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Post by Rooster on Mar 19, 2009 9:55:33 GMT -6
I think that I was giving my OPINION on my area. I also said that it was my theory.
Wasn't just about farm kids... That is how I was explaining what I was trying to get everyone to understand.
However, in some ways, I do think that there are several generations (mine included, I'm 28) that are at a disadvantage in this area. Over the last 50 years, we have evolved from a rural, labor based society into an technologies based, urban one. As such, there are fewer demands on kids physically; both in terms of part time employment and entertainment.
When it comes to part time employment; the kids have a lot more non-labor related postions open to them. They can easily find work standing behind the counter at a mall or another non-labor intensive position. My father's generation typically spent summers working a rough construction or farm/ranch job. There were more of those jobs and fewer jobs at the Gap.
This is what I was trying to say. Are kids do not have those labor intensive jobs anymore. We have people from down south that come up here and do the jobs that we are to "good" to do anymore. The rest of the jobs are behind counters, or computers/mechanization of some sort. The parents can afford to buy the kid a new car at 16 instead of them having to work for it or getting an old used one.
But the economy that we have now is maybe causing thigns to come in a full circle, who knows.
As far as my military example, it is a proven fact that suicide is so much higher in our generation than ever before. Why? Who know.
Not every farm kid is tough,
Not every city kid is an athlete, (Just our big rivals:)
Not every military soldier is weak..... I have 3 former students serving in AFgan right now, and they are all three rangers.
Didnt mean to step on toes, just my two cents
Rooster
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Post by John Knight on Mar 19, 2009 10:21:39 GMT -6
Toughness and great athlete is not synonymous!
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Post by tedseay on Mar 19, 2009 10:27:43 GMT -6
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Post by John Knight on Mar 19, 2009 10:38:53 GMT -6
that site is password protected! DUH!!! p/w means password. gotcha!
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Post by jetswp on Mar 19, 2009 10:57:54 GMT -6
Our head coach does a great job making the player know in no uncertain terms that toughness is a part of the game and will be acquired and drilled each and every day. In fact, our offseason workouts include a once-a-week 10 minute exercise designed to stretch players mental and physical ability. We call it "toughness." The exercise is either upper body or lower body focused, and lasts exactly 10 minutes. The main idea is to get players to believe that their minds will tell them to quit long before their bodies will, and pushing through the pain is a sign of mental toughness.
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Post by PSS on Mar 19, 2009 11:05:06 GMT -6
Our head coach does a great job making the player know in no uncertain terms that toughness is a part of the game and will be acquired and drilled each and every day. In fact, our offseason workouts include a once-a-week 10 minute exercise designed to stretch players mental and physical ability. We call it "toughness." The exercise is either upper body or lower body focused, and lasts exactly 10 minutes. The main idea is to get players to believe that their minds will tell them to quit long before their bodies will, and pushing through the pain is a sign of mental toughness. That's the overcoming the adversity that I posted earlier. We divide into two groups, bigs (line) and skilled. Skills will pull bus tires around the track, do sprint ladders pulling tires, etc. Bigs will flip tractor tires for 30 minutes, getting 200 flips; then get 200 yards of tire pulls. One way we teach mental toughness.
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Post by John Knight on Mar 19, 2009 11:25:31 GMT -6
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Post by scotdaking on Mar 19, 2009 12:06:52 GMT -6
I started at RB my first year in tackle football. I was 12 yrs old. The coach asked in the locker room before the game to raise your hand if you'd run through that wall if I asked you to. About 1/3 of the guys raised their hand. I didn't. I think that is mental toughness. I also think this can be developed in the weight room for those not gifted with it.
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Post by coachwarner on Mar 19, 2009 15:52:46 GMT -6
I like the rabbit chasing video. very interesting. I think a got a beagle that is almost ready for D1 For the rest of the players i am ordering shock collars by the dozen, that should toughen them up. ;D
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Post by phantom on Mar 19, 2009 18:47:44 GMT -6
I think that I was giving my OPINION on my area. I also said that it was my theory. Wasn't just about farm kids... That is how I was explaining what I was trying to get everyone to understand. However, in some ways, I do think that there are several generations (mine included, I'm 28) that are at a disadvantage in this area. Over the last 50 years, we have evolved from a rural, labor based society into an technologies based, urban one. As such, there are fewer demands on kids physically; both in terms of part time employment and entertainment.
When it comes to part time employment; the kids have a lot more non-labor related postions open to them. They can easily find work standing behind the counter at a mall or another non-labor intensive position. My father's generation typically spent summers working a rough construction or farm/ranch job. There were more of those jobs and fewer jobs at the Gap.This is what I was trying to say. Are kids do not have those labor intensive jobs anymore. We have people from down south that come up here and do the jobs that we are to "good" to do anymore. The rest of the jobs are behind counters, or computers/mechanization of some sort. The parents can afford to buy the kid a new car at 16 instead of them having to work for it or getting an old used one. But the economy that we have now is maybe causing thigns to come in a full circle, who knows. As far as my military example, it is a proven fact that suicide is so much higher in our generation than ever before. Why? Who know. Not every farm kid is tough, Not every city kid is an athlete, (Just our big rivals:) Not every military soldier is weak..... I have 3 former students serving in AFgan right now, and they are all three rangers. Didnt mean to step on toes, just my two cents Rooster Coach, I didn't mean to come across like I took it personally. Three Rangers? You have some good kids, then. God bless them and good luck to them.
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Post by angryman27909 on Mar 20, 2009 3:33:09 GMT -6
outstanding topic guys and thoughts, i love the subjects on youth behavior. before i say what I'm going to say i want you to understand that i am not a therapist, i am martial arts instructor that i have spent the last 15 years of my life studying and researching youth aggression. i am at this time a volunteer consultant for the schools and neighborhood crime watch groups to help them intervene and prevent youth violence and gang activity in my town. coaching football is something i did to experiment with my program and theories in a different environment other than a marital arts dojang, before i launched my theories to the public. of course i love coaching the game so I'm still in it. to answer your question on how to develop mental toughness it must be clear on what mental toughness is. mental toughness is a combination of mental resolve, resilience, self discipline, self esteem, and love. it is developed through pursuing self actualization, it is an outward expression of ones character. i have found that the solutions to most of the behavior problems with teens rest in blending martial, military and psychology concepts. to develop mental toughness a leader must be controlling, demanding and verbally abusive, at lease in appearance. that sets up a problem that todays society don't want in our young males nor adult male role models. we live in a culture that is so fearful of developing violence in our youths that we criticize and condemn anything that appears abusive as harmful and dangerous to our kids. even our military has been forced to make changes. when a drill Sgt. pushes a new recruit too far the army now gives the solider a"time out". but its that lack of being pushed that is preventing a recruit from finding his capabilities, self awareness, self confidence, self discipline and mental toughness. from psychology we learned that violence is created by abuse but it is also created by neglect, an individual feelings of "violations of expectation", not finding alternatives (mental resolve), resentment and lost identity. when kids aren't being "push" they create an unrealistic expectation of how others should and shouldn't treat them, this leads to augments and then violence. they also resent not having someone in there lives to help lead or "push" them to discover the "the answer". they carry a lost identity and join up with other teens of lost identity i.e. gangs to help satisfy their emotional longings. so abuse does leads youths to violence but so does neglect, spoiling and unconditional love. I'm a little off subject but this lay down the foundation for understandings why our youths are mental soft.
they are soft because we as a culture and adults are lost. we are lost on definding the differences between what is morally right and ethical consequences. we are lost on the difference between raising kids and rearing their character. we no longer know the difference between self esteem and egotistical selfishness. we no longer see the difference between a child being angry and one being determined, they both get sent off to the same therapist. the last 30 years of psych-analytical non-sense has made our youths worst than any generation before it.
never the less this is my basic formula for correcting behavior problems and teaching mental fortitude:
character must be clearly defined, for this i use the army's list of developing leadership character traits which are...bearing, courage,decisive, dependability, enthusiasm, enthusiastic, endurance, integrity, initiative, judgment, justice, knowledge, loyal, tact, unselfishness. for me kids don't break rules they break one of these characters values. in all that they do i hold the the meet these values.
consequences must be real life or "situational empathy". a good example for us is how i coach corners to call out a crack play. we all know that concerns are notorious for not protecting an outside linebacker on a crack. so i put the corner in at backer and my backer at wr. the corner will never know when the crack is coming, i know many of you are feeling me on this. when i do call the crack and the backer cracks down on the corner i make sure that I'm standing over the corner that just been plummeted. i ask what was that play son? CRACK COACH, IT WAS A CRACK! son don't get my outside backer hurt because of your lack of teamwork that we call empathy. i do this several time in one practice and crack is ingrained in the brains of a corner.(yall stop laughing)
clarify what, when, and how to do. this is a talent that most coaches have that many teachers and parents don't. what i do is listen to when a kids need help with one of the three. this will help them to regain momentum. momentum is a part of mental toughness a lesson from Asian teachings. "when momentum is taken away the strong become timid and when momentum is increase the timid become strong"............. Sun Tzu The Art Of War and while I'm on the subject of kids and questions, if a kids asked why the need to do something, answer that question with anyone of the 15 characteristics. ex, to improve your bearing, loyalty, tact, judgment, etc.
choices show them many methods to achieve a successful result. this helps to train perseverance and adaptability which is a subheading under momentum.
like i said this is a base, just like your playbook i branch off from many play series from here. but mental toughness comes from developig character and that is something our culture has lost doing.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Mar 20, 2009 5:11:11 GMT -6
I had a boy play an entire game with a broken shoulder. I had another boy play an entire season with a torn cartiledge in his knee. Both boys were 8th graders.
tough kids? obviously. It had little to do with me though. I had other kids want to sit out of games for hangnails. lol.
in any case, had I known about those injuries they would have been done.
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Post by slimbo7722 on Mar 20, 2009 7:31:12 GMT -6
We had a kid play with a broke hand and tore up shoulder for most of the season. Had another (Coach's son) play on a broke leg for three weeks before he would even get it checked out to find out that it was broke. That is mentally and physically tough. I think that is also love for the game. They were both seniors.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Mar 20, 2009 7:39:18 GMT -6
Toughness is definitely something someone has and its got be difficult to instill-
toughest person I knew was a nurse. She worked for several days after bursting her appendix. Now THAT is tough.
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Post by jgordon1 on Mar 20, 2009 8:22:19 GMT -6
Well, I don't know if this is part of the conversation or not, but we ask our kids to do way more than when I played in hs. We never had 7/7 tournaments, qb football camps, lifting at 7am in the morning. The offense and defenses we run are also way more complicated. I think we can argue the mental toughness thing all day..IMO..The bottom line is that for the most part..we ask more of these kids than was asked of us. again..IMO these kids have much more pressure placed on them than we ever did.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Mar 20, 2009 8:32:10 GMT -6
we disagree. I do not think we are asking more. I find that our kids are way more over scheduled now than we were as kids.
these kids sometimes get 2.5 hour practices and their are parents who call to complain (roll eyes now). I guess our practices interfere with AAU basketball.
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Post by bluecrazy on Mar 20, 2009 8:37:09 GMT -6
Try this: Sergio Garcia: Excuse Maker or Mentally Tough? By Dr. Jack Singer; Certified Sport Psychologist Sergio Garcia is leading the 2007 British Open for the first three days. And then, the all too familiar fourth day, when Sergio let the lead slip away and lost in a four hole playoff. When asked to comment on his performance, Sergio began by discussing chronic issues he has had playing the majors and the reality of being o for 36 in those tournaments. "I should write a book on how to not miss a shot in the playoff and shoot one over. It's the way it is, I guess. It's not news in my life." In analyzing this comment, the professional Sport Psychologist can quickly conclude that Sergio has a pessimistic orientation regarding events in his sport and therefore, he is likely to repeat his frustrations. A pessimistic orientation means the athlete looks at his/her unfortunate outcomes as chronic problems related to his skill and resultant performance. "Choking" behavior becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, which leads to more choking behavior in similar situations. So for Sergio, making these kinds of statements sets him up for the anxiety and worry that will almost guarantee similar results in majors down the road. Optimism/Pessimism expert Martin Seligman's research shows that pessimistic athletes (and teams) believe that losses and even poor performance during crunch time reflect their ultimate inability to succeed when facing the same situation again. These athletes have learned to feel helpless in terms of controlling their performance, and thus they feel almost fatalistic and have no control over their success or failure. Mental Toughness On the other hand, optimistic athletes look at the same negative events as temporary setbacks, and as opportunities to actually re-focus and crank up their performance the next time they play. They recognize that they actually have ultimate control over their internal dialog and how they view negative events. For example, they may "blame" a playoff loss on unusual, temporary situations, such as the weather or the crowd as reasons for their poor performance. They recognize that the next time out, they can change their thinking, re-focus on their game plan, and have a good chance to grasp victory. Although it can be argued that these athletes are not taking responsibility and are excuse-making, years of research shows that doing this leads to consistently successful performance! Sergio Garcia: Excuse Maker or Mentally Tough? By Dr. Jack Singer; Certified Sport Psychologist www.AmericanCoachingAcademy.com
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Post by angryman27909 on Mar 21, 2009 22:52:38 GMT -6
bluecrazy i totally agree with this paper, but the question is how do you develop this "healthy self talk"within kids? if i push a kid physically without the proper language i will create aggression. Sergio was a pessimistic perfectionist so i can bet that he was coached by a highly critical coach who demanded perfection in his skills and techniques, that is based on the psychological laws of projection. this training does work in bringing out good performance in an athlete but will also set up the the negative behavior Sergio showed when faced with a challenging opponent and many others are worst than him. i think we have all seen kid who is a dominate player that when faced with another dominate payer will lose his mental edge and back off or quit trying. this player is showing signs of a control dominance behavior at early stages. this is not mental toughness.
although he appears tough get respect from his peers and may be physically tougher than most he is still mentally soft. when two champion mindset comes to do battle the one with the healthiest self talk will win. i think that mental fortitude or mental toughness is what we hope to create. this is again more short notes from my program taken from psychology and many at-risks factors. all I'm trying to do here is make sense of this behavior picture.
push +neg talking= impulse aggression
push + no coaching= control dominance aggression
push + unrealistic praise= super ego leading to behavior and personality disorders or psycho pathetic violence( thrill aggression)
no push + unrealistic praise= super ego leading to behavior and personality disorders or psycho pathetic violence( thrill aggression)
no push + no coaching= neglect revenge aggression
push+ positive self talk or coaching verbiage i.e. character, consequences, clarify and choices= mental toughness, fortitude and a positive self image
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Post by tiger46 on Mar 22, 2009 10:27:14 GMT -6
I'm in no way, shape or, form an expert on creating mental toughness in athletes. But, I would like to put this out there. Mental toughness is also found in the classroom. I am a youth coach. So, obviously, I don't have a weightroom to help hone my players' mental toughness. But, I can make demands on them in the classroom and their social behavior at school. I coach in a poor neighborhood. Some of the kids have never had anyone push them in the classroom- especially not a football coach. We lose too many players to bad grades. Football is the first thing parents want to take away from a kid that is performing badly in school. But, they let them keep their x-box's and PS3's. That's ridiculous. Their kids were already academic failures. But, now, the parents have something to blame it on instead of taking responsibility for their kids. The kids get an excuse for not pushing themselves mentally to perform in class. I've never had a parent come up to me and say, "Jimmy was a straight 'A' student until he started playing football. Now, he makes 'F's." It's always parents of kids that were failing or borderline before they ever picked up a football. There are definitely other factors to mental toughness. Other coaches have already mentioned them. I think it just gets tougher as the level of play is raised. Every coach from pros down to youth deals with developing and maintaining mental toughness. I was in the army for three years. It helps me with that aspect of football. But, I would hate to have to deal with some of the outside pressures HS coaches must have to deal with that can erode their players' mental preparedness; things like alcohol, drugs and, sex.
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Post by spreadoption on Mar 22, 2009 18:23:35 GMT -6
No helmets during practice will sure as heck build mental toughness... if they don't die.
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Post by slimbo7722 on Mar 22, 2009 18:57:34 GMT -6
I don't think that would work with my kids, think they already have brain damage.
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Post by tango on Mar 22, 2009 19:09:01 GMT -6
If you can do some drills in the weight room and the 9th graders start whipping the Jr. studs. It seems those Jr. get better at it all of a sudden. We have no athletes in the Sr. class and a weak So. class so the Jr. have been the big dawgs. Our 9th grade class are the type of kids you like to coach. (not athletic but work hard) We are doing a lot of toughness drills and they gut it out. The next time we do it the Jr. can now gut it out.
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Post by gschwender on Mar 23, 2009 16:04:51 GMT -6
try "10 minute toughness" by jason selk--if anyone wants it i have it-kids are really buying into it and works great-works controlling heart rate/visualization--the kids reaaly like it and look forward to reading it if you can beleive that
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