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Post by darebelcoach on Feb 13, 2009 15:03:50 GMT -6
So, at the Indianapolis rule meeting, this stuff was discussed and clarified and ratified.....so, does this mean the A-11 is alive or dead?
Changes in Rules 7-2-5 and 2-14-2 clarify the numbering-exception rule from when it was originally approved in 1982.
“The definition of a scrimmage-kick formation was clarified to differentiate formations that have been used traditionally for attempting a field goal or kick try from those used for a punt,” Colgate said. “In addition, the circumstances under which the numbering exception can be utilized have been changed to clarify what can be done on first, second, third and fourth downs.”
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Post by ccox16 on Feb 13, 2009 15:08:03 GMT -6
ding dong the witch is dead, which old witch? the wicked witch. ding dong the wicked witch is dead.
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Post by John Knight on Feb 13, 2009 15:13:11 GMT -6
“In addition, the circumstances under which the numbering exception can be utilized have been changed to clarify what can be done on first, second, third and fourth downs.”
No more loopholes!
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Post by coachinghopeful on Feb 13, 2009 15:15:26 GMT -6
So... who's going to join that new A-11 league now that everyone's been demanding?
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Post by coachhensley on Feb 13, 2009 15:24:44 GMT -6
I'll definately join. ;D I mean, it makes so much sense to join a league where everyone runs a offense I don't and High School Football teams have to fly 300 miles every Thursday Night.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 13, 2009 15:35:13 GMT -6
we are in, I hate linemen
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Post by 19delta on Feb 13, 2009 16:29:11 GMT -6
This is from the A-11 website: a11offense.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=129The NFHS changed the SKF rule to say that on 1st, 2nd and 3rd Down, an offense must have at least 4 players wearing # 50 - 79 on the LOS, and only the Center can be wearing an Eligible jersey number, except for on 4th down, then all players can be wearing Eligible numbers, etc.____________________________________________________ Dear Football Coach, Player, Official or Football Fan:
Thank you for your interest and support of the A-11 Offense.
Respectfully, in the Feb. 2009 press release by the NFHS regarding their annual rules change announcement, it mentions the NFHS has changed their definition of a scrimmage kick formation - which is their attempt to ban the A-11 Offense.
As we mentioned earlier, the A-11 Offense is here for good.
It's been well documented by most of the players, coaches and Officials who have actually participated in football games involving the A-11 Offense, that the A-11 games can be properly officiated, and do not provide the offense with an unfair advantage, etc. In addition to the improved safety benefits for the student-athletes utilizing the A-11, it also features many positives listed on our web site under the Position Papers Link at: www.A11Offense.com.
During the last two years as the A-11 Offense has spread across the country, it has been incredible to hear from the thousands of coaches, players, and administrators from the small to mid-sized high schools in America who have been searching for a different style of offense to help their football program be more competitive. And, we've also heard from a variety of schools that are routinely overmatched, based on their own school's enrollment status within their assigned state classification.
With approximately 15,000 high school football programs in (11-man tackle football), and more than One Million student-athletes playing the game, there is plenty of room in America for more than one style of football - the game has and always will evolve for the betterment of each new generation. And, more importantly, as has been clearly demonstrated by many of the A-11 teams nationwide, there is a need for an A-11 style of football too.
Remarkably, this has become a classic landmark case of standing up for the "Little Guy" in football, and we are going to lead the way.
Overwhelmingly, the small to mid-size football programs in America face many of the same challenges we do, and must find ways to adapt. Three years ago, when we submitted our ideas about the A-11 Offense to the NFHS and CIF, before it was declared it Legal to use, we never dreamed it would spread like this, and that other schools in situations like ours would implement the offense as well.
Some very bright people have lent their support, and have been developing solid formats for the continuation of A-11 football. Within the next several weeks, our group will present our own state association and the NFHS with some excellent options. They will be very beneficial and viable alternatives for ANY high school team in the country wanting or needing to utilize the A-11 Offense to help their program. It is our first hope, that the NFHS is able to change with the times and will be most willing to help create an A-11 Football sub-federation within the framework of their existing organization. If yes, then everybody wins, especially the schools like ours nationwide.
Throughout the history of high school football many precedents have already been established. Multitudes of different teams have competed against each other from differing states, leagues or sections, even though they have had differing rules. That has and will continue to take place.
Equally important, for two years, non A-11 teams have been competing against teams using the A-11 Offense with mixed results.
* If your team, your league and/or your entire section would like to retain the right to utilize the A-11, please check our web site for updates, and email us your contact information. There are football programs in America that could care less about the A-11 because they do not face the same challenges we do.
However, there are many schools across the country that want or need to use the A-11 Offense, and we are going to help them by leading the way. |
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Post by coachinghopeful on Feb 13, 2009 17:10:05 GMT -6
Those challenges being that the other teams have better linemen? Where are those teams who don't have to worry about this? I want to coach there!
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Post by coachjoe3 on Feb 13, 2009 17:22:31 GMT -6
Now maybe we can all get back to knocking what is truly evil: the double wing.
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 13, 2009 17:53:22 GMT -6
I have the opposite problem....very talented linemen, and absolutely garbage at the skill positions. I'll will be running the 10+1 Offense next year, 10 lineman and big fullback disguised as a QB running a single wing type offense.
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 13, 2009 18:54:40 GMT -6
This is from the A-11 website: a11offense.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=129The NFHS changed the SKF rule to say that on 1st, 2nd and 3rd Down, an offense must have at least 4 players wearing # 50 - 79 on the LOS, and only the Center can be wearing an Eligible jersey number, except for on 4th down, then all players can be wearing Eligible numbers, etc.____________________________________________________ Dear Football Coach, Player, Official or Football Fan:
Thank you for your interest and support of the A-11 Offense.
Respectfully, in the Feb. 2009 press release by the NFHS regarding their annual rules change announcement, it mentions the NFHS has changed their definition of a scrimmage kick formation - which is their attempt to ban the A-11 Offense.
As we mentioned earlier, the A-11 Offense is here for good.
It's been well documented by most of the players, coaches and Officials who have actually participated in football games involving the A-11 Offense, that the A-11 games can be properly officiated, and do not provide the offense with an unfair advantage, etc. In addition to the improved safety benefits for the student-athletes utilizing the A-11, it also features many positives listed on our web site under the Position Papers Link at: www.A11Offense.com.
During the last two years as the A-11 Offense has spread across the country, it has been incredible to hear from the thousands of coaches, players, and administrators from the small to mid-sized high schools in America who have been searching for a different style of offense to help their football program be more competitive. And, we've also heard from a variety of schools that are routinely overmatched, based on their own school's enrollment status within their assigned state classification.
With approximately 15,000 high school football programs in (11-man tackle football), and more than One Million student-athletes playing the game, there is plenty of room in America for more than one style of football - the game has and always will evolve for the betterment of each new generation. And, more importantly, as has been clearly demonstrated by many of the A-11 teams nationwide, there is a need for an A-11 style of football too.
Remarkably, this has become a classic landmark case of standing up for the "Little Guy" in football, and we are going to lead the way.
Overwhelmingly, the small to mid-size football programs in America face many of the same challenges we do, and must find ways to adapt. Three years ago, when we submitted our ideas about the A-11 Offense to the NFHS and CIF, before it was declared it Legal to use, we never dreamed it would spread like this, and that other schools in situations like ours would implement the offense as well.
Some very bright people have lent their support, and have been developing solid formats for the continuation of A-11 football. Within the next several weeks, our group will present our own state association and the NFHS with some excellent options. They will be very beneficial and viable alternatives for ANY high school team in the country wanting or needing to utilize the A-11 Offense to help their program. It is our first hope, that the NFHS is able to change with the times and will be most willing to help create an A-11 Football sub-federation within the framework of their existing organization. If yes, then everybody wins, especially the schools like ours nationwide.
Throughout the history of high school football many precedents have already been established. Multitudes of different teams have competed against each other from differing states, leagues or sections, even though they have had differing rules. That has and will continue to take place.
Equally important, for two years, non A-11 teams have been competing against teams using the A-11 Offense with mixed results.
* If your team, your league and/or your entire section would like to retain the right to utilize the A-11, please check our web site for updates, and email us your contact information. There are football programs in America that could care less about the A-11 because they do not face the same challenges we do.
However, there are many schools across the country that want or need to use the A-11 Offense, and we are going to help them by leading the way.WHAT COLOR is the Sky in these guys worlds? |
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Post by silkyice on Feb 13, 2009 19:34:56 GMT -6
This is from the A-11 website: a11offense.proboards53.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=129The NFHS changed the SKF rule to say that on 1st, 2nd and 3rd Down, an offense must have at least 4 players wearing # 50 - 79 on the LOS, and only the Center can be wearing an Eligible jersey number, except for on 4th down, then all players can be wearing Eligible numbers, etc.____________________________________________________ Dear Football Coach, Player, Official or Football Fan:
Thank you for your interest and support of the A-11 Offense.
Respectfully, in the Feb. 2009 press release by the NFHS regarding their annual rules change announcement, it mentions the NFHS has changed their definition of a scrimmage kick formation - which is their attempt to ban the A-11 Offense.
As we mentioned earlier, the A-11 Offense is here for good.
It's been well documented by most of the players, coaches and Officials who have actually participated in football games involving the A-11 Offense, that the A-11 games can be properly officiated, and do not provide the offense with an unfair advantage, etc. In addition to the improved safety benefits for the student-athletes utilizing the A-11, it also features many positives listed on our web site under the Position Papers Link at: www.A11Offense.com.
During the last two years as the A-11 Offense has spread across the country, it has been incredible to hear from the thousands of coaches, players, and administrators from the small to mid-sized high schools in America who have been searching for a different style of offense to help their football program be more competitive. And, we've also heard from a variety of schools that are routinely overmatched, based on their own school's enrollment status within their assigned state classification.
With approximately 15,000 high school football programs in (11-man tackle football), and more than One Million student-athletes playing the game, there is plenty of room in America for more than one style of football - the game has and always will evolve for the betterment of each new generation. And, more importantly, as has been clearly demonstrated by many of the A-11 teams nationwide, there is a need for an A-11 style of football too.
Remarkably, this has become a classic landmark case of standing up for the "Little Guy" in football, and we are going to lead the way.
Overwhelmingly, the small to mid-size football programs in America face many of the same challenges we do, and must find ways to adapt. Three years ago, when we submitted our ideas about the A-11 Offense to the NFHS and CIF, before it was declared it Legal to use, we never dreamed it would spread like this, and that other schools in situations like ours would implement the offense as well.
Some very bright people have lent their support, and have been developing solid formats for the continuation of A-11 football. Within the next several weeks, our group will present our own state association and the NFHS with some excellent options. They will be very beneficial and viable alternatives for ANY high school team in the country wanting or needing to utilize the A-11 Offense to help their program. It is our first hope, that the NFHS is able to change with the times and will be most willing to help create an A-11 Football sub-federation within the framework of their existing organization. If yes, then everybody wins, especially the schools like ours nationwide.
Throughout the history of high school football many precedents have already been established. Multitudes of different teams have competed against each other from differing states, leagues or sections, even though they have had differing rules. That has and will continue to take place.
Equally important, for two years, non A-11 teams have been competing against teams using the A-11 Offense with mixed results.
* If your team, your league and/or your entire section would like to retain the right to utilize the A-11, please check our web site for updates, and email us your contact information. There are football programs in America that could care less about the A-11 because they do not face the same challenges we do.
However, there are many schools across the country that want or need to use the A-11 Offense, and we are going to help them by leading the way.WHAT COLOR is the Sky in these guys worlds? Green - the color of MONEY |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2009 19:45:24 GMT -6
If it aint dead it's sure as hell dying
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Post by coachd5085 on Feb 13, 2009 19:49:31 GMT -6
Silky---I would disagree with that. You won't find a more ardent detractor of the offense, nor will you find someone more willing to call out Barnum & Bailey...I mean Bryant and Humphries, but I don't think they are doing it for the profit. The "fame", the "glory", the "bust in Canton, Ohio" maybe. but not the $$$.
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Post by 19delta on Feb 13, 2009 20:11:10 GMT -6
You know what...let them have their sub-federation.
Why, on God's green Earth, would any NFHS team that doesn't allow the A-11 be willing to play a "sub-federation" team that does allow it? Does Kurt really think that coaches at NFHS-rules school are going to be willing to schedule him???
The purpose of the rule change is so coaches at NFHS schools don't have to deal with the A-11. With that being the case, why would an NFHS schedule a game with a school that is going to use this offense?
Doesn't make any sense to me....
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Post by coachcb on Feb 13, 2009 20:43:31 GMT -6
The A-11 started dying a slow death from the first time it was placed on the field.
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 13, 2009 21:37:55 GMT -6
Lanmark case? WTF?
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Post by senatorblutarsky on Feb 13, 2009 22:16:53 GMT -6
If the A-11 is dead- the option will be to create the A-8. There are no numbering requirements in 8 man football. Ever.
Funny thing though, in my (now 7) years of 8 man- I've never seen it (except the trick play from 4 quick where the Right slot walks up, the left SE steps back and the LG is eligible by position. We see that play (Guard out, post, seam, curl... whatever) at least once every year (on film usually).
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Post by kakavian on Feb 13, 2009 23:16:35 GMT -6
I for one, think that banning it is asinine. What harm, really did they do? Yeah there was a loophole in the rules, but hell, they lost in the playoffs to a team running a standard 4-3, and split back veer. It's not like every friggin' A-11 team won a state championship. Not only that but to the officials I talked to who ran the games, it just took a slight bit of extra effort, not all that much. They just needed to make sure the experienced guys went to the wings rather than to the backline.
Seems silly to me to ban it. Like burning books, it just draws attention to the thing in question and makes one wonder why it was such a "naughty" thing.
Only unfortunate thing for me, is now I don't get to try out the defense we had created for it...
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Post by tog on Feb 13, 2009 23:25:15 GMT -6
safety my assssssssss
all it does is provide people with more room to build up speed for more gigantic collisions
i prefer being an ol guy that bashed heads at slower speed every play
good riddance a-27
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i would like to comment more on this
but i have a clinic to go to
lol
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Post by tothehouse on Feb 13, 2009 23:28:17 GMT -6
Interesting this came down on Friday the 13th.
Like walking under a ladder....a black cat ran in front of the A-11 today.
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Post by coachhensley on Feb 14, 2009 1:52:01 GMT -6
safety my assssssssss all it does is provide people with more room to build up speed for more gigantic collisions i prefer being an ol guy that bashed heads at slower speed every play good riddance a-27 and i would like to comment more on this but i have a clinic to go to lol I was always wandering why Kurt Bryan always said "I have a clinic to go speak at" or "I have a interview today" in every one of his posts. |
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Post by spos21ram on Feb 14, 2009 3:15:54 GMT -6
I for one, think that banning it is asinine. What harm, really did they do? Yeah there was a loophole in the rules, but hell, they lost in the playoffs to a team running a standard 4-3, and split back veer. It's not like every friggin' A-11 team won a state championship. Not only that but to the officials I talked to who ran the games, it just took a slight bit of extra effort, not all that much. They just needed to make sure the experienced guys went to the wings rather than to the backline. Seems silly to me to ban it. Like burning books, it just draws attention to the thing in question and makes one wonder why it was such a "naughty" thing. Only unfortunate thing for me, is now I don't get to try out the defense we had created for it... It's the principle of it. It took advantage of a loophole in the rules which it wasn't intended for. PERIOD. I think they did a noble thing by closing the loophole. What would be assinine would be to ban an offense cause they're too good....Not the case here. They banned it because the SKF was not intended for that. |
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Post by John Knight on Feb 14, 2009 7:36:23 GMT -6
It's the principle of it. It took advantage of a loophole in the rules which it wasn't intended for. PERIOD.
I think they did a noble thing by closing the loophole. What would be assinine would be to ban an offense cause they're too good....Not the case here. They banned it because the SKF was not intended for that. I agree 100% |
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Post by CoachDaniel on Feb 14, 2009 8:10:57 GMT -6
It's the principle of it. It took advantage of a loophole in the rules which it wasn't intended for. PERIOD. I think they did a noble thing by closing the loophole. What would be assinine would be to ban an offense cause they're too good....Not the case here. They banned it because the SKF was not intended for that. Exactly, that rule was made so we don't have to have the fat linemen cover on punts, or swap jerseys all over the place or whatever they used to do. I do not have any problem with Bryan finding the loophole, I just don't think anyone should be upset or surprised when it gets closed up. |
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Post by justryn2 on Feb 14, 2009 8:19:00 GMT -6
Bryant and Jefferies make is sound like they're being picked on. Truth is, the exception in rule 7.5.2.b created a loophole that allowed scrimmage kick formation to be used as an every down offense. That was never the intent of the exception and it has been clarified. This was not about banning a particular offense; it was about clarifying SKF numbering exception.
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Post by Coach Huey on Feb 14, 2009 15:00:16 GMT -6
This was not about banning a particular offense; it was about clarifying SKF numbering exception. Thank you ... finally, someone gets it. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Feb 14, 2009 15:14:30 GMT -6
Now that the A-11 is supposedly dead.. can we finally stop talking about it
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Post by redandwhite on Feb 14, 2009 15:25:18 GMT -6
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Post by wingtol on Feb 14, 2009 15:40:16 GMT -6
Silky---I would disagree with that. You won't find a more ardent detractor of the offense, nor will you find someone more willing to call out Barnum & Bailey...I mean Bryant and Humphries, but I don't think they are doing it for the profit. The "fame", the "glory", the "bust in Canton, Ohio" maybe. but not the $$$. I don't know about that since they just released a 150.00 "advanced concepts of the A-11" manual. 140 pages of A-11 for a dollar a page! I have seen lots of books and materials, but 200.00 for the original and 149.00 for the update seems to look like a profit is trying to be made... |
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