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Post by coachbdud on Feb 2, 2009 1:02:37 GMT -6
Anybody else think there was a super bowl conspiracy tonight. I am not even a Cards fan but i saw several calls or non calls that made me say WTF!!! I saw at least 3 instances where i thought for sure they would give Roethlisberger an intentional grounding, but they never did. The biggest of which was on the play they gained 15 yards due to a roughing the passer. I felt he was still in pocket and no one was within 20 yards of where he threw it Also at the end of the game... how do you not even review the so called fumble. I watched it about 10 times. I am convinced Warner was throwing the ball. you can see his arm move forward. Steelers Owner was one of Obama's biggest campaign supporters/contributors... I think this was clearly a case of a government conspiracy that goes all the way to the top
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Post by airattack on Feb 2, 2009 1:29:05 GMT -6
One of the worst officiated Super Bowls I have seen. I'm not even a Cards fan either. How do you not reveiw that last play for the Cards?
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Post by coachinghopeful on Feb 2, 2009 1:29:34 GMT -6
LOL. I agree with you. So many weird calls against the Cards the whole game long, and that 18" penalty on Harrison for fighting was a travesty. Still though, I think we're pretty OT on this. Unless someone out there knows how the Steelers got the refs on their side and how other coaches can do it, too
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Post by airraider on Feb 2, 2009 6:13:58 GMT -6
Im a big conspiracy theorist from way back.. I just KNOW Odonell threw those picks to Dallas on purpose.. lol..
It did however look as if Warner turned to run to the sideline as soon as he let that pass on the goalline go.. as if he knew he had to make it look good on the missed tackle.. ;D
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Post by cnunley on Feb 2, 2009 6:32:30 GMT -6
Im with everybody on here so far. Not a Cards fan at all, but COME ON. The 3" penalty on Harrison was a joke. The roughing the passer. I didnt really like the 'roughing the holder' call. And you know, I could almost let those calls go if you at least review the most important 'fumble' in SB history. I was on the couch waiting for the replay review to be over and Pitt takes a knee?!?! WTF REF. The more I watch it the more I'm thinking it was probably a fumble....but lets take 10 seconds and officially review it please.
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Post by bulldogoption on Feb 2, 2009 7:26:07 GMT -6
::)Conspiracy theory? ? Anyone who would be involved in something like this would be getting paid a lot...............and anybody with those morals would sell out to the first higher bidder to sing their song. This is as bad as sports/talk radio. A bunch of fat men criticizing the play of professional athletes and coaches. YGBFKM How about we talk about some of the plays that ACTUALLY happened. IMO that interception return was one of the greatest plays I've ever seen in my life. Right up there with Marcus Allen's run against the redskins.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2009 7:32:49 GMT -6
No conspiracy. We all know that you could just about call a holding on every play. If the fix was in then Fitzgerald's TD would've been called back for an offensive holding. A few plays before that picked up big yards would've come back because of a hold downfield (remember Troy Polamalu was asking for the call).
Steelers win. Steelers win.
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Post by coryell2009 on Feb 2, 2009 7:39:57 GMT -6
I think the game would have been more interesting if they had penalized Holmes 15 yards for using the ball as a prop in a celebration..which would have given them 15 yards on the kickoff. I would also like to see that 'fumble' reviewed. Would the Cardinals have won if those two officiating errors were called properly..who knows especially when you have one of the best jumpball WR's in the game. I've said this twice about the Steelers of the modern age: In 5 years no one will even remember that they were the champs..except Steeler fans. I've never been on the side of old school fans when they preached dominance. I miss that. I want dominance in football again. Especially pro football....
Now on to the actual plays that happened. The interception was a result of a bad play call. I was speaking to my family/friends...thinking fade to Fitzgerald 2 times......and they come out with a slant I believe....when I saw they weren't running a fade....I yelled out NO! You throw the fade twice and take the FG. Harrison's play was great, but have QB's ever thought about falling down in front of the defensive train on the sideline....at least make them stumble over you.
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Post by wingt74 on Feb 2, 2009 8:06:52 GMT -6
I believe the game was called fine. But I was watching the game with some people who aren't huge football fans...and with nephews (age 14-17)
Every time one of the below happened, the kids, and my brother / sister-in-law who don't know the rules details said the following
The facemask call "How is THAT a 15 yard penalty??"
The rough the passer call "15 yards for THAT?!
The call on the "was it a fumble" or wasn't it. "Ok, I don't know the rules, but THAT was a fumble
The downfield holding call "He barely touched him, how was that holding?"
The non-call on intentional grounding "OH C'MON!! That, can you just do that!?"
Each time I had to explain to my family what the rules are.
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Post by olinecoach61 on Feb 2, 2009 8:11:58 GMT -6
::)Conspiracy theory? ? Anyone who would be involved in something like this would be getting paid a lot...............and anybody with those morals would sell out to the first higher bidder to sing their song. This is as bad as sports/talk radio. A bunch of fat men criticizing the play of professional athletes and coaches. YGBFKM How about we talk about some of the plays that ACTUALLY happened. IMO that interception return was one of the greatest plays I've ever seen in my life. Right up there with Marcus Allen's run against the redskins. You presume we are all fat, one could make many assumptions about you. Harrison's run back doesn't even trump last year's Tyree catch so settle down.
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Post by groundchuck on Feb 2, 2009 8:29:34 GMT -6
I am not a fan of either team. I guess if I had to root it would have been for the Steelers.
I think the Cardinals final play should have been reviewed. It was, after all, the biggest game of the year. A few more minutes to make sure the officials got it right would not have hurt anything.
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Post by coryell2009 on Feb 2, 2009 8:38:50 GMT -6
I just think dc, that in that situation, against that defense, and you without a run game, you take your two shots with high jumpballs, and if you miss them both you still have the FG. Yeah, you were right, they were giving up that play, but you have to believe that the DC has seen that you have been eating them alive with that play, and that in a crucial moment he would take that away. It was a mistake and that's something that all coaches will make.
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Post by brophy on Feb 2, 2009 8:39:13 GMT -6
wow. I thought it was a great game (despite the final outcome). The only calls even worth questioning were the Dansby RTP and Wilson's RTH calls. I thought they DID review the final 'fumble'....? The only conspiracy is the commercialization of the game. kick.........commercial..... 1 series, 2 series........commercial... 3 plays, challenge.........commercial.... challenge ruling, play, time out.........commercial.....
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Post by kcbazooka on Feb 2, 2009 8:51:02 GMT -6
Yes, there was a conspiracy - did you realize all of the refs graduated for the same college as the Rooney family. The replay official was a staunch Democrat who gave money to the Obama campaign. Unless you saw the blimp view you probably didn't notice the the end zone did not go in a straight line but instead veered out to make more room for that last catch -- Tampa Bay -- lots of pittsburgh retirees live in the Bay area...
seriously, I think the worst call was the roughing the passer call -- Rothlesberger(sp?) is a BIG guy who repeated fought his way through arm tackles - to call that and extend the scoring drive was the wrong call.
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Post by coryell2009 on Feb 2, 2009 8:51:23 GMT -6
As far as it has been discussed that they didn't review the final call. I have the game on my Tivo and you can clearly see one ref telling some of the Steelers after they took the knee that it wasn't over,,,,but then he gets bumrushed.........and the game was over. Also per the NFL rules using the ball as a prop in a celebration is a 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct to be enforced on the kickoff. No call. I'm really not a fan of either team.
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Post by spreadattack on Feb 2, 2009 9:02:10 GMT -6
Now on to the actual plays that happened. The interception was a result of a bad play call. I see that play completely backward. I see that as a play Pittsburgh had been giving them all the way down the field...being patient as a defense/DC...and when they needed 2-3 yards at a critical time...they took it away. Personally, I think a few jumpballs to Fitzgerald would have been the call too...but hard to fault the play call and Warner...that play had been there the whole first half and they had hit it every time when they needed it... I agree too. LeBeau had a great call. I couldn't tell if it was a type of man with Harrison as a drop-off rover/floater, or if it was a true zone-blitz, but either way they gave them the all-out blitz look, Harrison stepped up towards the OT, then dropped off right in the throwing lane. Warner had heat on him and thought he had an easy TD on a quick-pick type slant/under combination. He didn't. If not for the 4th quarter, that play was one of the biggest plays in NFL history. It was basically an 11-12 point play; if you have the ball down there your expected points run to about 4-5 points, and instead he ran it back for a TD (even bigger since if he was tackled the half was over). Ended up being the difference in the game too. That said, in turns of single play swings, the fourth quarter saw: (a) the long Fitzgerald TD, which was huge, (b) Santonio Holmes's long catch and run which put them on the 5, which basically ensured victory (again your expected points down there runs to about 4-5), and (c) his fantastic TD catch. www.advancednflstats.com/2009/02/incredible.htmlThat's the game probability swings. Look at how huge those plays are. The graph is of a team's chance of winning based on field position, score, who has the ball, and time remaining. He has been doing this all season. (Does not take into account if, say, the Steelers are more talented than Cards, etc. More generalized but still fascinating.) The game turned on those three plays.
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Post by coryell2009 on Feb 2, 2009 9:17:52 GMT -6
Wow. It was a great playcall by LeBeau but I still have some fault with Wisenhunt/Haley for not putting the ball up for grabs with Larry Fitzgerald twice and 'settling' on a FG. Is it a guarantee? No. But I feel much safer lofting the ball high and letting Larry try and sky for it than I do running some combination of slants. Especially at the goal line.
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Post by lsrood on Feb 2, 2009 10:32:40 GMT -6
dc,
The irony of Harrison's interception is that it was supposed to be an all out blitz, but he dropped on his own (he admitted it and LeBeau said the same thing) thinking they were going to run a slant. LeBeau said in the Pittsburgh papers this morning that it was just Harrison being a football player using his instincts and making a big play. Fits into his philosophy of putting his players into position to make the plays and turning them loose. Also shows that it sometimes pays to be lucky.
All in all it was an unbelievably exciting game between two teams that showed great heart and determination. I am a die-hard Steelers fan, but Arizona earned my respect through their play. This was one of those games that was going to be tough for either team to lose. My hat's off to both teams for a great game, and if you listened to or read the comments of both teams after the game, it was refreshing to see mutual respect and humility from both of them. No excuses, no whining, no me first, just gracious winners and losers who showed great class.
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Post by coachsky on Feb 2, 2009 10:44:25 GMT -6
I'm not buyin into the conspiracy theory. It was a great game.
All I have to say is that the NFL is pretty lax when it comes to personal fouls and ejections. Maybe I am wrong but I thought when you go from chesting up and bumping (personal foul), to throwing fists, that the player is supposed to be ejected.
I saw three cases where it looked to me that the Steeler player was throwing a punch after the play. On two or the plays the player received a personal foul, on the other play (punt return) there was no call.
I know in HS all three of those plays would have drawn an ejection.
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Post by tothehouse on Feb 2, 2009 11:04:07 GMT -6
How about this call?
The call not to go for a TD early in the game and kicking the field goal. I turned to my wife and said....."that will come back and haunt Pittsburgh". Gal darn, if it almost killed them in the end. I was screaming for Pitt to go for it and Madden was playing the conservative card. Jam that in there, go up 7-0 on your first drive and make a statement. Might have kept Arizona from making any comeback attempt if they're up 28-7. And BTW....great catch by Holmes....MAN!!!
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Post by brophy on Feb 2, 2009 11:04:58 GMT -6
Here is your conspiracy.... Janet Jackson touched off a national firestorm over a fleeting glimpse of a nipple. Springsteen crams his junk into the camera and no one says peep. Where’s the outrage, man?
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Post by 2leegit on Feb 2, 2009 11:28:08 GMT -6
The funny thing? Harrison wasn't supposed to be there. Of course, that's what they said about him when he was scuffling to make an NFL team.
Harrison's responsibility on the play was to cover the running back, Tim Hightower, when he flashed out of the backfield. Instead, Harrison dropped into what was actually a pick play being run by Boldin and fellow receiver Larry Fitzgerald.
"He certainly wasn't supposed to draw up to get the slant on Fitzgerald," explained defensive coordinator Dick LeBeau. "But he was in the area for sure, and James' instincts just took over. And that's why James is the Defensive Player of the Year in the league. He's just a football player."
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Post by coryell2009 on Feb 2, 2009 11:57:44 GMT -6
I just think dc, that in that situation, against that defense, and you without a run game, you take your two shots with high jumpballs, and if you miss them both you still have the FG. Yeah, you were right, they were giving up that play, but you have to believe that the DC has seen that you have been eating them alive with that play, and that in a crucial moment he would take that away. It was a mistake and that's something that all coaches will make. and I think you thinking that way separates you from about 98% of the OC's we play against. (do you coach offense?) LeBeau got them with perceived pressure...Harrison had been coming off that edge all night, showed it, dropped in the window. I would also like to add, I blame part of that INT as the receiver's fault, on the replay you can see the receiver cut behind Harrison, he has to cross his face...at least I think he should have, he had to know he was the #1 route in the pattern. I guess that is a compliment....at least I'll take it that way. There are a number of reasons I would've thrown the fade in that situation. One major factor was the fact that the O-Line had trouble all night holding them back. Which in that situation then leaves with a couple of options as far as the pass game goes on the goal-line. Slants. Fade. And maybe a pass out to the flat to the RB. Looking at the Cards personnel versus Pittsburgh's team..I would have taken those shots and taken the FG. That would hae been my thinking in that situation. But of course, I'm sitting in my living room while those guys are making calls in the heat of the moment. I guess my philosophy is one that I like to score but I won't waste an oppurtunity to points up on the board at the end of the half. Was it a great play by Harrison. Yes...one of the most clutch plays I've seen in a while.
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Post by coach4life on Feb 2, 2009 12:26:02 GMT -6
One thing I saw left me puzzled. Block in the back applies in pass protection right? I know it's been called on us before so I'm purty sure it does, but I saw several times when Ben was doing his thing, darting (can a guy that big dart?) all over the place when a Steelers OL clearly blocked a DL in the back after which they got a big completion.
Roughing the passer was bad, the holding call that benefited Ward was ridiculous (sometimes you have to be able to feel where a guy is, that's just good D in football, basketball, really any other sport), not reviewing the end of game fumble, surely they must have. A very poor job by the crew.
Bottom line, Harrison makes a great play and the Cards don't get him on the ground. Do that, the half is over, no points, and the Cards likely win. And what a great job the Cards D did when the Steelers had 2 opportunities down close and they held 'em to a field go. Great effort by both squads and both are to be commended...
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Post by red on Feb 2, 2009 13:01:32 GMT -6
I must have been Drunk but how is that,,,, not a clip on #34 (Arizona) on about the 30. Isn't a push in the back on the guy that is in position to make a tackle a clip?
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Post by magknights11 on Feb 2, 2009 13:10:15 GMT -6
The funny thing? Harrison wasn't supposed to be there. Of course, that's what they said about him when he was scuffling to make an NFL team. Harrison's responsibility on the play was to cover the running back, Tim Hightower, when he flashed out of the backfield. Instead, Harrison dropped into what was actually a pick play being run by Boldin and fellow receiver Larry Fitzgerald. "He certainly wasn't supposed to draw up to get the slant on Fitzgerald," explained defensive coordinator thingy LeBeau. "But he was in the area for sure, and James' instincts just took over. And that's why James is the Defensive Player of the Year in the league. He's just a football player." Does anybody want to inform Coach LeBeau of his new first name?
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Post by Fishbone on Feb 2, 2009 14:11:35 GMT -6
I must have been Drunk but how is that,,,, not a clip on #34 (Arizona) on about the 30. Isn't a push in the back on the guy that is in position to make a tackle a clip? Wondered same thing myself...
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