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Post by eaglemountie on Jan 25, 2009 16:19:12 GMT -6
A member of our staff has recently been "caught" doing/saying things to community members, faculty, parents and administration that could be considered quite detremental and could have possibly lead to the firing of the previous head coach.
Now he is applying for the job and has an interview. I cannot see myself working for someone I cannot trust nor do I feel as though he deserves to even be considered (DC for 4 years given up over 30 points a game). Bad mouths the program, other coaches, undercuts coaches to kids.
What should I do? Will my concerns as an assistant fall on deaf ears, if I go to the AD?
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Post by 19delta on Jan 25, 2009 16:46:16 GMT -6
A member of our staff has recently been "caught" doing/saying things to community members, faculty, parents and administration that could be considered quite detremental and could have possibly lead to the firing of the previous head coach. Now he is applying for the job and has an interview. I cannot see myself working for someone I cannot trust nor do I feel as though he deserves to even be considered (DC for 4 years given up over 30 points a game). Bad mouths the program, other coaches, undercuts coaches to kids. What should I do? Will my concerns as an assistant fall on deaf ears, if I go to the AD? I wouldn't say anything. If the guy is as much of a tool as you say, the AD and administration knows. If they hire him despite that, shame on them. Consider it to be doing you a favor if they hire someone of such low character who hasn't really produced positive results because this is NOT the kind of place you want to coach. Don't stoop to his level...you risk looking as bad as him. My guess is that it will take care of itself in the interview process. |
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Post by davecisar on Jan 25, 2009 16:52:08 GMT -6
Dont worry, only the Minnesota Gophers would ever hire someone to coach that has averaged giving up 30+ PPG LOL.
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Post by bigm0073 on Jan 25, 2009 18:17:15 GMT -6
Take the high road and if they hire him MOVE ON.... I am sure if your school has ANY kind of backbone or clue they will not hire that ass clown....
If you go the other way you may look petty and small....
These guys are everywhere though.
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Post by ram7gm on Jan 25, 2009 18:41:53 GMT -6
Definitely don't say anything, unless you're asked by the principal or AD and then it'd be best to give an honest answer obviously.
But don't stoop to his level. It could work as a good test for you... if he's hired, then you know for sure that that is NOT a school you want to coach for!
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 25, 2009 18:58:35 GMT -6
What do you mean by he has been "caught?"
Did you receive this information 2nd handedly or did somebody he talked to actually let everyone know about this coach's backstabbing ways?
IF he was doing this it sounds like all of the coaches who want to remain should confront him to see what his take is. If he as spineless as your post makes him seem, he shouldn't get the job and probably should be on his way out the door.
Guys like that usually put themselves in their own place very quickly.
Personally, I would confront him with some hard evidence.
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Post by eaglemountie on Jan 25, 2009 19:06:58 GMT -6
Evidence: 1) He was going to the AD during the season and basically lying about numerous experiences with bad language and how coaches were out of control.
2) He was given a job to do last spring (putting up a weightroom leaderboard) and it was never accomplished until the previous coach was let go. Constantly says he cares only about the players but it seems as though his personal agenda is more important (as pertaining to this situation, many more like it).
3) Told numerous community members/parents/players/coaches that eventhough he was the DC, it was not his defensive scheme nor was he using the personnel he wanted.
Coached players differently from what HC wanted, didn't fulfill daily responsibilities, etc.
All of this was told directly to myself, the HC and other coaches by parties mentioned above.
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 25, 2009 19:25:53 GMT -6
I'd confront him because sometimes individuals like him can make himself look really good to an administration especially if nobody is clueing them in (no news is good news syndrome).
If the admin is clueless somebody needs to tip them off.
Leave the parents out of it but bring the admin into it and at the same time let the man respond to what you have found out.
You can still do these things and still be on the high road. If you do nothing because you don't want to appear like a tattle tell, then you are basically condoning his actions.
If you don't you may end up regretting it.
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Post by eaglemountie on Jan 25, 2009 20:49:28 GMT -6
sometimes individuals like him can make himself look really good to an administration especially if nobody is clueing them in (no news is good news syndrome). quote] Which is exactly what he has accomplished. Has a strong relationship with administration and faculty therefore this news might be seen as false. Which also makes me nervous to try and inform these people as I fear my future with the school. |
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Post by 19delta on Jan 25, 2009 21:46:09 GMT -6
Don't do it Coach...don't do it!
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 26, 2009 4:11:43 GMT -6
Evidence: 1) He was going to the AD during the season and basically lying about numerous experiences with bad language and how coaches were out of control. 2) He was given a job to do last spring (putting up a weightroom leaderboard) and it was never accomplished until the previous coach was let go. Constantly says he cares only about the players but it seems as though his personal agenda is more important (as pertaining to this situation, many more like it). 3) Told numerous community members/parents/players/coaches that eventhough he was the DC, it was not his defensive scheme nor was he using the personnel he wanted. Coached players differently from what HC wanted, didn't fulfill daily responsibilities, etc. All of this was told directly to myself, the HC and other coaches by parties mentioned above. hmmm. IF the hc gave this guy assignments that were not being completed and he is still around then perhaps the HC really was a weak leader. When the leader is weak, the result is insubordination. What is the history between this DC and the HC? Does the hc have a history of throwing his assistants under the bus? |
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Post by jpdaley25 on Jan 26, 2009 6:39:33 GMT -6
You might try some middle ground. Go to the AD and say that if that guy gets the job, you will be moving on. This should invite the question, "Why?" If he doesn't ask why, then he already knows. If he does ask why - now you have to decide what to say. If it were me, I would simply say that I'm not interested in working for that individual and let him deduce the rest. Now, through your actions, you have alerted the AD that there's a problem, and you haven't stabbed anybody in the back. All you have done is made a statement of what he can expect from you.
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Post by wolfden12 on Jan 26, 2009 8:56:40 GMT -6
Keep your mouth quiet. If he is hired, then let yourself make the right decision and move on.
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Post by eaglemountie on Jan 26, 2009 12:17:17 GMT -6
Evidence: 1) He was going to the AD during the season and basically lying about numerous experiences with bad language and how coaches were out of control. 2) He was given a job to do last spring (putting up a weightroom leaderboard) and it was never accomplished until the previous coach was let go. Constantly says he cares only about the players but it seems as though his personal agenda is more important (as pertaining to this situation, many more like it). 3) Told numerous community members/parents/players/coaches that eventhough he was the DC, it was not his defensive scheme nor was he using the personnel he wanted. Coached players differently from what HC wanted, didn't fulfill daily responsibilities, etc. All of this was told directly to myself, the HC and other coaches by parties mentioned above. hmmm. IF the hc gave this guy assignments that were not being completed and he is still around then perhaps the HC really was a weak leader. When the leader is weak, the result is insubordination. What is the history between this DC and the HC? Does the hc have a history of throwing his assistants under the bus? The history b/w the two is that they coached together at another school that went to the state finals but the HC was the OC and the DC coached middle school (which is probably the level he should be coaching now). The DC has been loyal to the HC until recently. The HC is very loyal to assistants and fights for them on a regular basis. |
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Post by kirk on Jan 26, 2009 23:58:47 GMT -6
I was recently "let go" of my coaching job. One of my assistants never seemed to show a great deal of loyalty and other coaches mentioned that he seemed to have his own agenda. This assistant is the only coach coming back and he has been pimping hard to take over as the head coach. I don't know what relationship he has with the administration, but there are a lot of rumors flying around. Anyways, not trying to steal the show, but what I believe in is that what goes around comes around. Your guy will get his, its only a matter of time, even if he does get the job, someone like him will go down in a blaze of fire eventually, dont go down with him. Be patient, and something better will come out of it. There are already good possibilities opening up for me, there will be some for you.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2009 9:46:35 GMT -6
You have the choice to coach there or not, the administration has the choice who to hire, that coach had the choice to talk. Let them make their choices and then you make yours. Remember, Hurricane Carter was arrested because he was fingered as a murderer. . .by a guy who was robbing the place. In other words, if you go and tell info on this guy, the administration may view you in the same light as him and not want either of you.
But it brings about an interesting question. If there is a largely ineffective head coach who continually loses games though he has good talent, mishandles responsibilities, and isn't doing a very good job, should everyone sit idle and watch it happen? Sure, the assistant can choose to go elsewhere, but is that the only answer? Do any of you feel like an assistant EVER has a right / duty to inform admin about things like this (violence, etc. not withstanding).
Just curious. Personally I work for a guy who could go 0-10 for the next 5 years and I'd still buy in to what he does.
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Post by Coach Unk on Jan 28, 2009 11:40:20 GMT -6
I would see if they hire him and if the admin does, leave. Because clearly they (the admin) has different values than what you have making it harder to work at that place.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2009 17:43:42 GMT -6
But does that always have to be the answer? If you don't like it then leave? Shoot, we all tells kids to get on their teammates butts if they don't work hard, we tell them you're not goign to like everyone you work with, we tell them to be proactive and take responsibility. We tell them not to quit once they make a commitment. But it seems like a quick solution to say that if you don't like the guy they hire then leave.
How about helping the admin make the right decision? How about owing the kids. If they hired the wrong guy why not stick around and help out YOUR kids so they can have some kidn of success?
Call me Don Quixote ready to take on the windmills, but personally I think that we empower weak administrators by leaving them like that. I guess I'd rather be a thorn in their side than to walk away. Then again I've done this for 17 years and have won a few championships and probably won't coach at any other school again. But when I leave my current position I'm going to make darn sure that it was in better position than I found it and it was in good shape then.
Sincerely, Don Quixote
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Post by brimanning on Jan 29, 2009 8:32:30 GMT -6
You definitely have a tightrope to walk.
While going straight to the admin could come off as the same as what he has been doing (backstabbing/talking behind someone's back), it really depends on your relationship with the AD. If you don't have a good relationship with the AD, that could easily blow up in your face.
On the other hand, what is the backstabber's relationship with you? Though you may disdain him (I don't blame you!), if he trusts you, it could give you the opportunity to shield the players and the program from his potential damage. However, given that he sounds like a snake, how he acts towards you could be completely different from what he thinks of you.
Not that you want to make the jerk look good, making yourself good while becoming a better coach and helping the team before he self-destructs (which people like that inevitably do) is another option.
Fighting him or leaving don't have to always be the only options (obviously, none of us know your situation as well as you do), but you never know when a non-obvious option could really pan out the best for you or your team.
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