over the entire sports program... coach up all of the coaches... get them on your page... and turn not only your program around... but the entire school... Agreed. But, I'm starting with the football team. If we are successful...if we show improvement and are a better team than they have been the last 10 years...that is how you "take over" the sports program. The wrestling team won a regional title this winter...the wrestling coach has kids coming out of the woodwork now wanting to wrestle. Success is the best salesman. I'm going to coach football right now...not gonna run the basketball, baseball, and track program, too. Schools with great football programs... are usually strong in other sports... and its not by coincidence. IMHO. I started laughing when I saw that you had replied to this thread...without even reading your post, I knew that you were going to take the least popular position. You sir, are the finest contrarian I have ever met. ;D So, when are you gonna get up here and run our defense?
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Post by khalfie on Apr 2, 2009 20:39:47 GMT -6
ha!
I was going to agree... but where's the fun in that?
It was hard finding a counter argument... but I was in the zone.
But here's the deal... if there's no policy... you can't hold the other coaches responsible for not following what isn't written.
Sounds like your first argument is the creation of a weight room policy. Can't argue the safety factor, but the most ignorant of us can argue the lack of policy and even the right to put kids in harms way.
And when I said take over the other programs... I didn't literally mean take over the programs... I meant befriend your other coaches, to create a program culture in which off season work ethic becomes a venue of cross training and collaboration... not a war and competition of which program is more successful.
Make it about how WE all can become more successful. How does your program benefit the b-ball players.... have that conversation... and the lazy slackjaw will acquiesce his kids to you in a minute...
Hey...
I'm not sayin'... I'm just sayin
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Post by shortpunter on Apr 3, 2009 8:08:45 GMT -6
Most HS that are successful in multiple sports have some tupe of strength coordinator who oversees the weight program. If not the coaches must get together if they share athletes. I have run into the other sport coaches sending kids and I just ask them to leave if they don't do our workouts. We got together as coaches a number of years ago and came up with a summer schedule for weightroom coverage which looked good on paper but many times I was called to open it after the coaches didn't feel like coming in or couldn't make it so we ended up running it all summer again.... Needless to say I no longer work there...
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