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Post by otowncoach on Mar 23, 2009 22:13:25 GMT -6
Ok, so I held off on social networking for as long as I could. I would hold long class discussions with my class about how Facebook is evil and an invasion of privacy and probably invented by the CIA to spy on us - but now I am hooked.
What I have found is that it is a great networking tool. I have reconnected with people I went to HS and college with, and even other coaches. It makes it so easy to get in touch with people. Has anyone else taken the plunge yet?
Twitter is my other new addiction. My tweets aren't that interesting but it is fun reading the tweets from other people. I have been thinking about so many ways I could use twitter in my classroom, football team and the school in general. It would be a GREAT public relations tool.
PM me if you want to be one of my followers ;D
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Post by coachorr on Mar 23, 2009 22:24:00 GMT -6
I just got told by my principal that any kind of contact with students in this type of venue could end up in a lawsuit. As there was one that just came out in regard to Myspace. I think it is a great idea to have students and players on twitter or something like it, then it is easy to send people updates.
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Post by cnunley on Mar 24, 2009 5:34:36 GMT -6
I dont know guys....ever see the Commercial of the young girl trying to rip her picture off a wall but it keeps reappearing. Once you post something you NEVER GET IT BACK....(Insert evil laughing noise)
All kidding aside I do like the idea of messages to the team but I just dont know how sold I am on those sites yet.
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Post by splitbacks on Mar 24, 2009 5:54:04 GMT -6
otowncoach, you really need to get a life man, come on you are an adult, you need to act like it and understand that face to face contact and social interaction are vital to developing as a person and forming tighter friend ships. If you want to send messages to the team post a message outside your room or over the PA system, that way they learn a little accountability and responsibility.
lol omg
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Post by gschwender on Mar 24, 2009 6:04:25 GMT -6
my wife and i are teachers and we have a rule that we will not be friends with students until they have graduated
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Post by otowncoach on Mar 24, 2009 7:05:19 GMT -6
I agree guys - I don't allow students to add me on Facebook. That has been a great networking tool - I chatted online with a Division I football coach I am friends with the other night on Facebook.
This is the world the kids are living in though - whether we like it or not. If you can get them thinking about football or school through the technology they are using anyway, I think that is a benefit.
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Post by coachorr on Mar 24, 2009 7:21:04 GMT -6
Schwender, I think most of us were kidding, as otown coach is looking for a way to use technology to make his life easier, I ma not sure he is looking to make friends with kids.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 24, 2009 7:41:49 GMT -6
I used to use Facebook to keep in touch with players, until one of my friends posted a "tagged" picture of me with a beer in my hand. That picture ended up on my profile and all the kids could see it.
I deleted the picture from my profile, but two days later, a couple more pictures from my Sigma Nu days popped up on the profile. Nothing terrible, but there was booze in the pictures and it wasnt something I wanted to deal with. You see; when people post pictures that have you tagged in them, they end up on the your profile so everyone can see them. So, I deleted the kids as my "friends" and called it good.
Moral of the story; these sites are great for networking, but you need to be careful when it comes to the kids.
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Post by brophy on Mar 24, 2009 8:25:06 GMT -6
I think we are all clear on the dangers and liabilities of online networking with regards to our image in the community and kids. I think a discussion more germane to this issue would be online networking that incorporates more instant media (not a linkden) for casual to semi-professional networking. More to the point, peer-to-peer networking for coaches......coaches from across the world keeping informal tabs and bouncing ideas off one another. We probably wouldn't have an issue doing this for political affiliations or music genre 'meet-ups', so why should it be different in our 'profession'? Coach Blow : "Coach Joe, how'd that install of Vertical Trap pass go?" Coach Joe : 2nd day in and no snags....issues with hash alignment, tho. Good luck at team camp next week Comments on Facebook are more twitter-esque and you can share a lot of information in a very central location. Using a less obnoxious site like Facebook to connect / point-of-interaction with other coaches isn't that far removed from what we're doing on THIS site, no?
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Post by otowncoach on Mar 24, 2009 9:44:49 GMT -6
Brophy- You said what I was trying to say only better. It can be just a quicker way of asking quick questions or updating people on what is going on. It is a huge networking opportunity. I can't imagine where I would be if I didn't find this site and the wealth of knowledge I have gained from here. Imagine being able to quickly communicate with spreadattack or Coach Slack and pull from their knowledge.
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Post by splitbacks on Mar 24, 2009 10:00:47 GMT -6
The central issue I have is the popularity these sites attain with students. This is a coaches site, if you want, a coaches social networking site, however, I prefer to call this the never ending clinic. When students are able to "add" you as a friend or what ever the hell they call it, I firmly believe that you are compromising the student-professional relationship that needs to be maintained and clearly defined
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Post by brophy on Mar 24, 2009 10:09:16 GMT -6
I firmly believe that you are compromising the student-professional relationship that needs to be maintained and clearly defined I don't think we're actually discussing coach-player online communication, though
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 24, 2009 10:21:42 GMT -6
For coaches Communication -
1. Use a web site... Great way to put calendars up and to pass along info (I have done this for years).
2. Email - Create a football email and send out update, reports every couple of weeks... Kind of like newsletters... (Team Camps, Passing tournaments, team meetings, summer lifting...).
Facebook - As a teacher my policy is similar to others... I wait until AFTER they graduate... I have several of my former players currently in college and it allows me to check up on them. I do not accept invitations from current students and players with regards to facebook (Compromising...). Again this is MY policy but I know others who do accept them.... Just does not sit well with me.
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Post by otowncoach on Mar 24, 2009 10:46:51 GMT -6
Ok, I give up. Brophy - Thank you for understanding the intent of my post.
I don't think I was clear in my original post. I was not talking about player-coach networking on Facebook. Twitter is a little different.
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Post by brophy on Mar 24, 2009 10:51:45 GMT -6
Just to reset the discussion;Put the Dateline fear and loathing away for a minute..........
Coach Blow is a teacher. He sets up a Facebook account. Connects with family, friends, acquaintances. He may find value with online networking with other coaches around the globe and put a face with the name/system. He is free to accept/dismiss players that initiate a 'friend' relationship.
Coach Joe is NOT a teacher. He sets up a Facebook account. Connects with family, friends, acquaintances. He may find value with online networking with other coaches around the globe and put a face with the name/system. He is free to accept/dismiss players that initiate a 'friend' relationship.
If I have a Facebook account, and I'd like to connect with guys like Ted Seay or Roldan Leyba on a casual (more lax than email), personal level more than European football......this may be a medium to use. Vassiddy has a great facebook account (as an example) If you are posting pictures in your album of you getting wasted and at Larry Flynt's.....well 1) to view your album, you'd have to be a 'friend' (which you control) and 2) be dumb enough to post them on an Internet site. How many of you college students contact your professors in this fashion, already?
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Post by splitbacks on Mar 24, 2009 13:04:14 GMT -6
Just to reset the discussion;Put the Dateline fear and loathing away for a minute..........
Coach Blow is a teacher. He sets up a Facebook account. Connects with family, friends, acquaintances. He may find value with online networking with other coaches around the globe and put a face with the name/system. He is free to accept/dismiss players that initiate a 'friend' relationship.
Coach Joe is NOT a teacher. He sets up a Facebook account. Connects with family, friends, acquaintances. He may find value with online networking with other coaches around the globe and put a face with the name/system. He is free to accept/dismiss players that initiate a 'friend' relationship.
If I have a Facebook account, and I'd like to connect with guys like Ted Seay or Roldan Leyba on a casual (more lax than email), personal level more than European football......this may be a medium to use. Vassiddy has a great facebook account (as an example) If you are posting pictures in your album of you getting wasted and at Larry Flynt's.....well 1) to view your album, you'd have to be a 'friend' (which you control) and 2) be dumb enough to post them on an Internet site. How many of you college students contact your professors in this fashion, already? [/quote Hansen: So you wanna tell me why your here tonight Coach Blow: I just met some one on line Hansen: And that someone would be whom Coach Blow: Jane Hansen: and how old is Jane Coach Blow: I believe she told me she was 21 Hansen: You wanna try again Coach Blow: ok ok she's 18 Hansen: how about 14 Coach Blow: that's not what she told me Hansen: Blow, it says right here in the transcript that she was 14 Coach Blow: Well I wasn't going to do anything, just hang out you know Hansen: It says right here..... OK I'm done, I love those shows!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by mariner42 on Mar 24, 2009 13:15:17 GMT -6
Regarding students/players: Same as Gschwender, when they graduate, they can add me if they choose because at that point, it's gone from 'professional' to 'personal'. That said, there isn't a single photo on Facebook of me doing anything worse than cuddling with my roommate dressed as a (hideously ugly, bearded) woman on Halloween. No drinking/drugs, partying, etc, because I know that there are WAY too many ways for things to come back on you professionally.
Regarding keeping up with coaches, I think Gchat is pretty stellar. I personally don't really operate my Facebook account because I find the whole fad ridiculous, but Gchat allows me to keep up with people in an informal manner.
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Post by brophy on Mar 24, 2009 13:32:31 GMT -6
lol ---- Is it me, or is the intent and subject matter the author presented completely lost on everyone so far?I guess what the guy presented was creating a more personal network of fellow coaches (having absolutely, entirely NOTHING to do with your current, future, or former players). I am not even sure how he could have made it any clearer, either. Tell me that Coach otown has a facebook network of Darin Slack, Coach Mahonz, OJW, airraider, and Chris Brown..... and this is baaaaad, because?
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Post by coachbdud on Mar 24, 2009 13:53:38 GMT -6
i have a myspace and a facebook. never really use facebook, to me it sucks. I use myspace to keep in touch with friends from HS and pick up on girls i currently go to college with
I have a couple kids from my team as friends, i do this to keep in touch with them cuz some of them dont have cell phones but i can send them a message easily saying hey missed you in weights today, and with myspace you can see if someone has read the message you sent them or not yet
I also created a football myspace for our team to post calendars, schedule, and any important info on.
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Post by coachwilley on Mar 24, 2009 13:54:05 GMT -6
Taking it a step further than the original post, I've often thought of creating a team profile on facebook. The updates are nice because anything happening goes straight to a lot of the kids blackberrys. Sort of like when you set up a class profile for class reunions ect. You really wouldn't even have to have it tied to your own name so as far as tags popping up from old college pictures it wouldn't be a problem. It would be easier than creating a website to post announcements, testing results, ect.
The problem I see is I feel I'm still responsible for what the kids post on their own profiles. I don't want to see their party pictures or language. They need a space away from us. So it's not something I'm going to do. As far as my own profile, I keep it private so you must be a friend to view anything on my profile,and as the other posters did-I won't add you until you graduate.
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Post by 19delta on Mar 24, 2009 14:13:08 GMT -6
lol ---- Is it me, or is the intent and subject matter the author presented completely lost on everyone so far?I guess what the guy presented was creating a more personal network of fellow coaches (having absolutely, entirely NOTHING to do with your current, future, or former players). I am not even sure how he could have made it any clearer, either. Tell me that Coach otown has a facebook network of Darin Slack, Coach Mahonz, OJW, airraider, and Chris Brown..... and this is baaaaad, because? I don't think it is "bad". I think the problem is that sites like Facebook have gotten such a bad reputation that, if a teacher has a page on those sites, it is automatically assumed the teacher is up to no good. Perception is reality, perhaps? But, like YOU said, how is what we are doing here any different than what a group of coaches using peer-to-peer sites for the same purpose? Other than a site like this being more "acceptable", I don't think there is a difference. I guess the better question would be what is the BEST way for coaches (or any other professional) to communicate informally in an electronic format?
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Post by Mav on Mar 24, 2009 14:18:20 GMT -6
Ok, so I held off on social networking for as long as I could. I would hold long class discussions with my class about how Facebook is evil and an invasion of privacy and probably invented by the CIA to spy on us - but now I am hooked. What I have found is that it is a great networking tool. I have reconnected with people I went to HS and college with, and even other coaches. It makes it so easy to get in touch with people. Has anyone else taken the plunge yet? Twitter is my other new addiction. My tweets aren't that interesting but it is fun reading the tweets from other people. I have been thinking about so many ways I could use twitter in my classroom, football team and the school in general. It would be a GREAT public relations tool. PM me if you want to be one of my followers ;D I, too, have been thinking about how Twitter could be used to keep the coaches, players (and parents?) on the same page, year around -- kind of another team building tool. There's so much off season info to disseminate -- conditioning, fund raising, new equipment, college recruiting, passing leagues, camps, clinics, lift-a-thons results, etc. We'd never take the time to update our website with all this stuff, but they seem perfect for quick 'team tweets'. As they say - it's all about staying connected...
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Post by brophy on Mar 24, 2009 14:36:03 GMT -6
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Post by Mav on Mar 24, 2009 15:00:37 GMT -6
Coach Rod's is perfect -- what a great way to feel connected to his team. Walken is a riot. Thanks for the links. I know all the college kids use Twitter. I've got to check with our high school kids.
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Post by otowncoach on Mar 24, 2009 16:28:19 GMT -6
Thanks Brophy. Coach Rod's is EXACTLY what I was talking about in my original post with Twitter!
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Post by CoachDP on Mar 25, 2009 1:16:13 GMT -6
"Coach Rod's is perfect -- what a great way to feel connected to his team."
I must be missing something here. I'm looking at Coach Rod's "tweets"(?) and what I see is:
"Good work done at practice today. Watching film with the Coaches. Go Blue!"
"Heading out to practice!"
"Putting on the pads today. Practice #3."
What's the benefit of this? My response to reading his "tweets" would be "duh" or "hope so." Not trying to be clueless here, but achieving cluelessness anyway.
--Dave
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Post by splitbacks on Mar 25, 2009 5:36:47 GMT -6
I just can't mesh football and tweets together, must be my male insecurities
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Post by casec11 on Mar 25, 2009 6:41:22 GMT -6
I can't belive i am looking at "tweets" now out of the 20 to 30 tweets only one provided any information.... ----------- Finalizing the Plan for our Coaches Clinic next Thursday, hope to see all you coaches there. Go Blue! tinyurl.com/UMClinic------------- why would a coach waste time signing in to just post GO BLUE every day? eveyonce in a while.. ya, but come on? If you could do it like the blog (first link) where infomation on game times practice and such is given out... thats not a bad Idea... but that would be more geared to giving parents/ players information and not interacting with fellow coaches.
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Post by otowncoach on Mar 25, 2009 7:23:33 GMT -6
I agree - it is a goofy name.
For Coach Rod - I think it makes things more transparent and lets people feel like they are an "insider" by following what is going on. It would be interesting to read what he tweets during the season about games. If you wanted to, you could reply to him and you might get a response back from him.
Think of it as a text message - but instead of sending a text to one person or a few you can send it to hundreds or thousands. You can also check it on your phone which makes it easier. It is also another part of networking - which was the original intent of my post. Quickly - and from your phone - you could pose a question to your entire network and receive responses back. Say you are Chicago - you could say, "I'm in Chicago - where is the best pizza place?" and people would respond back to you.
It is really just the next evolution of blogging - it isn't any different than spreadattacks's blog - just shorter.
I'll say it again - this is the world our players/students are living in. If we can connect with them in that world, maybe they will buy in to what we are trying to get them to do on the football field.
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Post by coachcb on Mar 25, 2009 7:32:54 GMT -6
Just to reset the discussion;Put the Dateline fear and loathing away for a minute..........
Coach Blow is a teacher. He sets up a Facebook account. Connects with family, friends, acquaintances. He may find value with online networking with other coaches around the globe and put a face with the name/system. He is free to accept/dismiss players that initiate a 'friend' relationship.
Coach Joe is NOT a teacher. He sets up a Facebook account. Connects with family, friends, acquaintances. He may find value with online networking with other coaches around the globe and put a face with the name/system. He is free to accept/dismiss players that initiate a 'friend' relationship.
If I have a Facebook account, and I'd like to connect with guys like Ted Seay or Roldan Leyba on a casual (more lax than email), personal level more than European football......this may be a medium to use. Vassiddy has a great facebook account (as an example) [glow=red,2,300]If you are posting pictures in your album of you getting wasted and at Larry Flynt's.....well 1) to view your album, you'd have to be a 'friend' (which you control) and 2) be dumb enough to post them on an Internet site.[/glow] How many of you college students contact your professors in this fashion, already? That's the problem with facebook; if you are "tagged" in a photo that someone posts, and that person is on your friend list, all of your friends can see it. You don't have to post the photo for people to be able to look at it; THAT WAS THE POINT I WAS TRYING TO MAKE IN MY EARLIER POST.
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