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Post by coachden on Mar 5, 2009 4:37:23 GMT -6
Well TDmaker, you make a valid point. I have some personal interest in staying for at least one more year. My brother will be a senior on the team, and I would hate for me to leave him for his senior year. I have coached him for his whole career thus far. That would be one reason to stay. I also have also made a few good friends on the staff. Obviously if I don't leave the region, we will still be friends. But part of the reason I enjoy coaching at this school are these guys on the staff.
But I agree, your 3 rules can be applied to any job.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Mar 5, 2009 5:51:21 GMT -6
Coaching is certainly about relationships and if you have relationships that you value then the job titles falls secondary and you stay for the relationships that mean so much more than the titles you hold. I would, knowing more about your situation, stick it out and just make it a priority to have fun. Dont burn the bridge. Never know, maybe next year you get a promotion and more responsibility.
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Post by John Knight on Mar 5, 2009 5:57:13 GMT -6
Do you think the fact that your brother is a senior has anything to do with the promotion. I have no idea if that is the case but I could see that being part of the reason.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 5, 2009 7:10:10 GMT -6
To update you on this and to get some more advice...... The whole staff is being restructured and I feel like I am being disrespected. Let me know if I am wrong. As i stated previously, I was JV Head Coach and Varsity O-Line last year. Next year, I will be a JV assistant on DL and OL. I asked the main HC if I did anything wrong to make this "demotion" happen. He said no. Basically, he restructured the staff to his liking to fit the strengths of each coach. Now I don't coach for the title, but I am more motivated when it comes to responsibility. What do you think? Time to move on or swallow my pride? Being "disrespected"? Oh lord. Sorry to be blunt, but from the facts you have presented, it is either one of two things: 1) Your HC thinks there are coaches on the staff that are better than you. Generally weak coaches don't realize they are weak (same goes with teachers, or hell, most any profession). 2) Your HC thinks that you aren't quite head coach material, but that he feels more comfortable with you working more independently with his younger players than the current Varsity D-Line Coach. So, he plans to keep his "weaker" coach working with the Varsity D-Line (Not Oline, because that is the spot where the new OC is) under his nose a bit more. This is obviously weighing on you. Be point blank with him. Tell him to be point blank with you. Tell him you view it as a demotion and that you would like to be told, point blank what qualities you are lacking to be a varsity coach. Then, be prepared to hear what you don't want to hear.
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Post by coachden on Mar 5, 2009 12:04:55 GMT -6
To update you on this and to get some more advice...... The whole staff is being restructured and I feel like I am being disrespected. Let me know if I am wrong. As i stated previously, I was JV Head Coach and Varsity O-Line last year. Next year, I will be a JV assistant on DL and OL. I asked the main HC if I did anything wrong to make this "demotion" happen. He said no. Basically, he restructured the staff to his liking to fit the strengths of each coach. Now I don't coach for the title, but I am more motivated when it comes to responsibility. What do you think? Time to move on or swallow my pride? Being "disrespected"? Oh lord. Sorry to be blunt, but from the facts you have presented, it is either one of two things: 1) Your HC thinks there are coaches on the staff that are better than you. Generally weak coaches don't realize they are weak (same goes with teachers, or hell, most any profession). 2) Your HC thinks that you aren't quite head coach material, but that he feels more comfortable with you working more independently with his younger players than the current Varsity D-Line Coach. So, he plans to keep his "weaker" coach working with the Varsity D-Line (Not Oline, because that is the spot where the new OC is) under his nose a bit more. This is obviously weighing on you. Be point blank with him. Tell him to be point blank with you. Tell him you view it as a demotion and that you would like to be told, point blank what qualities you are lacking to be a varsity coach. Then, be prepared to hear what you don't want to hear. This is exactly what I initially thought. I thought well maybe I am a weak coach in this guy's mind. A few other coaches received "demotions" as well, and they were thinking the same. I did meet with the HC alone and asked him very bluntly if my performance had anything to do with this. He still said no. He could be a chicken $hit, but who knows? This was more about restructuring the whole staff/program. The varsity HC will now be the JV HC as well. And all coaches will supposedly coach varsity and JV. I still stand by my comment on being disrespected.
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Post by coachden on Mar 5, 2009 12:07:50 GMT -6
Do you think the fact that your brother is a senior has anything to do with the promotion. I have no idea if that is the case but I could see that being part of the reason. Well, that would be weird. I've coached him every year before this and there have never been any problems. It actually worked out each year that I was one of his main coaches. His freshman and sophomore year, I was his HC. And this past season, I was his O-Line coach. Playing time was never an issue. In fact, he didn't see the field on varsity until 6 games in. That was really touch as a brother to do that to my own blood, but he understood.
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Post by coachd5085 on Mar 5, 2009 19:32:16 GMT -6
Being "disrespected"? Oh lord. Sorry to be blunt, but from the facts you have presented, it is either one of two things: 1) Your HC thinks there are coaches on the staff that are better than you. Generally weak coaches don't realize they are weak (same goes with teachers, or hell, most any profession). 2) Your HC thinks that you aren't quite head coach material, but that he feels more comfortable with you working more independently with his younger players than the current Varsity D-Line Coach. So, he plans to keep his "weaker" coach working with the Varsity D-Line (Not Oline, because that is the spot where the new OC is) under his nose a bit more. This is obviously weighing on you. Be point blank with him. Tell him to be point blank with you. Tell him you view it as a demotion and that you would like to be told, point blank what qualities you are lacking to be a varsity coach. Then, be prepared to hear what you don't want to hear. This is exactly what I initially thought. I thought well maybe I am a weak coach in this guy's mind. A few other coaches received "demotions" as well, and they were thinking the same. I did meet with the HC alone and asked him very bluntly if my performance had anything to do with this. He still said no. He could be a chicken $hit, but who knows? This was more about restructuring the whole staff/program. The varsity HC will now be the JV HC as well. And all coaches will supposedly coach varsity and JV. I still stand by my comment on being disrespected. Without a tad more info, it is hard to comment further. Again, sounds like every coach on staff will be a JV coach and a Varsity Coach. Basically, the JV is simply the Varsity who doesn't play on Friday night. Quite common in many places. With the new OC taking over the OL, that takes care of your "demotion". How were others demoted? More new coaches?
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Post by bcurrier on Mar 5, 2009 23:02:56 GMT -6
Coachden: If you don't mind my asking...how long have you and the head coach each been with this program?
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Post by coachden on Mar 6, 2009 6:39:10 GMT -6
Coachden: If you don't mind my asking...how long have you and the head coach each been with this program? Next season will be my 5th year. It will be number 11 for the HC I believe.
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Post by sbv on Mar 6, 2009 8:55:31 GMT -6
Coach, it makes sense why you were demoted. The new OC came in and coached OL. That bumped you down from the JV HC (because the former OC probably got that title) and you are the JV OL coach because the OC is the varsity OL coach. In your HC eyes, you are the third best Offensive coach which leaves you as the odd man out.
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Post by bcurrier on Mar 6, 2009 16:33:10 GMT -6
Coachden: I don't say this lightly...Based on what you've shared in this thread, it sounds like you need to give serious consideration to moving on to another program -- perhaps after this next season if you feel it's particularly important to stay on to coach your brother for his senior year.
I stand by what I posted earlier in this thread. It sounds like you are working under a head coach who has an ego problem (e.g. makes himself the head coach for both the varsity and JV levels), trouble delegating responsibility, and unable to coach his coaches. He's been there 11 years, you've been there 5, I'm sure at least some of the others have been there as long, if not longer, and yet he hasn't been able to develop any of you enough to be comfortable handing you greater responsibility. He doesn't even seem to be able to articulate a reasonable or rational explanation for the staffing moves he's making. As I wrote before, to have any staying power, loyalty has to be a two-way street. Your HC appears to see it as a one-way street, demanding loyalty of you and your colleagues but unwilling to demonstrate any towards you. (Apparently, he can't even give you constructive criticism on your performance so you know what to do to improve, gain his confidence, and earn the greater responsibility you desire.) It seems obvious that you care a great deal about this program and this is a tough decision. I can empathize a great deal with your situation and I wish you the best as you decide what to do.
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