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Post by Coach Bennett on Jan 6, 2009 8:05:25 GMT -6
So, a few weeks ago a coach on the board slyly asked if I perhaps coached in Kansas. I bit, said no, and informed him that I coach in upstate NY. He replied, "I thought so!" (Nice one ampec).
I feel like it's not that big of a deal since I see so many coaches marketing their schemes through video, etc. However, it does make me a little bit leery in working out the finer points of what we're trying to do.
Question is: do you care if your one of your opponents knows who you are, the questions you ask and the feedback you provide from this board or any other resource for that matter?
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Post by jpdaley25 on Jan 6, 2009 9:27:17 GMT -6
If you swap film, there aren't too many mysteries. Most of the time, I know exactly what the other team is going to do and when - that doesn't mean I can stop it. Gene Stallings said "schemes don't win games. Players making plays wins games." I believe that.
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Post by jpdaley25 on Jan 6, 2009 9:30:48 GMT -6
Continued - so it doesn't matter to me if people know who I am and what I'm studying on this board.
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Post by trojan on Jan 6, 2009 9:36:37 GMT -6
Have you checked out out the flexbone forums? (http://flexbone.proboards76.com/index.cgi?)
The coach who runs the board has everyone register by their real name.
If you register, you'll receive an email with his rationale. Very professional and reasonable.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 6, 2009 9:39:03 GMT -6
I'm usually vague. But if you play us, and look at my avitar sometimes you'll figure it out. Maybe now I will change my avitar.  The comment about exchanging films is true. I was at a clinic, and was talking to a coach in our conference. I asked him specifics about a play he runs and his route concepts. He told me more than I would have expected. |
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Post by superpower on Jan 6, 2009 9:52:40 GMT -6
Last March I got some very good pass defense concepts from a coach who is in our league. It made a huge difference for us. He was very helpful.
I don't mind if people know who I am on here. They have a pretty good idea of what we are going to do week in and week out. We attempt to create the mindset in our team of this is what we do and everyone knows it, so let's see if they can stop it.
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Post by brophy on Jan 6, 2009 9:53:22 GMT -6
knowing what you COULD do, HOW you could do it is one thing.
knowing WHO is going to do it is another.
I think it involves your comfort level. I could care less, because knowing the above things really is no mystery and soon or later we all have to adapt (and have an answer for the worst case). The bottom line comes down to individual player execution, anyway.
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Post by ajreaper on Jan 6, 2009 10:29:27 GMT -6
I wish I had enough free time to worry about that.
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Post by satch on Jan 6, 2009 10:37:05 GMT -6
Don't mind sharing at all. I use most of my real last name anyhow. This is all about learning to be better at what we do. I know plenty of coaches that are reading espn right now instead of trying to learn more.
Again I think it comes back to being able to teach what you know and use what you know with the kids you have. Believe me, i rarely get to use my entire playbook. We all have some stuff we "could" use if we had some better players, but the good ones use what their kids that year can handle well.
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Post by coachweigelt on Jan 6, 2009 10:54:02 GMT -6
knowing what you COULD do, HOW you could do it is one thing. knowing WHO is going to do it is another. I think it involves your comfort level. I could care less, because knowing the above things really is no mystery and soon or later we all have to adapt (and have an answer for the worst case). The bottom line comes down to individual player execution, anyway. Coach Brophy, hopefully you look excactly like in your ava. Otherwise I'm really disappointed ;D To the topic, no I do not care if the coach knows me. In germany it is very common that coaches know each other and most have good relationships together knowing what the other one does. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2009 11:20:29 GMT -6
I wish I had enough free time to worry about that. Amen, if they scout, and you don't change much from year to year...they already know what you run. I try to mix it up but I know they're out there (here too) Teams in our league scout each oher to death anyway, I even beleive they film our practices which is illegal. If I know it's them I don't give them anything to go on, ( I may even mislead them a bit---Ok ALOT) However I do think it's funny when I come upon some of their old posts where they were asking how to stop our old offense, just saw one on here the other day...Groundchuck was the only one who replied...nice to know we had them that rattled back then |
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Post by jpdaley25 on Jan 6, 2009 11:57:39 GMT -6
When I was a young coach, before the season started, I used to keep what we were doing a state secret, have closed practices, show very little in scrimmages, and try to get the advantage of surprise on that first opponent. It never made a difference. If the other team was better, we lost no matter how "surprised" they were. All of that is just a big waste of time. Being tricky and clever and secretive doesn't win games, execution does.
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Post by buck42 on Jan 6, 2009 15:02:12 GMT -6
They have film or even they send a scout before the season starts to your scrimmages...we talk about X's and O's but it is really boils down to blocking and tackling, alignment and assignment...
It does not matter to me one bit...
Even if they know what you could run does not mean that you are gonna run it...and they certainly do not know when you are going to run it...
It really comes down to coaching points to me...sure I want to learn concepts and plays and ideas...but to me it is more of the teaching tips and the way to relate information to players to get the best out of them...what works for him might not work for you...
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Post by touchdowng on Jan 6, 2009 21:33:02 GMT -6
Not sure if this is a true story or not but I heard that the former Kentucky basketball coach, Adolph Rupp, use to send his playbook out to all of his opponents prior to the season.
He informed his players that he had done this so they'd better execute to perfection.
Sounds like a great story but there's a lot of truth to others knowing more about ourselves than we'll ever know if they do their homework.
I wouldn't worry about it. You can also set people up by having them know too much. Soon, they'll second guess themselves and then you're in their head.
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Post by Coach Bennett on Jan 7, 2009 6:55:46 GMT -6
Great replies everyone. Since I started the thread, I'll play devil's advocate here. Since many of you have usernames that are not your given one, did you start out on this board thinking anonymity was the way to go?
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Post by 50Murf on Jan 7, 2009 7:53:50 GMT -6
I am just a junior high/grade school coach (7/8th grades) so I really have no secrets, I am always looking to learn, and I could care less if people know it is me or not. I have no secrets.
Very interesting post. Anytime I PM somebody on here I try to make sure to let that Coach know who I am, where I coach at (Chicago), what level I do coach and that I am a "part time Coach" my real job is a cop (50). I guess I do this because I do not want the other coach to think I am stealing secrets, or an opponent, or anything else that is not on the up and up. Also, the Internet is so informal, and you can not do a proper handshake on-line, at least not yet. So I just like to let people know who I am.
So basically, I know who I am and what I am looking for (help/knowledge/etc) but I do not know if the other Coach will feel okay sharing, especially if I was a future opponent, but I see with some of you that makes no difference.
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Post by newhc on Jan 7, 2009 20:33:19 GMT -6
I really don't care if someone knows who I am or not. I really believe that is about my kids more than it is about my scheme. This my football site screenname.
I would say that when I started on this board I thought that I could be anonymous.
But football coaches are everywhere. I think that we all try very to learn from each other.
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Post by coachjaz on Jan 7, 2009 22:51:40 GMT -6
why hide who you are? I'd actually like to know who MORE people are so that ideas are shared more openly.
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Post by cmow5 on Jan 8, 2009 0:31:21 GMT -6
I dont hide it my ID is cmow5 my name is Corey Mowery. Only time I was a little concerned was when I would post about a problem with other coaches I coach with, but then I thought even though I told them about this site and Coach Slack talking to us about this site while eating lunch at a clinic I know they wont join besides maybe a few that I know want to get better. Hate to say it but the other few I think are there for the wrong reasons.
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Post by superpower on Jan 8, 2009 9:54:43 GMT -6
My username is our base play, but my location certainly gives away my identity. I am not worried about who knows my identity here at all.
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Post by dc207 on Jan 9, 2009 15:32:41 GMT -6
AS far as coaches go, no everybody pretty much knows what everybody else is doing anyway. Unless they don't prepare, which case why worry about that tyope of team?
But administrators and jackass-types from our area up to now good? No, I'd rather they not know the type of questions I sometimes have on this site. We're going through some stuff right now with a vice-principal, and I do not want anything I've detailed online becoming her knowledge. Make sense?
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