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Post by phantom on Mar 17, 2009 9:12:34 GMT -6
We do not have an athletic period. I played in Pennsylvania and we did not have an athletic period.
I've seen Texas coaches say that they can't imagine coaching without one. How did you get athletic periods? To an outsider the idea of getting school admins to allow practice during the school day is odd.
I realize that this may go back years but how was it sold? How did they convince people that athletic periods are OK?
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Post by realdawg on Mar 17, 2009 9:24:22 GMT -6
In our athletics period-not sure its really an athletic period, but it is Advanced Wt. Training taken mostly by Football players-we dont actually practice-that is outlawed during the school day. Instead we lift weights and do speed and agility work. In season we also watch video during this period. To sale it to the admin-explain how better conditioned and stronger athletes will cut down on injury and impove safety.
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Post by phantom on Mar 17, 2009 9:33:57 GMT -6
Are they intrinsically better conditioned and stronger because they work out during school instead of after school?
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Post by general on Mar 17, 2009 9:42:32 GMT -6
I have 5 Weight Training classes during the day. They get 1/4 credit and can take it both
semesters. All football players take the class as do some other athletes. We have two
sections for the girls also. I have final say on who may enroll in the class.
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Post by realdawg on Mar 17, 2009 10:09:42 GMT -6
I dont think they are better conditioned b/c they work out during school instead of after. What I have found is that MORE OF THEM are conditioned. We still hold after school weights for the few kids who cant get their schedules just right and 8th graders. No matter who the kid is they still miss an average of one day a week if they come after school I would say. It just makes it easier to get all of your kids in Wt. Room if you can do it during school. I was just trying to help and give you a reason that may sound good to the admin.
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Post by phscoach08 on Mar 17, 2009 10:10:59 GMT -6
We have 4th block weight lifting (90 minutes) taken by most of the football players except for the ones with schedule conflicts. All others and upcoming freshmen lift after school.
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Post by PSS on Mar 17, 2009 10:50:55 GMT -6
Phantom, let me see if I can explain this.
Every public HS student in Texas has to get 2 years of PE credit. Those not in Athletics either get those credits by either taking regular PE classes or some districts give PE credit for marching band.
Those participating in team sports such as FB, Bask, BB, Soccer, and Swimming and Diving (in some schools) have an organized athletic period. The larger schools have HC's of those sports that don't coach another sport, 4A and up. They will have kids that play only their sport in their class year round.
Coaches in Texas are now fignting to get the 4 credits that the band, choir, and other electives get. As is, Athletics is only worth the 2 PE credits so Jrs. and Srs. are basically in the class because they want to play the sport.
Now as far as working with the kids during the period. We have 55 minute class periods. Our varsity period is the last period of the day, we are dressed and working 5 minutes into that last period. That means you have 50 minutes of weights / conditioning / agilities during off-season. That runs into after school workout that we can not make mandatory, however we have 95% of our linemen lift and 100% of our skill kids run track. o
Our Freshmen Athletic period is right before lunch but ath semester we move the better one's into the varsity athletic period. They go through the same workout as the Varsity.
I don't know any different. My father was a school supt. for 33 years and it was like that going back to at least the 50s'. Texas puts a great deal of emphasis on athletics. I know several of my former athletes would not have made through HS had it not been for the structure and love for athletics.
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Post by PSS on Mar 17, 2009 11:07:11 GMT -6
Let me add this:
Other than the obivious daily strength and conditioning, praticing; the most important thing that comes out of seeing your kids everyday is that you can implement those team building and character development strategies and use it every single day of the school year. Teach them to care for one another. Teach them to do right, etc.
Where I'm coaching now, each individual coach has a group of kids that he's responsible for, track grades and attendence, contact parents about concerns, individual and group motivation.
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Post by phantom on Mar 17, 2009 11:52:19 GMT -6
I'm not doubting the usefulness of an athletic period. My question is how to convince school administrators, in a place where athletic periods are not the norm, that it's a good idea to have football practice during school?
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Post by PSS on Mar 17, 2009 12:14:22 GMT -6
Maybe things are driven a little different in other states. HC's get fired here for not going deep enough in the playoffs, not just losing seasons.
Rationally, what is the difference from the organized PE class and an organized individual period followed by a specialty period withing that 50 minutes.
Both are organized, involve conditioning - physically and actually more mentally in the athletic class. You can address discipline issues from the classroom / grades and deal with it a whole lot better than any Principal or Asst. Principal.
Does the band and choir have classes during the day?
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Post by PSS on Mar 17, 2009 12:24:17 GMT -6
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Post by knight9299 on Mar 17, 2009 12:25:38 GMT -6
Does the band and choir have classes during the day? Here in Iowa the norm is for the fine arts to have special period for themselves. But suggest an athletic period and you're likely to get a thorough tongue lashing. To be fair I've heard of a few schools that do have an athletic period. My argument for adopting the athletic period in these situations is to show just how similar athletics and fine arts are. Both activities can have a profound effect on a students life. Both activities can open doors to college. The argument I save for last is I know more former teammates still involved with football (or any HS sport) than do I know former band members still playing their instruments. |
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Post by PSS on Mar 17, 2009 12:30:16 GMT -6
Does the band and choir have classes during the day? Here in Iowa the norm is for the fine arts to have special period for themselves. But suggest an athletic period and you're likely to get a thorough tongue lashing. To be fair I've heard of a few schools that do have an athletic period. My argument for adopting the athletic period in these situations is to show just how similar athletics and fine arts are. Both activities can have a profound effect on a students life. Both activities can open doors to college. The argument I save for last is I know more former teammates still involved with football (or any HS sport) than do I know former band members still playing their instruments. Actually, if you look up that link I just posted that is exactly how it is approached in Texas. Band, drama, drill team, cheerleading, and athletics are all considered extra-curricular. This is how they each get their own period. |
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Post by knight9299 on Mar 17, 2009 12:43:18 GMT -6
Actually, if you look up that link I just posted that is exactly how it is approached in Texas. Band, drama, drill team, cheerleading, and athletics are all considered extra-curricular. This is how they each get their own period. So athletic period isn't the best name it? If I was to get a advertising whiz in my proposal, I could call it the A-ECA initiative, All Extra Curricular Activities inititative |
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Post by PSS on Mar 17, 2009 12:50:08 GMT -6
In Texas every class academic and extra-curricular has a set of "Essential Knowledge and Skills". Athletics is much if not the same as PE.
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Post by calicoachh on Mar 17, 2009 12:55:07 GMT -6
Administarters don't like the term "extra curricular" it makes it seem non-important. we use the term "co-curiccular" because athletics is not outside of the learning process(extra) it is part of the learning process (co)
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Post by coachcb on Mar 17, 2009 18:29:57 GMT -6
I'm not doubting the usefulness of an athletic period. My question is how to convince school administrators, in a place where athletic periods are not the norm, that it's a good idea to have football practice during school? Who generally takes the weight training classes during the day? Football players. Remove all of those football players from those classes and place them into one period and you have really cut down on the class sizes of the rest of the upper level P.E. classes. You're basically talking about reducing each of those class sizes by at least 10 kids. Also, by having athletic lifting periods, you open the door for more recreation lifting classes. Generally, weight training classes are centered around athletic performance. Take the athletes out and your P.E. department can run a few more fitness/recreation oriented weight training classes. |
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Post by hsrose on Mar 17, 2009 21:05:37 GMT -6
I'm applying for the (vacant since December) HC slot at our school. The program is 9k in the hole from the past 2 seasons. In order to take that position/debt I am going to negotiate certain concessions from the administration.
The first item is I'm going to try and get a 4th period, year-around training class for the players. My sales approach is that if I can get my players into that class then there will not be any issues with multi-sport players and weights or before/after school weights/workouts. That will be for "supporting the school" by having the athletes play multiple sports with few hassles between the programs. It will also let the players work in the offseason.
I'm not presenting this as a football PE class, just a very focused weight training class were I will provide the student names for the first 40 class slots. They can fill the remaining 10/15 with whomever/whatever they want. They can call the class whatever they want, but it will be a football training class with a few other students thrown in. I will set the workout schedule/content and the PE coach will follow it (see item 3 below). I don't think that I can get a 6th pd. football class as that would be just too big of a leap. We are, after all, the drama and performing arts magnet school for our district.
The second thing is complete control of the weight room. Right now it's a very nice space, but it's like an attic with all the dead treadmills, stationary bikes, and stray weight machines from the past 15 years. It needs to be cleaned out, inventoried, and a replacement plan put in place. I can't do that if I have to ask every PE teacher and coach if they want every piece of dead hardware. A third, very related item, is that the administration will fully support this and back me at every request.
So, my plan is to gain control of the weight room, equip it the way I want, get the 4th pd. class approved, install my training plan, and install my players. The selling of the class as supporting multi-sport athletes, removing inter-sport hassles, and increasing student freedom is the path I'll take.
I really like the co-curricular idea. The administration is very high on the concept of a "whole student" and using the "co-" will go far with that.
Freshmen - We can have no contact with the 8th graders until they are actually on campus as freshmen. We have 5 HS's and 5 Jr. HS's and they can pretty much go to any one of the HS's. Our AD won't let us go there ("that would be recruiting") but I don't know if that is a district or school policy. Our freshmen team doesn't really get going until there are 2-3 games left and everyone has come out.
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