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Post by oldindian on Mar 7, 2009 9:00:48 GMT -6
NC legislator proposes bill in NC senate that would bar athletics at any school where more than half of the students score below the 50th percentile end of grade tests for two consecutive years.
Senator Albertson the sponsor of the bill said the proposal isn't intended to punish students who are doing well. He said he only wants to encourage students who are not preforming well in the classroom to do better.
Athletes already have to meet academic and attendance standards to be eligible to participate.
Other extra-curricular activities would not be affected (band, arts, etc.) Sen. Albertson is also a musician who once proposed a bill to require art education as a graduation requirement.
From all I've heard he has alot of support in the senate and this will very likely pass through to the house.
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Post by wingtoc on Mar 7, 2009 9:03:49 GMT -6
Athletics is the great drop out prevention program in the school system. If you do away with athletics then you are killing the school system....in my opinion
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Post by kylem56 on Mar 7, 2009 10:46:26 GMT -6
if athletics is barred, so should band and clubs. extra curriculars are extra curriculars
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Post by coachmoore42 on Mar 7, 2009 17:45:28 GMT -6
if athletics is barred, so should band and clubs. extra curriculars are extra curriculars Absolutely. I don't understand why so many band people hate football so much. If there was no football, they wouldn't have the same size crowd to entertain on Friday nights. But that is the disconnect I guess...because some think the crowd IS out there to see the band play. |
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Post by bearcatcoach on Mar 7, 2009 18:20:17 GMT -6
GREAT.....Let's ban all the kids with 4.0 GPA's, 1000's on the SAT, and great athletic ability from getting a chance to get hundreds of thousands of dollars in scholarships. That will definitely spark this great economy we live in. You have to be kidding me.......GARBAGE!!!! I really hope this isn't what it seems. I can see no way this passing. Don't get me wrong, education is the #1 priority, but this seems a bit discriminating.
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Post by superpower on Mar 7, 2009 18:45:16 GMT -6
We have room for a bunch of the NC kids who will be looking for a place to play on Friday nights!
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Post by red2slam on Mar 7, 2009 19:41:17 GMT -6
Football is going to come under heavy scrutiny over the next couple of years.....The aim is going to be assimmilating to europe, or more to the point away with americanism.
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Post by dacoordinator on Mar 7, 2009 20:12:02 GMT -6
being that I am coaching in North Carolina and also at a low performing school. I think it is dumb to do away with sports what it really boils down to is that they are trying to cut out sports from the low economic school because of their failure to bring in good enough teachers to spark the kids interest in learning. They can only grab the teachers that just want to come and collect a pay check and dont really care about the kids. i think it is unfair to do this because it is my belief that most of the athletes are your better students. the kids that dont do any extra curricular activities but work are the once that ruin the school because some feel like since they have a source of income they are set and then the wanna be thugs of the school think they the corner is where need to be or that disrespecting others is whats cool
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Mar 7, 2009 21:24:44 GMT -6
Maybe we should have a bill that eliminates all state legislative branches in states where the foreclosure rate is in the bottom 50%, unemployment is in the bottom 50 %... education, crime rates... wait... why stop there? Make it a federal issue elected officials will be replaced if the nation is below the 50th percentile (relative to our historical situation) in foreclosures, unemployment and NASDAQ Dow Jones indexes.
Could we put a section for job vacancies under “Legislators” in the job section. I would suspect if my bill passes there would be a plethora of openings. Write your congressman... let’s get this to the floor.
Regards,
Senator Blutarsky.
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Post by silkyice on Mar 7, 2009 21:38:45 GMT -6
Mathmatically, half the students have to perform in the bottom half (below 50%). So technically, an "average" school would get athletics banned.
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Post by cwood on Mar 7, 2009 22:00:46 GMT -6
if athletics is barred, so should band and clubs. extra curriculars are extra curriculars I completely agree. At my school the implemented a drug testing policy for athletics. People raised a big stink about it and know testing is open to all or they are not allowed to participate. Athletics is also a huge reason why some kids even come to school. Some academia person things they have a great idea and they really have no idea what they are doing. |
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Post by k on Mar 7, 2009 22:37:12 GMT -6
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Post by eickst on Mar 8, 2009 0:06:12 GMT -6
Dont you have to be academically eligible to participate in athletics anyway? What's the purpose of this extra legislation?
Damn and I was thinking about moving to Raleigh in a couple years......
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Post by baraboo99 on Mar 8, 2009 4:59:47 GMT -6
The purpose I think is to catch the coaches who don't really care about the kids future and let failing kids slip through the cracks. As much as we would like to think otherwise as coaches there are a few bad eggs out there.
While I think this is an extreme it might lead to some good with having standardized regulations when it comes to academic eligibility and more regulation so schools, coaches, and kids cannot cheat the system and take the focus away from education which is most important. Kids go to school to be educated, not just to participate in athletics.
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Post by oldindian on Mar 8, 2009 7:15:25 GMT -6
I called the Senator to ask him his rational behind the bill. I told him athletes already have to meet academic requirements to be eligible to participate, and that we coaches stress this continually. He said he knew this but he wants the same emphasis placed on the non-athletes. I asked him why punish the athletes. He didn't feel this was punishment. He could not give me one good reason for his opinion. This has been an eye opening experience for me. I'm now really beginning to see why this country is in the shape that it is in. With people like this making decisions for our future, God help us.
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Post by hugh on Mar 8, 2009 7:24:37 GMT -6
NC requires students to be pass three of four classes each semester and meet promotion standards and attendance requirements. The senate bill is based solely on end of course testing for high school students and is given for eleven courses. Athletes in NC and I am sure most other states perform better than non-athletes on the tests. They also have fewer discipline problems, higher gpas, and better attendance. The education department at ECU completed a major research project on athletics in the state and the findings support of those conclusions.
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Post by trojan on Mar 8, 2009 9:19:05 GMT -6
Reasons for sports that are not athletic: better grades, better attendance, better behavior, better outlook for the future, and a zillion more. Reasons against athletics (football in this case) I called the Senator to ask him his rational behind the bill... He could not give me one good reason for his opinion. I'm guessing that this senator has some good intentions in all this, but is this the way to solve a problem? A crime boss believes that he has a mole in his organization, so he shoots the first of his employees to walk in, then believes that he has solved his problem. Yep, that would do it. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 8, 2009 9:26:31 GMT -6
Once again, one of the major problems with education is that the lawmakers who make the laws governing education generally feel little impact from these laws. I would be willing to bet significantly large sums of money that this Senator does not have family members attending schools that would be impacted.
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Post by hugh on Mar 8, 2009 10:28:25 GMT -6
an all too frequent occurance
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Post by phantom on Mar 8, 2009 10:33:29 GMT -6
I called the Senator to ask him his rational behind the bill. I told him athletes already have to meet academic requirements to be eligible to participate, and that we coaches stress this continually. He said he knew this but he wants the same emphasis placed on the non-athletes. I asked him why punish the athletes. He didn't feel this was punishment. He could not give me one good reason for his opinion. This has been an eye opening experience for me. I'm now really beginning to see why this country is in the shape that it is in. With people like this making decisions for our future, God help us. His rationale, which he can't come out and say, is snobbery and borderline (and subconscious) racism. I read in a previous post that the senator is a musician. I believe that in his mind the students in band and clubs are the good students.They're not the academic problem. Athletes are the dumba$$es. They're the one who bring down test scores and need "motivation". I don't know the guy and have no facts to back this up. That's just my opinion. I justthink that he buys the stereotypes. |
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Post by throwtherock on Mar 8, 2009 13:40:30 GMT -6
Wow. Don't really know where to start. It amazes me that athletics are always attacked but not music and arts. I've seen kids ineligible for a football game, but could participate in the school play because it wasn't a competition!
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Post by hugh on Mar 8, 2009 13:51:02 GMT -6
If athletics were some new fangled program being offered by the latest reform project organization, we would receive all types of government grants and help for our drop out prevention, after school care, academic assistance, and health and wellness programs.
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Post by red2slam on Mar 9, 2009 7:16:46 GMT -6
This all goes back to being love and respected by the world. Football the way americans know it, not what the 4 letter network and the rest of the media is pushing, is clearly and purely american. Target no.1 when not revenue producing programs start getting cut, in the name of fairness will be football.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 9, 2009 16:27:05 GMT -6
If athletics were some new fangled program being offered by the latest reform project organization, we would receive all types of government grants and help for our drop out prevention, after school care, academic assistance, and health and wellness programs. WOW...I never even considered this. Very astute! |
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Post by thakatalyst on Mar 9, 2009 21:20:00 GMT -6
I'll be willing to house a couple of athletes from NC. Defense only though. We're two platoon now and I'm tired of our HC trying to take everybody  Just in case you don't know...J/K! That's "Just Kidding" for those that don't know. |
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Post by barr602000 on Mar 9, 2009 21:44:56 GMT -6
this is terrible and very good thought on the government grants
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Post by jpdaley25 on Mar 10, 2009 7:21:54 GMT -6
Let's cut out every manly sport, job, and hobby in America and call our lawyers when the next invasion comes. My favorite comedian, George Carlin, called it the pu$$ification of America.
I hope manhood wins out in N.C., because I'm right next door.
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Post by mib36 on Mar 10, 2009 7:56:48 GMT -6
I'll be willing to house a couple of athletes from NC. Anybody willing to house coaches too? Lol, just kidding about that one. There is a tangible air of uncomfort here in NC with this being brought up. The funny thing is that where this legislator is from, football is almost the only thing those communities have for their kids. I sincerely hope this gets squashed but there's no telling how far it may go. |
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Post by gdoggwr on Mar 10, 2009 8:24:29 GMT -6
Wow.... Why is it that educators are constantly asked to justify decisions and choices that we make, and any programs or ideas that we try to implement are supposed to be backed by researched, etc. etc. Then the same people that tell us we have to have justification for everything can go and propose a bill like this that has no basis, and actually runs contrary to research done about extra-curricular activities and performance.
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Post by coachmpope on Mar 10, 2009 16:08:49 GMT -6
ATHLETICS AND ESPECIALLY FOOTBALL IS NOT IMPORTANT IN NORTH CAROLINA. THE COACHES ARE PAID VERY LITTLE .....HEAD COACHES IN N.C. DO NOT MAKE WHAT MIDDLE SCHOOL COACHES IN S.C. MAKE. GUYS ....WITHOUT SPORTS ...FOOTBALL IN PARTICULAR SCHOOLS WOULD BE IN PROBLEMS. USUALLY THE COACHES PROVIDE THE DISCIPINE IN SCHOOLS AND TO BE ABLE TO PLAY KEEPS A LOT OF KIDS IN SCHOOL AND OUT OF TROUBLE.
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