hawke
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Mar 22, 2009 20:35:40 GMT -6
Post by hawke on Mar 22, 2009 20:35:40 GMT -6
I see that many went to various clinics throughout the country. Can those who went elaborate more on what new ideas or trends that they saw at the clinics both offensively and defensively. Thank you. Hawke
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Mar 22, 2009 21:26:50 GMT -6
Post by coachsky on Mar 22, 2009 21:26:50 GMT -6
I'm not sure these are trends but here's what I seemed to see a lot at the two clinics I attended:
Defense - Pressure Packages and Read Coverages
Offense - Dual treat QB's and stressing mobility in your lineman.
I have to admit I attended mostly defensive session, but also heard a lot of chatter over breakfast and with discussions from other coaching buddies. Again not so sure these are trends.
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Mar 22, 2009 21:36:21 GMT -6
Post by mariner42 on Mar 22, 2009 21:36:21 GMT -6
Trends I've noticed:
Shotgun running attacks (Spread Wing-T, Spin, Gun Triple, etc)
3-3/3-5 Defense
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Mar 22, 2009 22:45:28 GMT -6
Post by coachbdud on Mar 22, 2009 22:45:28 GMT -6
everyone is going shotgun now everyone is going 3-5/3-3 now
idk, just seems like over half of the coaches i talk to here and there want to run these schemes... i have been calling it west virginia-itis
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tarrant
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Mar 23, 2009 1:52:22 GMT -6
Post by tarrant on Mar 23, 2009 1:52:22 GMT -6
i want the trend back where we see full house sets and men grinding out wins through sheer power and determination rather than the recent trend of spread gun pass first sets.
That being said i coach in a pass first spread set and hate every minute of it. In some ways i don't think a power set may make a comeback in my coaching lifetime.
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Mar 23, 2009 3:36:58 GMT -6
Post by shortpunter on Mar 23, 2009 3:36:58 GMT -6
The first season we ran the Single Wing we used "Dare to be Different" as our slogan. We diefinatly were not interested in the current trends
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Mar 23, 2009 6:32:42 GMT -6
Post by gpoulin76 on Mar 23, 2009 6:32:42 GMT -6
The development of athletes has moved from size to speed.
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Mar 23, 2009 7:06:17 GMT -6
Post by lochness on Mar 23, 2009 7:06:17 GMT -6
Most of the clinic speakers I saw at the Glazier were focused on fundamentals and player development rather than trying to sell you on a scheme.
It was hands-down the best clinic I've been to in 10 years, because I had choices other than:
"Fun and Profit with the Spread Gun Offense"
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"Making Friends and Influencing People with the 30 Stack"
I hope that this indicates that the "trend" is still about making our PLAYERS better, and not just our SCHEMES.
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Mar 23, 2009 8:44:22 GMT -6
Post by CoachDaniel on Mar 23, 2009 8:44:22 GMT -6
Spread, definitely - both running it and defending it.
Anyone else notice defensively, more talk about Man coverage, bump & run? All the receivers coaches just talked about getting off press coverage, DB coaches talked about how to do it.
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Mar 23, 2009 10:03:58 GMT -6
Post by 5straight on Mar 23, 2009 10:03:58 GMT -6
Defensively - Players who can MOVE. Not to concerned with size anymore but rather players who can get to the ball in a hurry !!
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Mar 23, 2009 12:41:23 GMT -6
Post by tarrant on Mar 23, 2009 12:41:23 GMT -6
Spread, definitely - both running it and defending it. Anyone else notice defensively, more talk about Man coverage, bump & run? All the receivers coaches just talked about getting off press coverage, DB coaches talked about how to do it. I think it's a direct result of the emphasis on speed and player development. Plus if you have the athletes, it's a lot easier i think to defend a 4/5 wide open passing attack from man rather than zone schemes. The first season we ran the Single Wing we used "Dare to be Different" as our slogan. We diefinatly were not interested in the current trends You wouldn't happen to coach at Plymouth would you? that's like 15 minutes from where i grew up playing in the N.O.L.
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Mar 23, 2009 13:00:43 GMT -6
Post by touchdownmaker on Mar 23, 2009 13:00:43 GMT -6
Trend- more discussion about character and role modeling. I think just about any clinic where the speaker is worth his salt, thats going to come up.
Trend- more discussion about hydrating
Trend- more discussion about conditioning programs before getting into the xs and os
Trend- more discussion about coaching assistants and getting them on board before getting into xs and os.
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Mar 23, 2009 13:22:19 GMT -6
Post by jgordon1 on Mar 23, 2009 13:22:19 GMT -6
Trend- More people charging for what used to be free
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Mar 23, 2009 13:48:18 GMT -6
Post by outlawjoseywales on Mar 23, 2009 13:48:18 GMT -6
Here's a trend, "Bear" Bryant allegidly said, "A big fast player is better than the small fast player." Now there's a trend for you. Seemed to be more defensive trend toward Zone. Seemed to be trend for Weight rooms to be safer. Seemed to be a trend this year or character development. My thoughts this clinic season is that WHO has the ball is more inportant than WHAT they we were calling. It's the WHO, not the WHAT. I also love to watch the Shotgun Spread guys too, then go home and draw up my wing-t plays again. I still think that the two most important things in football are running the ball and stopping the run. If I can get my offensive tackle to block better than their defensive tackle can shed, we're going to win. If I can get my defensive tackle to break the double team, or at least hold his ground, we're going to win. If I can get my Cornerback to not let the Receiver run past him, we're going to win. Everything about football is about the line. But again, what do I know. OJW
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hawke
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Mar 23, 2009 16:13:58 GMT -6
Post by hawke on Mar 23, 2009 16:13:58 GMT -6
Josey, if I can get my guys to do what I want them to do better than you can get your guys to do what you want them to do, I win!!! And I don't care if it's the straight T. (LOL) I do appreciate all the responses and hope there are more. We old guys don't get around as much as we used to but we still try to keep up with the newest ideas though we are still mired in the power game and the 52 (34 when bastardized). Thanks to all, Hawke
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Mar 23, 2009 22:12:13 GMT -6
Post by outlawjoseywales on Mar 23, 2009 22:12:13 GMT -6
Hawke, you know-it still comes down to what you said. "If I can get my guys to do what I want better than you can get your guys to do what you want." That is a wise-sage statement. I have some white in my beard, so I'm always looking for some "wise sage" statements.
The X's & O's of a particular system are simply there to facilitate the type kids we have. Not to make me look smart or trendy.
Personally I love throwing the ball, learned it at an early age coaching at an inner-city school. But when I was left with 3/4 of the team being offensive linemen, I'm not going to be 5-wide- no matter how hard I want to be.
With that in mind though, you've got to know when something great comes along too. No reason to be old for olds sake.
Play I wish I had back then-the Rocket and Jet series. I would have killed people with that thing back then, we do OK with it now. OJW
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Mar 26, 2009 8:48:31 GMT -6
Post by coachrhouse on Mar 26, 2009 8:48:31 GMT -6
I see a trend of being multiple on offense and multiple on defense.
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Mar 26, 2009 9:05:08 GMT -6
Post by red2slam on Mar 26, 2009 9:05:08 GMT -6
If it were as easy as it being type on this thread, they would pay you to coach or the players to pay. Stop trying simplify it. ITS HARD WORK. I am convinced that their are coaches who really dont want to do the work of being a REALLY GOOD COACH, so they dumb it down to coaching cliches and hope for the best.
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Mar 26, 2009 9:09:14 GMT -6
Post by wingtol on Mar 26, 2009 9:09:14 GMT -6
If it were as easy as it being type on this thread, they would pay you to coach or the players to pay. Stop trying simplify it. ITS HARD WORK. I am convinced that their are coaches who really dont want to do the work of being a REALLY GOOD COACH, so they dumb it down to coaching cliches and hope for the best. Huh?
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hawke
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Mar 26, 2009 9:22:50 GMT -6
Post by hawke on Mar 26, 2009 9:22:50 GMT -6
Great answer wing. I have the same response. I'm trying to figure out if that was meant for me. If so 46 yrs as a coach doesn't make it simpler but I do agree that many coaches do not put in the time that it takes to become good and stay there but there are many who do.
Hawke
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Mar 26, 2009 9:25:31 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2009 9:25:31 GMT -6
I agree with most of what's been posted so far. "Being multiple" has been a trend on offense for a while now, but it seems like I've heard more about "being multiple" on defense this offseason than in the past. I've heard more on program building this offseason than in the past as well and I think that's a good thing!!
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Mar 26, 2009 9:34:48 GMT -6
Post by husky44 on Mar 26, 2009 9:34:48 GMT -6
What has struck me as a positive step during the clinic season is that more and more people are talking about developing character in our athletes but before we can do this we have to develop this in our coaches. Working on ourselves and how we react to difficulties will be how our our players react. We must model poise and consistency before our athletes do so.
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Mar 26, 2009 12:02:32 GMT -6
Post by red2slam on Mar 26, 2009 12:02:32 GMT -6
I typed the last post entirely to fast, between classes. Sorry. Not aimed at any individual, necessarily. If it applies then take it as you may, if it doesnt then dont worry about. My point that some coaches boil everything down to who has the best players. When I say everything I mean everything. Their reply to any topic whether it be techniques, offense, defense, special teams, scouting or whatever, their response to everything If my kids are better than your kids I win. If that were the case than the NE Patriots have 3 Super Bowls that are in direct with that logic. Oregon state defies that logic when they USC. Its never that easy or that simple. For some, the answer of my kids are better yours therefore I win, is the answer something similiar to everything. So I wonder if those coaches, I am not targeting an individual or individuals, if they really understand why the great coaches are great.
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Mar 26, 2009 15:40:18 GMT -6
Post by hawke on Mar 26, 2009 15:40:18 GMT -6
Personally I agree with you red. The best athletes do not necessarily win. I haven't coached too many great athletes in my career but I have coached some good football players. The kid who works can accomplish more than the "athlete" who doesn't. My point reflected back to coaching. Are you getting across to your kids what you want them to do? If I do that better than the other guy does with his kids, I like our chances of winning. The biggest travesty I see coaches committing today is asking their kids to do something they don't have the ability to do. Why I like to know trends is because there are going to be a number of guys who are going to ask their kids to perform those "trends." Some are going to be capable but many are not. Give your kids what they are capable of doing and make sure it is done right. Then let them go out and win the game, not the coach.
Hawke
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Mar 26, 2009 15:46:16 GMT -6
Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2009 15:46:16 GMT -6
More passing at the youth level, as well as more and more Single Wing teams.
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Mar 26, 2009 17:43:06 GMT -6
Post by tarrant on Mar 26, 2009 17:43:06 GMT -6
Since my last post here was sort of negative with he response to the proliferation for 4/5 wide offense's. It is refreshign to hear to many guys talking about player development, not just athletically but academically and character. It's an important part of coaching at the high school level and is sometimes easy to forget in the mire.
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Mar 26, 2009 18:49:21 GMT -6
Post by cnunley on Mar 26, 2009 18:49:21 GMT -6
The development of athletes has moved from size to speed.
I agree with this. Example: Florida Gators
Check out the Fat Fattys in the NFL and College now-a-days. Being 6'6'' and 300 pounds is good and all but can they move.
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