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Post by dolomite on Feb 17, 2009 0:34:04 GMT -6
I coach at a 1A school. Last year our whole Staff was new with the exception of our new head coach. He Coached on the previous staff. Before we came there was no double sessions. Last season was the first time the Program had double sessions\ two a days. Every level participated except our incoming Freshman. Our freshman went 3-3, JV went 8-0 and Varsity went 8-4, quarterfinals, best playoff run in school history. Our staff is very conservative. Their motto is-if it aint broke don't fix it. Our HC is leaning toward not having two a days because last season we had a few juniors that almost quit during the doubles. We started with 19 freshman and ended with 15. We lost a kid to eligibility and a couple just quit, fake injuries, the usual freshman crap. What are your guys thoughts? What were your lower level records and did you or did you not have two a days? Just gaging some numbers here.. Thanks in advance..
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Post by ajreaper on Feb 17, 2009 10:54:34 GMT -6
As a frosh HC i never ran doubles because transportation for them was an issue- they don't drive and none of their friends do either so getting home after one practice then getting a ride back later could be a problem. Sometimes went with a long split practice giving them 30 minutes in the AC somewhere then a second shorter practice (generally special teams work for an hour or so). That allowed the players a short break and the parents only had to drop off and pick up once.
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Post by indian1 on Feb 17, 2009 11:01:08 GMT -6
ditto dcohio
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Post by kcbazooka on Feb 17, 2009 11:01:17 GMT -6
we have them do the same as varsity but that is because we are a small school and they may play varsity...
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Post by brophy on Feb 17, 2009 11:03:59 GMT -6
2 a days are overrated. You can get more accomplished by having a double session practice than wasting the entire day to meet 'twice', just to fulfill some innate tradition.
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Post by dolomite on Feb 17, 2009 13:55:49 GMT -6
As a frosh HC i never ran doubles because transportation for them was an issue- they don't drive and none of their friends do either so getting home after one practice then getting a ride back later could be a problem. Sometimes went with a long split practice giving them 30 minutes in the AC somewhere then a second shorter practice (generally special teams work for an hour or so). That allowed the players a short break and the parents only had to drop off and pick up once. I just seen our freshman make alot of mistakes that cost them games down the stretch. I seen them get over ran in a second half and I think it was because those other freshman had doubles. No matter how you cutt it. You miss out on football if you're not there. |
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Post by ajreaper on Feb 17, 2009 14:10:24 GMT -6
I don't think a week of doubles makes a huge difference in an entire season. We work all June on the passing game both on the O and d side of things and spent 4 days at camp in July- our practices prior to school starting were 2-2.5 hours long at most, we never got ran over in the second half and in fact went a stretch over three season where we won 22 straight.
I'm a Varsity HC now and do not see the need for a week of doubles prior to school starting- of course we get spring ball and work 7 on 7 for a month each summer and spend 3.5 days at camp so maybe that replaces what you all do with doubles. Doubles at one time were used more to "prove" who wanted to be there with most schools running 12 month programs we already know in August who wants to be there know need to seperate the posers from the players.
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 17, 2009 14:37:50 GMT -6
I don't think a week of doubles makes a huge difference in an entire season. We work all June on the passing game both on the O and d side of things and spent 4 days at camp in July- our practices prior to school starting were 2-2.5 hours long at most, we never got ran over in the second half and in fact went a stretch over three season where we won 22 straight. I'm a Varsity HC now and do not see the need for a week of doubles prior to school starting- of course we get spring ball and work 7 on 7 for a month each summer and spend 3.5 days at camp so maybe that replaces what you all do with doubles. Doubles at one time were used more to "prove" who wanted to be there with most schools running 12 month programs we already know in August who wants to be there know need to seperate the posers from the players. We have two weeks of doubles here.. no spring.. we usually have the Frosh start w/ one a days and then build up to 2 a day |
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Post by Coach Huey on Feb 17, 2009 16:04:06 GMT -6
'traditional' 2-a-days is probably not as efficient ... i.e. those where you workout in the morning, leave, then workout again in the evening.
doing both workouts in the morning - with a break in between for meetings, rest/recovery, etc. - is probably much more efficient.
on larger staffs, our freshmen worked out separately (they had their own staff) and they had 2 workouts, although the 2nd one was shorter.
staff i'm on now is much smaller so we work them out only once due to time constraints.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Feb 17, 2009 16:39:25 GMT -6
'traditional' 2-a-days is probably not as efficient ... i.e. those where you workout in the morning, leave, then workout again in the evening. doing both workouts in the morning - with a break in between for meetings, rest/recovery, etc. - is probably much more efficient. on larger staffs, our freshmen worked out separately (they had their own staff) and they had 2 workouts, although the 2nd one was shorter. staff i'm on now is much smaller so we work them out only once due to time constraints. This is what my HS team did my Sr. year with a small staff (4 varsity coaches + the freshman HC helpilng us out). We'd hit the practice field at 9AM, warm up and practice until 11:30, then take an hour and a half break for lunch/lifting before going back from 1:00-3:30 for the second session/conditioning. Worked really well IMO. We were really sharp going in to our first few games. |
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Post by touchdowng on Feb 17, 2009 20:08:09 GMT -6
Have done it both ways. When I look back I know the freshman who went through doubles benefited from that experience and learned much more quickly what it was going to take to become a successful H.S. FB player.
It takes a little more educating of the parents to buy into 2adays and the rationale for it but I believe it's the best format if you have the coaching staff that can support it.
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Post by hsrose on Feb 17, 2009 20:35:55 GMT -6
Not really an option for us. We have 5 Jr HS's that feed 5 HS's. Problem is that until school starts the first week of Sept the freshmen can go from any Jr HS to any of the HS's. They have to transfer so it's not just a walk in, but it's pretty close.
So, although the freshmen practice in August, it is not "real" until school starts. Their first game is our game 3 or 4. They can't practice with us as they don't exist yet. A player could go through our practices and then transfer to another school.
This also prevents us from having contact with the 8th graders. Only the AD can go visit them and it is once a semester (I think) and it must be a non-sport-specific visit so he talks about all the sports.
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