moball
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Post by moball on Feb 21, 2009 16:29:45 GMT -6
I coach at a small rural high school (about 450 students). We run the veer and are pretty good at our skill positions. We like to pass a little bit also (3 step 6-8 times per game/5 step 4-6 times per game/play action 6-8 times per game). We pass because we can, but we run inside veer and mid-line alot. My question is in regards to O-Line personnel. Assuming you don't have the perfect kid to play on the line, would you rather have the 5-9 175lb linebacker type that is quick and tough but is often overmatched due to size or the 5-11 280 lb kid with a bucket head that is equally as tough, great on double teams and wedge schemes, but horrible on pass protection and one on one situations? These seem to be my choices for next season. What say you?
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Post by jhanawa on Feb 21, 2009 16:35:24 GMT -6
I prefer athletic linemen over size, we pull alot and run the option so quick feet is important. Having said that, work that 5'11-280lb'er down to 240-250 and you'll have a road grader that can move. If you don't pull, put the big kid at guard where he's always going to double team on the veer and the smaller at tackle who has to get the LB's...
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Post by coachcb on Feb 21, 2009 19:03:32 GMT -6
We ran veer for a long time, and I always took small athletic OL over bigger kids. We were just so much more versatile with a smaller OL that could move; especially because we didn't we rarely asked them to take someone on one-one very often. If they were one-one, we made sure, through schemes, that they had a good angle. But, this is also because a staple of our veer offense was quick pitch with the PSG and PST pulling and leading. We couldn't afford to have a slower kid out there in that situation.
Worst case scenario with a smaller OL; you have to throw a little less out of the 5 step packages because they don't hold the pocket well. In that case, I'd just call more PA and 3 step stuff.
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Post by phantom on Feb 21, 2009 19:44:50 GMT -6
I coach at a small rural high school (about 450 students). We run the veer and are pretty good at our skill positions. We like to pass a little bit also (3 step 6-8 times per game/5 step 4-6 times per game/play action 6-8 times per game). We pass because we can, but we run inside veer and mid-line alot. My question is in regards to O-Line personnel. Assuming you don't have the perfect kid to play on the line, would you rather have the 5-9 175lb linebacker type that is quick and tough but is often overmatched due to size or the 5-11 280 lb kid with a bucket head that is equally as tough, great on double teams and wedge schemes, but horrible on pass protection and one on one situations? These seem to be my choices for next season. What say you? For a veer team unquestionably the quicker guy. You're not looking to knock people off of the ball so there's no need for a huge OL. If you're in a short-yardage situation and want movement put the big kid in. Who are you fooling in those situations anyway?
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 21, 2009 19:52:58 GMT -6
Could you hide the kid and use a type of slide protection. We had a kid like that last year we put him at Left guard and we always sent the center his way. BTW our second best Oline guy was 5'11 180 and had great technique
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Post by bigm0073 on Feb 21, 2009 20:31:15 GMT -6
I am a the oline coach and I want the athlete any day of the week.... Like Jim McNally would say "How fast can you get the 2nd step down...." It is all about hips, explosion and getting off the ball. If you want to move people off the ball than double team your guys. Either take the athlete!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2009 21:20:57 GMT -6
I'd take the smaller quicker player, teach him to technique the hell out of them
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Post by airman on Feb 21, 2009 21:27:16 GMT -6
sounds like guy number two would make a nice nose guard in a odd front defense.
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