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Post by NC1974 on Jan 7, 2009 14:14:02 GMT -6
This post is related to the other post about weightroom attendance for coaches. It got me wondering what the norm is. So here is the question: If you're a head coach, what are your expectations of your assistant coaches concerning weightroom attendance in the offseason i.e. how many days/hours per week? If you're an assistant, what are your head coach's current expectations for you? Additionally, do your expectations change depending on whether your coach is paid/un paid, in building/out of building, coaches other sports etc?
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Post by cc on Jan 7, 2009 14:18:54 GMT -6
I think exectations do change depending on what you listed.
Basically though, if you really want to win your coaches should be there, paid or not, in house or not.
Paid - be there Unpaid - If you can
In building - be there Out of building - if you can
Other sports - not unless you want to
Main thing is to get a commitment from the coaches on what they WILL DO. Don't assume they will show up and get pissed when they don't.
Make it clear. Is it part of their job?
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 7, 2009 14:22:22 GMT -6
I am an assistant. Our HC hasn't really spelled out expectations. To me, either your a football coach or you're a slappy, which is fine by me.. just don't expect me to repect your opinion when you have no skin in the game. That being said I can understand if you don't make weights sometimes or if your are coaching another sport. Interestingly. everyone "LOVES" to go to the "clinics". You know who they are.. They have their 30 pack on top of their suitcase. Now I like to have a cool drink now and then but I am there to learn. Can't do it if I am ready to puke.
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Post by NC1974 on Jan 7, 2009 14:51:28 GMT -6
I am an assistant. Our HC hasn't really spelled out expectations. To me, either your a football coach or you're a slappy, which is fine by me.. just don't expect me to repect your opinion when you have no skin in the game. That being said I can understand if you don't make weights sometimes or if your are coaching another sport. Interestingly. everyone "LOVES" to go to the "clinics". You know who they are.. They have their 30 pack on top of their suitcase. Now I like to have a cool drink now and then but I am there to learn. Can't do it if I am ready to puke. Coach respectfully, this is one of the things that I take issue with. If you choose to coach basketball, you can miss weights. Okay that's cool. Basketball is important to you and a worthy endevaor. But what if I choose to get home to pick my kids up from school or take them to the library etc., then that's not an acceptable reason to miss. Now that being said, I don't want to over state my argument. I do see the value of being in the weightroom, I'm just venting a bit I guess. |
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Post by touchdownmaker on Jan 7, 2009 14:58:06 GMT -6
Spelling out the expectations is everything. I have been around long enough to work for coaches who spell out absolutly nothing. (they then throw assistants under a bus if something isnt done?) hey, you want something done you either do it yourself or hire someone to do it.
I know a guy, just got a coach of the year award and he hates the weight room and wont put time in there. He has his staff do fundraisers so they can all pay an off season weight room attendant who takes care of all that stuff. Its different, interesting and seemingly good for morale on the staff as everyone sort of comes and goes all off season. Does it really work for them? I dont know. They are only moderately successful as it relates to wins. I think they golf and coach other sports instead.
I once interviewed for a job, really wanted it until the Header said that they did game planning for EIGHT HOURS EVERY SUNDAY EVENING. Seemed like too much bs time for me and really cut deep to the core of my values. I wasnt willing to do that for a coaching job. I lost an opportunity and so they lost a coach. The coach resigned the following season.
There probably should be some sort of balance between pay and expectations when it comes to assistant coaches. Find your motivated "core" of coaches just as you do your players. I would bet that most HC have a right hand man that they lean on more than the others.
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Post by cmow5 on Jan 7, 2009 15:21:44 GMT -6
I am an assistant. Our HC hasn't really spelled out expectations. To me, either your a football coach or you're a slappy, which is fine by me.. just don't expect me to repect your opinion when you have no skin in the game. That being said I can understand if you don't make weights sometimes or if your are coaching another sport. Interestingly. everyone "LOVES" to go to the "clinics". You know who they are.. They have their 30 pack on top of their suitcase. Now I like to have a cool drink now and then but I am there to learn. Can't do it if I am ready to puke. But what if I choose to get home to pick my kids up from school or take them to the library etc., then that's not an acceptable reason to miss. I would say that depends on how often is training. Right now we go Tuesday and Thursday only and that is two hours. I dont see any good reason to miss these, but yet yesterday was the first one and we had 3 coaches not there and 2 where defensive coach's(BTW we had one of the worse D in the league last year) There is NO reason to miss one of these if you cant put in 4 hours a week in the offseason then something needs to change. Now if it is everyday training and once in while you need to get your kids and go to the Library or wherever then I see no problem with that as long as the header knows in advance. I dont think football should rule your life, but it should be a big part of it. |
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Post by NC1974 on Jan 7, 2009 15:36:43 GMT -6
Good point Cmow. Yeah, when I say all off season, I'm picturing Mon-Friday. Twice a week, would be much more doable in my opinion
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Post by ftbll7801 on Jan 8, 2009 10:24:03 GMT -6
But what if I choose to get home to pick my kids up from school or take them to the library etc., then that's not an acceptable reason to miss. I would say that depends on how often is training. Right now we go Tuesday and Thursday only and that is two hours. I dont see any good reason to miss these, but yet yesterday was the first one and we had 3 coaches not there and 2 where defensive coach's(BTW we had one of the worse D in the league last year) There is NO reason to miss one of these if you cant put in 4 hours a week in the offseason then something needs to change. Now if it is everyday training and once in while you need to get your kids and go to the Library or wherever then I see no problem with that as long as the header knows in advance. I dont think football should rule your life, but it should be a big part of it. No offense but how does twice a week benefit the actual reason for off season, which is to make gains. |
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Post by cmow5 on Jan 8, 2009 11:05:53 GMT -6
I would say that depends on how often is training. Right now we go Tuesday and Thursday only and that is two hours. I dont see any good reason to miss these, but yet yesterday was the first one and we had 3 coaches not there and 2 where defensive coach's(BTW we had one of the worse D in the league last year) There is NO reason to miss one of these if you cant put in 4 hours a week in the offseason then something needs to change. Now if it is everyday training and once in while you need to get your kids and go to the Library or wherever then I see no problem with that as long as the header knows in advance. I dont think football should rule your life, but it should be a big part of it. No offense but how does twice a week benefit the actual reason for off season, which is to make gains. If it was up to me I would go at least 3 times a week, But I think the Header knows he will have trouble getting coaches and kids to show up twice a week, so why go more. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 8, 2009 13:01:45 GMT -6
Do you guys do anything on the other days. Running? Plyo's? We go 4 days a week so maybe there is something to just going three days. BTW don't mean to hijack thread but which three days do you lift (ie do you lift on Friday?)
Wished I lived in KY as I am more of a Bourbon guy
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Post by tvt50 on Jan 8, 2009 14:05:17 GMT -6
Monday Wed Thursday is the way to go if you do 3. Nobody likes to stay on Fridays, sorry some of us do but it helps our numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2009 14:55:18 GMT -6
Right now, we do Monday through Thursday. Small school program, so we only have five total coaches INCLUDING the HC. Two are offcampus and can't make it. They do adjust their schedules during the season, but it's not feasible to do it year round. Us other three work in the building. The HC rarely goes to the weightroom and I only check in about midway through to see who is there.
But, it works for us--the guy who runs our program absolutely lives for it--I think he likes coaching weights more than coaching football and it gives me and the HC (the two main offensive coaches) time to chalk talk after school which we've been doing almost every day now that school is back.
Also, the numbers are manageable for one guy to handle as almost half our returning players are either basketball players or wrestlers.
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Post by CoachCP on Jan 8, 2009 15:08:41 GMT -6
Personally, I believe there should be some sort of rotation among the coaches if you have numbers. I'm a big believer in family, and I expect a coach to take care of their first family before their second, which is hopefully us. But I can't hold anything against a guy who has to work, or take care of his kids, or something of the like. Doing a rotation just makes the most sense.
By doing a rotation, say Joe Shmoe runs it on Mondays or runs it week 1, 5, and 10 of the off season, thats better than anything else. This way, he can hopefully spend time with his family along with us when we need him.
Expecting a coach to be there every day or for 3-4 weeks in a row is ridiculous, in my opinion, when I ask him to give me so much time from June or July through November (hopefully!). That is almost half a year with us. He should spend minimal time, hopefully, the rest of the time. He has a life too, and I firmly believe a coach does better in-season when he's been able to connect with his family for an extending amount of time in the off-season.
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Post by realdawg on Jan 9, 2009 9:58:20 GMT -6
Here is my understanding of the matter. You would love to have all of your kids in weights during school. Some of us do. We usually have alot but not all. The rest have to come after school M-Thur. If a kid misses alot of these he is not committed and you dont want him around. If he has to miss one every know and then well, you understand. Same for coaches. If you have to pick your kid up from daycare once in a while hey it happens thats understandable. But if you are never there I dont want you around me. How can you expect the kids to be dedicated if you are not? How can you expect them to be there every day if you are not? What kind of example are they seeing.
As far as spending time with family, as a father I have always thought that QUALITY time with my family was far more important than QUANTITY OF TIME. I mean I would rather spend 2 hours of really good interaction with my kid than a whole day of sitting on the couch doing nothing with them. Besides my girl usually takes a nap when she gets home from daycare with my wife, and they usually are waking up just when I get home.
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Post by realdawg on Jan 9, 2009 10:25:27 GMT -6
Honestly, maybe-depending on how some things work out here, but not in Ohio! My wife and I went to Gettysburg after Christmas and she forbid me from moving any farther north due to the cold weather!
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 9, 2009 11:09:52 GMT -6
Moved from Ma to VA... man what a difference
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Post by coachgeorge51 on Jan 9, 2009 11:15:18 GMT -6
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Post by coachcb on Jan 9, 2009 11:30:49 GMT -6
If you are in the building and not involved in another extra-curricular activity, you need to be involved in the after school weight training program. Most schools require you to be in the building until 4-4:30pm anyway, I would think you'd prefer to spend it in the weight room. If, as a teacher, you're walking out of the door with the kids every day, you're not fullfilling your professional obligations in two areas.
Now, I understand that life happens to us all; there are times when you can't be in around after school. But, you should want to be in the weight room, spending time with your kids and showing your committment. Enthusiasm is contagious and the kids will pick up on it.
Here's a question for you though; do you want a coach to be involved just to be involved? I mean, if a coach is going to come in to the weight room afterschool and screw around, do you still want them there? If the kids see a coach coming to just to socialize and not much else, what message does that send to the kids?
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Post by coachgeorge51 on Jan 9, 2009 12:14:31 GMT -6
I wouldn't stand for that in my assistant coaches. We have a policy of not "talking football" in the weight room. We ALL only work directly with the players. Encouragement, technique, lifting connections to football, charting, and keeping the tempo at a fast pace. Some coaches will lift with the players and that is great as well. I choose not to so I can monitor the entire room as the head coach.
All players have to get their training chart signed out by a coach each day and we have the next year's seniors address the team each day. On Friday's a different coach brings in a motivational handout for the players and discusses it's importance. Provides good discussion. Today will be the poem, O' Captain, My Captain......and discuss the concept of leadership in the face of fear.
It's not about "just being there" It's about teaching young men what it takes to be a champion - process for success. If you have coaches just hanging out then that is tragedy for kids.
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 9, 2009 19:21:59 GMT -6
Coach
You must do what works best for you and hopefully you've received some great ideas from others that you can start with.
Here is what we do.
Winter Lift - HC (Me), OL, RB coach are in the weight room fulltime after school from 2:30 to 4:00 every Mon, Tue, Thur, Fri. Our players follow a strict program.
Spring Lift - Same situation. Each of us gets a stipend for being there but we would be even if we didn't.
Summer - We have 12 coaches and 10 are able to take on weight room responsibilities - We have 3 coaches at each summer session that run the same days of the week as Wtr/Spring but the sessions are in the mornings.
The coaches that can't make it? (usually because of family responsibilities) We give them a few extra things to take care of during season.
Our staff gets along and for us this works and so far nobody has cried "foul."
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Post by phantom on Jan 9, 2009 20:12:43 GMT -6
We don't lift on Friday either. We go M-W-TH with an optional/makeup day on Tuesday. We stopped Friday workouts years ago and now we have a lot fewer attendance problems. I have to admit that the coaches like it too. After going at it seven days a week during the season it's nice to get out early for the weekend. |
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Post by MaineManiac on Jan 9, 2009 20:15:39 GMT -6
We lift Monday, Wednesday, Thursday. Different coaches cover the weight room each day. Mostly it is our varsity staff, but our frosh staff takes a day here and there.
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Post by along on Jan 9, 2009 21:14:55 GMT -6
Question for everyone! DO you have Weight training classes for athletes only? We have an athletic P.E. Class where we do inseason, off season, speed agility and everything. meetings walk throughs, everything we need to do. This is the way every large school is in Alabama. DO you have this?
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Post by phantom on Jan 9, 2009 21:28:44 GMT -6
Question for everyone! DO you have Weight training classes for athletes only? We have an athletic P.E. Class where we do inseason, off season, speed agility and everything. meetings walk throughs, everything we need to do. This is the way every large school is in Alabama. DO you have this? No. |
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Post by along on Jan 9, 2009 21:30:55 GMT -6
I love it phantom!
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Post by newhc on Jan 9, 2009 22:10:33 GMT -6
We are don't have that in at school either. It is something that we are trying to do. Just have those that do scheduling, and other stuff on board with why we need.
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Post by along on Jan 9, 2009 22:49:54 GMT -6
sell it to them that it will help the kids with homework and yada yada...got to get it. Gets twice as much mental stuff during the season
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Post by Coach Huey on Jan 10, 2009 1:44:26 GMT -6
we are very fortunate here in texas to have an athletic period. all our coaches are in the period. it's a class. there are no "expectations" other than to be a coach ... we are fortunate. now, we have to give up some things in the summer (a little) that other states have but i wouldn't trade it for what we got.
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Post by dg1694 on Jan 10, 2009 9:34:23 GMT -6
we are very fortunate here in texas to have an athletic period. all our coaches are in the period. it's a class. there are no "expectations" other than to be a coach ... we are fortunate. now, we have to give up some things in the summer (a little) that other states have but i wouldn't trade it for what we got. Amen to that. Plus, with power lifting and track, you're able to have QB School |
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Post by k on Jan 10, 2009 9:52:24 GMT -6
During the winter/spring we go three days a week and have one varsity coach there each day to supervise the weight room. The kids run on their own (and shockingly they do w/o being prompted). 2 - 4ish.
During the summer we lift four days a week and again a different coach is there every day. 5-7ish.
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