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Post by touchdownmaker on Mar 5, 2009 5:55:11 GMT -6
What ways do you get fence sitters to commit to the program without being so forceful as to get yourself into trouble?
We use a point system and the impending make up sessions for those that miss workouts. We use playing time and duties and other things to make it clear that you need to get in or get out. Ill even go as far as to ask a player where hed like to play and put a point value on that.
I am always looking for more ways to turn up the off season heat in such a way tht it will not interfere with multi sport athletes doing their thing.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Mar 5, 2009 8:37:35 GMT -6
I hear you DC and man I am with you. I just saw a kid walk into our lunch room, turn around and walk out. He obviously saw me sitting here on my lap top sipping coffee and ran away ha ha. He knows Ill be all over him as we are testing this month. I have not seen this kid lift since November. Hes a "fitness center member" of course. Sad thing, He will probably still rush for 2000 yards.
We are trying a bit of peer pressure rather than just head coach pressure. The kids are placed on teams for the month and attendance by the whole team is going to effect the kids.
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Post by moon on Mar 5, 2009 8:57:54 GMT -6
At the end of the season the coaches meet and select our "Super 7". You don't have to be a great player to be selected but you must be a team player, show dedication to the progam, and have heart. These seven are responsible for getting the word out to other players about meetings, lifting sessions, and attempting to get pervious non-athletes to join the team. Each "Super" has somewhere between 7-10 kids in his group that he is responsible for (ie. phone calls, support system, encouragement).
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 5, 2009 11:22:50 GMT -6
Peer pressure does work well... I have had success with as well...
Ultimately though if your goal is to win championships one of two things has to happen:
1. Have a TON of talent (have all kinds of D-IA and IAA players on your roster... Especially a ton of big, fast explosive players who can take plays to the house).
2. Have kids who are committed to a common goal and you do not have to trick or bribe them..... I
I believe in rewarding attendance and hard work. But ultimately we do not need to reinvent the wheel.. If you have kids that you have to constantly "bust their balls" to workout and if you have kids who have not worked out since November than I guess you get what you paid for...
I still believe often we as coaches spend too much time focusing on players that do NOT do what we want them to do in the off-season.
Hell I just got wind that one of my more talented 9th grade players is focusing on B-Ball (open gym, travel team....) and does not want to workout.... Now I will come and speak to him next week one on one... I will tell him know we want him as long as he wants to be apart of it... After that meeting I will not continue to beg or chase him... I will just focus on the kids we have in our program who are doing well.
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Post by gmdwallis08 on Mar 5, 2009 11:23:06 GMT -6
Why would you want non athletes do join the team??
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 5, 2009 12:03:24 GMT -6
Well Said Ohio... I am the same way. They are with us or I push them off the fence.
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Post by moon on Mar 5, 2009 12:55:21 GMT -6
gmd, you must be refering to my comment. I'm meant kids that have not played yet. We'll take anybody as long as they show a desire to learn and improve. There are plenty of kids out there that have not tried, yet they may have potential to be ball players. Sometimes you need to look in the shadows.
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Post by fatkicker on Mar 5, 2009 13:41:17 GMT -6
for us....playing time was always the best motivator.....
if that doesn't work then hard to tell why the kid is out there......
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Post by touchdownmaker on Mar 5, 2009 16:28:54 GMT -6
We have too many guys who just want to wear the shirt and too many parents who think because they wear the shirt they should get out on the field.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Mar 6, 2009 4:37:43 GMT -6
Called him last night. Not going to call him again and am going to begin planning to move on without him or any other kid flying solo. Watching my other kids bond and participate makes me realize how badly I want my team to be TIGHT.
with us or against us. ITS ONE OR THE OTHER.
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Post by go42 on Mar 6, 2009 5:52:03 GMT -6
Leadership within your program will help get them involved.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Mar 6, 2009 6:20:56 GMT -6
I have results of testing and attendance posted. I think that applies pressure in that the kids see their names and others. I also use the school announcements to make a big deal out of wt lifting tests etc.
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Post by seagull73 on Mar 6, 2009 7:10:03 GMT -6
We put this into place this year:
Uniform numbers will be selected by giving the players with the highest percentage of workouts attended the 1st choice. If a soph has more workouts in than a senior he can take his number. Upperclassmen are really stressing out about it and show up every time.
We are also choosing lockers by the same system but no one seems to care about that.
If you don't make 95% of the workouts you are not eligible to be a team captain
If you don't make 90% of the workouts you can not participate in 7 on 7 or off-season camps.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Mar 6, 2009 7:25:50 GMT -6
Thats what we do too. captain status (which is great on a resume) is usually for seniors but I dont have many seniors and only two of them are reliable in showing up so ill probably have a pair of soph captains. It just might happen.
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Post by bccarnes on Mar 6, 2009 10:39:14 GMT -6
We also base the order of picking numbers and lockers on summer workouts. We are going to try out a number based point system this summer. At some point it all comes down to how bad the kids really want it and what kind of kids they are. The hard workers will always be there and always work hard and the kids that think everyone owes them something either don't show up or find ways to just do enough to get by. I agree with BigM and too often focusing on the bad, I think a lot of times it is easier to be frustrated by the worst 5% than to be encouraged by the top 20 or 30 percent that are working hard. Just my two cents.
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Post by pantherpride91 on Mar 6, 2009 11:47:32 GMT -6
We built a real nice team web site and posted all the weight room leaders on it and have promoted it throughout the school and community....The kids have really ate it up....They talk about it all the time
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Post by newhc on Mar 6, 2009 19:03:52 GMT -6
This was a post that was right on tine for me.
I am not a chasers, but my numbers are low. So I am thinking about how to apply pressure and still be true to myself.
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Post by coachwilley on Mar 24, 2009 0:34:08 GMT -6
How many of you have state rules that prohibit descrimination based on summer attendance? Actually I think it says that summer workouts cannot be made manditory and you can't punish a kid in any way for missing.
Now you can always give another "reason" for moving them down the depth chart, such as "I'm worried that you may be hurt because you're not strong enough yet." It always seems like BS doing things this way though.
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 24, 2009 11:57:40 GMT -6
Communicate, communicate, communicate...
If at some point he does not want to play move on... If you feel he is just going to show up in August and collect his stuff than you have the right to pick your team and cut any player you feel is not worthy of having the uniform...
I find if you communicate with them and constantly talk to them or throw out reminders to the players - they will either hop on board to your expectations or they will leave.
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Post by coachwilley on Mar 24, 2009 13:56:18 GMT -6
But in a tiny school you don't really "cut" players except for discipline reasons that are in the handbook. Of course, missing summer workouts can not be in the handbook.
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Post by phantom on Mar 24, 2009 17:03:26 GMT -6
How many of you have state rules that prohibit descrimination based on summer attendance? Actually I think it says that summer workouts cannot be made manditory and you can't punish a kid in any way for missing. Now you can always give another "reason" for moving them down the depth chart, such as "I'm worried that you may be hurt because you're not strong enough yet." It always seems like BS doing things this way though. BS? How? Dad: "Why's Junior 2nd team?" Coach: "The other guys are stronger and in better shape." Dad: "Is this punishment for missing conditioning?" Coach: "Absolutely not but he'd probably be stronger and in better shape if he'd been there." Dad: "And he has to wait to get his locker an equipment. That's illegal punishment." Coach: "It's not punishment. It's a reward for the guys who were here. Junior will get equipment and a locker. Well, hope that answers your questions. Always nice to see you." |
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Post by coachwilley on Mar 24, 2009 17:37:03 GMT -6
Phantom, I like your word choice there. The equipment will definitely fly, and we do this already by attendance.
The part I meant about B.S. is that when it's a first teamer that's missing...there's such a difference between number 1 and number 2, it just seems like such a game. Obviously part of that is coaching and I'm working to get the younger guys buying in sooner so I won't have such a descrepancy. At the same time it's hard with less then 30 guys. I would like to become more cut throat when it comes to missing summer workouts though. What are your guys percantages? I'm sure there's a post on this already. I'll search it....
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Post by bigm0073 on Mar 24, 2009 19:28:20 GMT -6
Hmmm...
Basketball cuts.. baseball Cuts...
Why can't football? I would bet in your states handbook it does NOT say you can not cut! In our state they are allowed 3 days and then they are free game...
Drop the hammer on the kid and I bet no other kid tries that BS in the future.
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Post by tog on Mar 24, 2009 20:21:13 GMT -6
this is all about relationships
don't cut off your nose to spite your face
if a kid truly doesn't want to play football
ok
if you care about kids then you still high five em in the hall
and you still talk with em about grades and anything in the world
then if you choose your spots wisely to talk to them about football
it isn't forced at all
it is you having built a relationship with the kid where he knows you give a crap about him beyond the game and what he can do for you as a kid
the truly awesome coaches i have seen are the ones that do this with any and every kid they see, talented or not
i consciously strive to be one of those guys every day
i make a point of it
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Post by coachmoore42 on Mar 24, 2009 20:50:09 GMT -6
this is all about relationships don't cut off your nose to spite your face if a kid truly doesn't want to play football ok if you care about kids then you still high five em in the hall and you still talk with em about grades and anything in the world then if you choose your spots wisely to talk to them about football it isn't forced at all it is you having built a relationship with the kid where he knows you give a crap about him beyond the game and what he can do for you as a kid the truly awesome coaches i have seen are the ones that do this with any and every kid they see, talented or not i consciously strive to be one of those guys every day i make a point of it This is my new self-motivation quote. |
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