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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 5, 2009 10:17:23 GMT -6
Do some of you ever get tired of discussing all of the "we could be so good if so and so would play" kids. I heard it yesterday so many times I finally popped off that "feb 1st was the end of discussing who is or is not playing, if they arent in the weight room, they are obviously not playing" and left it at that.
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Post by tim914790 on Feb 5, 2009 10:32:29 GMT -6
I hear you. I think sometimes we spend more time worrying about the ones we dont have then praising and coaching up the ones we have. I would not stop recruiting the halls but definately I subscribe to the Show Me dont Tell Me Philosophy.
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Post by bigdog2003 on Feb 5, 2009 10:33:33 GMT -6
I coach middle school, and hear all the time so and so is the best player in the school but he is playing rec ball because his dad wants to coach, or he said he only plays basketball or baseball. I told them last year not to even tell me about people that weren't on the team because I didn't care how good they were.
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Post by dubber on Feb 5, 2009 11:03:17 GMT -6
Kids love getting attention they don't have to work very hard for.....
Those type of kids will always be cock teasers.
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Post by bigm0073 on Feb 5, 2009 11:13:36 GMT -6
Touchdownmaker makes some very good points...
I agree with him. I had an end of year meeting with every player in my program for 15 minutes before Thanksgiving. We started working out the Monday after Thanksgiving break (December 1st). We also worked out over Christmas break too...
Now here we are in February... Right now we have already had 29 workouts since December 1st. If I have not seen a kid by now unless he is transferring in from outside - he really is not playing. Lets focus on the good kids in the program who are busting their azz... That is who you win with. I too do not want to hear about who is missing, why......
Lets face it - If you are heading into mid February and kid is not working out and around the program is he REALLY a legit football player... I am sorry I just do not see the need for kids like that.
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Post by dubber on Feb 5, 2009 11:51:37 GMT -6
I usually have some fairly rude comment for those types of arguments. no!
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Post by ajreaper on Feb 5, 2009 12:03:34 GMT -6
I occassionally hear that- but thankfully not to often. My comment is generally along the lines of "he's a Jr. in high school and when he takes off his shirt he looks like a 12 year old boy- how could he possibly survive the 1st week of contact much less help us?"
You always can have more kids on your team if not to much is asked of them however that does not mean you'll have more players. You win with players.
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Post by superpower on Feb 5, 2009 13:13:25 GMT -6
Good posts here. One valuable lesson I learned in about my 3rd year as a head coach was to quit worrying about the ones who weren't there and coach the ones who were there. It was presented to me with a lesson about what kind of message coaches send to the kids who are there when all the coach does is complain about the kids that aren't there. It got my attention and helped me to focus on the kids who wanted to do what it takes to be good football players.
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Post by knighter on Feb 5, 2009 14:37:52 GMT -6
Stop bitchin' about who SHOULD be there and start COACHIN' the ones who ARE there. (simple way of saying what superpower said)
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 5, 2009 15:50:53 GMT -6
Exactly. I gave that speech to my kids and coaches last year and we are nipping it in the bud this year. I was on a couple of the quitters yesterday and one of them it seemed told his friends that hes not playing this year because a) he wants to go to camp during august two a days and b) I have him slated to play offensive line instead of fullback (eyes rolling just about out of my head).
the fastest way to get rid of a cancer is to tell him "youre on the line" ha ha.
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Post by ajreaper on Feb 5, 2009 16:13:43 GMT -6
I have a point system I use during th eoff season and among the ways kids aquire points is attending afternoon workouts, our zero hour class every morning, scheduling appointments with your counselor to go over graduation requirements, SAT test, NCAA clearing house info etc. Something new I added was a reading list and I required that they read one book and write a one page paper on it - they had from Jan 5th to July 23rd to do that. I hadone senior to be quit because he "already has a English class where he has to do that so what's the point of my asking him to do the same thing?"
I replied the point is if it makes you and others like you who think so little of the game, your teammates and the program that you'd quit because reading "a" book and writing "a" paper over a 7 month period is to much of a burden, quit right now then I've made us a "better" football team by removing some dead weight.
The look on his face was priceless.
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Post by kcbazooka on Feb 5, 2009 16:33:42 GMT -6
We recruit recruit recruit until the first day of practice and then we stop and concentrate on the boys we have --- we discourage talk about how good we would be if so-and-so went out. that goes for the coaching staff as well as the players.
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Post by coachcb on Feb 5, 2009 17:49:32 GMT -6
I have a point system I use during th eoff season and among the ways kids aquire points is attending afternoon workouts, our zero hour class every morning, scheduling appointments with your counselor to go over graduation requirements, SAT test, NCAA clearing house info etc. Something new I added was a reading list and I required that they read one book and write a one page paper on it - they had from Jan 5th to July 23rd to do that. I hadone senior to be quit because he "already has a English class where he has to do that so what's the point of my asking him to do the same thing?" I replied the point is if it makes you and others like you who think so little of the game, your teammates and the program that you'd quit because reading "a" book and writing "a" paper over a 7 month period is to much of a burden, quit right now then I've made us a "better" football team by removing some dead weight. The look on his face was priceless. THAT IS AWESOME!!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2009 19:15:03 GMT -6
I could write the text on the subject, I love when a 12 yo's parents tell me I'm killing his "career".
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 6, 2009 4:30:54 GMT -6
have you guys noticed that kids just love when a coach comes down hard on a kid who is a chest thumper? I have a kid who would tell his teammates in jr high "thats all me baby" after running for a score (even on wedge plays???) and they respected his talent but couldnt stand his ego. I have a pretty good plan in place to get this one to recognize "its not all him" lol. Just wait til we "run wedge" and his linemen just lay down. haha.
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Post by tiger46 on Feb 6, 2009 6:21:35 GMT -6
I coach youth football. My son gets the 'might gonna play' and the 'I would dominate if I played' trash talking kids all the time. These boys think they'd be good at real football because they're good at BS recess tag football at school and backyard football at home. I've taught my son several variations on answers. But, it goes about like this. kid: 'I'm so good blah, blah, blah" son: 'Do you put on pads and a helmet?' kid: 'No. But, I could if I wanted to' son:(shrugs) 'Then you don't want to. So you're not any good.' Walks away.
Touchdownmaker, I have a swift way of dealing with the 'it's all me' RB's, also. My o-line has veto power over any RB. They can boot his a$$ right off the field at any time during practice or in a game. Our starting TB tested their patience in a game once by whining about blocking. During a time-out, they informed me that he no longer had the privilege of running the ball behind them. I took him out of the game and rotated another kid to his position. We marched down the field and scored. The whole time, the kid was pouting and whining to me, 'What I do coach?! Why am I out?!' We both knew what he had done to pi$$ off his o-line. But, I would shrug at him and say, 'I don't know. And, I don't care. But, if our o-line doesn't think you're good enough for them; then you're not good enough. You get replaced. No questions asked.' When I finally let him run the ball again after half-time, his ego and attitude had been properly adjusted. He performed brilliantly. None of the RB's ever got uppity again after that. It even got filtered to the parents not to say a thing to my o-line or about my o-line within ear-shot of me- especially if their kid ran the ball. Had one kid's dad and another kid's uncle learn that lesson.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Feb 6, 2009 6:28:32 GMT -6
I coach youth football. My son gets the 'might gonna play' and the 'I would dominate if I played' trash talking kids all the time. These boys think they'd be good at real football because they're good at BS recess tag football at school and backyard football at home. I've taught my son several variations on answers. But, it goes about like this. kid: 'I'm so good blah, blah, blah" son: 'Do you put on pads and a helmet?' kid: 'No. But, I could if I wanted to' son:(shrugs) 'Then you don't want to. So you're not any good.' Walks away. Touchdownmaker, I have a swift way of dealing with the 'it's all me' RB's, also. My o-line has veto power over any RB. They can boot his a$$ right off the field at any time during practice or in a game. Our starting TB tested their patience in a game once by whining about blocking. During a time-out, they informed me that he no longer had the privilege of running the ball behind them. I took him out of the game and rotated another kid to his position. We marched down the field and scored. The whole time, the kid was pouting and whining to me, 'What I do coach?! Why am I out?!' We both knew what he had done to pi$$ off his o-line. But, I would shrug at him and say, 'I don't know. And, I don't care. But, if our o-line doesn't think you're good enough for them; then you're not good enough. You get replaced. No questions asked.' When I finally let him run the ball again after half-time, his ego and attitude had been properly adjusted. He performed brilliantly. None of the RB's ever got uppity again after that. It even got filtered to the parents not to say a thing to my o-line or about my o-line within ear-shot of me- especially if their kid ran the ball. Had one kid's dad and another kid's uncle learn that lesson. Yknow what? that is one of the most brilliant things I have ever seen written on any forum, maybe ever. I love this and am going to use it.
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