sin86
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Post by sin86 on Jan 5, 2009 23:21:16 GMT -6
You guys gave me some great advice on an earlier thread, so I thought I might see if you could help me again.
I was offered the job today as the HC for the school I have been coaching at for ten years. We are a small rural middle school with players in the sixth, seventh, and eighth grades. We were 6-18 over the last three years but could have been 16-8 just as easily.
Problems 1. Fundamentals are not good- I feel like this is mostly due to a lack of individual time by the previous head coach. We spent 90% of our practices in team. Suggestions on Practice Organization? 2. Participation- We are having trouble getting a lot of kids out that could help us. 3. Coaches- I don't have access to a lot of coaches that are fundamentally sound. 4. Athletic Ability- We are not the most athletic team by any stretch of the imagination. We have a lot of heart though.
Qualities 1. Support- With the parents I get I can raise a whole lot of money for stuff. 2. Facilities- We have the nicest facilities. 3. A High School Staff- Will probably become more involved.
I have a lot of stuff planned such as really concentrating on fundamentals for each position so that I can coach the coaches and I plan to get the high school staff to also help on this. Planning practices that are more competitive and have a fun teambuilding component. Sending as many players as I can to camps that are designed for their position. Looking at DSQA for QBs and Hawgtuff for the O-Lineman our two weakest areas last year. The 5th and 6th grade little league team has asked me to be the head coach there also, this would give me four years to develop my players.
I have a lot of things in the planning and contemplating stages but if there is anyone out there who has been down this road let me know how you did it. Any suggestions greatly appreciated.
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Post by coachdoug on Jan 6, 2009 13:29:40 GMT -6
Coach - sounds like you're on the right track. I agree that your #1 priority should be practice organization - you don't want any wasted time and you want to make your drills competitive and fun. Search posts by Dave Cisar - he has a lot of great info on organizing and planning practices. Also, Brophy has posted some practice plans in the past as well. In a nutshell, if you have 2 hr practices, I would shoot for something like:
> 5-10 Minutes - Dynamic Warmup (try to make the warmup something football related) - don't go any longer than this.
> 10-15 Minutes - Blocking & Tackling
> 45-60 Minutes - Indy Sessions. If you only have one other competent coach, just split into line and backs. If you have more, you can split it up further. Work on fundies, installations and review assignments. Later on, you do more involved things like 7-on-7.
> 5 Minutes - Water Break
> 10-15 Minutes - Team Installations/Assignment Review/Run Plays vs. Air
> 15-20 Minutes - Scrimmage.
> 10-15 Minutes - Team Building/Competitive Excercises - This should be fun stuff that gets the competitive juices flowing. You can do things like relay races, but stuff that's more directly football related is better like fumble recover contests, blocking contests (whoever moves their opponent off the mark wins), etc.
If you run your practice at an up-tempo pace and don't have a lot of standing around time listening to coaches talk or waiting in line, the entire practice will be conditioning and there will be no need to waste time running sprints, doing up-downs, etc. ...
Participation will take care of itself once the word gets around that playing on your team is fun - and if you have some success on the field it will happen that much faster.
Finding good assistant coaches is always a challenge. You have the right idea, though - if you can find enthusiastic, dedicated guys, you can coach them, and having the high school staff help will be a big benefit.
I wouldn't worry too much about athletic ability. Put your kids in the best scheme to take advantage of their skill set, coach em up, and you'll have success - you may not win a championship, but you'll win your share of games.
Good luck to you coach.
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Post by coachtut on Jan 6, 2009 15:07:44 GMT -6
I think you are definitely on the right track. Indy's and freeze and fit drills are what make successful teams in most cases. Just the fact that the old coach spent so much time in team explains the sub-par record.
Good luck coach and congrats!
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sin86
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Post by sin86 on Jan 6, 2009 16:05:18 GMT -6
Thanks, for the quick responses.
coachdoug - Your practice plan is very similar to the one I had been working on but I like the idea of cutting down on the warmup and putting more time into the individual period.
coachtut - I had completely forgot about freeze drills. I did these all the time when I was coaching the line back in the day when we would win a few. One of the best drills for correcting footwork.
I will admit that I am not one of those type of coaches to get in your face and yell and shout, so I don't know how the kids will respond to this. We have always had a screamer and yeller for a HC.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Jan 7, 2009 16:28:50 GMT -6
If your coach was yelling and screaming at the players in an abusive way, that might be part of the reason your participation is so low. Kids don't like being yelled at. Everybody loves a guy who's enthusiastic, pumped, and upbeat, but screaming at kids for screwing something up they probably just don't understand is not a good idea IMO. Sounds like you're on the right track to getting this thing turned around.
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Post by coachbush1525 on Jan 7, 2009 18:59:06 GMT -6
sin, I'm about to be put in roughly the same position. Our school has never had a 6th grade team, and they are about 65% sure they are going to start one next year, and that I'm going to be offered the HC position. I was going to start something very similiar to this thread, but you beat me to it. Thanks to coachtut and coachdoug for your great responses. I've already decided to schedule practices just like this, or something very similar.
Coach Bush
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Post by canesfan on Jan 7, 2009 23:24:49 GMT -6
I believe that if you want to be successful coaching at any level, especially youth aged kids you have to emphasize fundamentals. They need to know how to do things on the field, and IMO i think they also need to know why. I think if they understand what you are trying to teach them they are more inclined to listen instead of just doing things their way. Also, I would say be very organized as Coach Doug said, this will allow you to have more pracitice time and kids wont just be standing around, most importantly it will be more fun for you and the kids. Also, I would say, if you're not a screamer, don't try to be. It's really not a good thing in the first place, and you have to be yourself. I may be mistaken for a screamer by people who aren't at up close, but I'm just intense, and they kids know this and respond to this very well. If they are playing hard and hitting I let them know about it. I'm probably a little more extreme than most, as I'm a pretty young guy (21) and I'll do whatever it takes to make practice as beneficial as it can be. For instance, one muddy rainy day they kids were complaining a little, so i took my shoes and sox off and got right into the mud with them, no one complained after that. How could they? They seem to really like that. I don't think being a mean old screamer has ever helped anyone win a game or helped a kid play better. Most of the time they play worse. I guess what i'm trying to say is to establish a good middle school program you need To be the best role model you can: Encourage the students both athletically and academically. I think their is a correlation to how hard players work on the field to how hard the work in the classroom. This is one of the most important things you can give them. Also to have Work on the fundamentals Organization Enthusiasm Make it fun Make you scheme as simple for them as possible. K.I.S.S.
Too get more players I think these things will go along way. If kids see that playing on the football team is fun they will want to play. Give it a year or two, i think your numbers will increase. Also, go and recruit yourself. I think alot of kids don't know if they want to play until you ask. For these kids, they are either gonna play or not and it's up to them, but i think asking kids to give it a try really helps.
Hope this helps coach.
-Canesfan
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Post by angryman27909 on Jan 8, 2009 12:23:44 GMT -6
coach i was in the same situation as you are a few years ago. the first thing i worked o was yelling. as much as i could to the coaches. 1st. coach the coaches and get them to expect excellence and mental fortitude. if they walk thats good for you, its thats type of weak mindset that has your program losing. 2nd coach the mom's, i started a football for mom's program to get the mothers to understand football better and if i was yelling at their kid the knew why or what responsibilities he broke. 3rd coach the parent on proper behavior expected from them and what you will not accept. regardless of how many times they complain to the principal or AD 4th coach your school, principal and AD on support and understanding the mindsets you need to win. wining happens when excuses are eliminated. to do that the kids must take responsibility for action and executing the scheme. when they don't I'm on them, when the coaches dont perform to standard im on them and when im not performing i let them get on me. they (we)cannot have a place where they can turn to that make incompetents an o.k standard. don't run to the teachers, parents, principals a.i., a.d. etc. telling them I'm a mean coach. heck, i know I'm a mean coach that why I'm now winning...lol. I'm big on making sure the kids know I'm in charge. all complaints about coaches are never address in front of the team. remove the possibility of that age group manipulating any situations. 5th WIN at first its doesn't need to be a lot of win but you must be competitive, no more blow out. win your respect, i tell them
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Post by coachorr on Jan 8, 2009 13:16:23 GMT -6
Qualities 1. Support- With the parents I get I can raise a whole lot of money for stuff. 2. Facilities- We have the nicest facilities. 3. A High School Staff- Will probably become more involved.
Strike while the iron is hot, this sounds like a great situation. More importantly, these are the things that make the foundation for a great future, now you need to make your idea come to fruition with leadership, involvelment and consistency across the grades. Drive it down the elementary and youth leagues.
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Shotgun1
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Post by Shotgun1 on Jan 8, 2009 21:03:38 GMT -6
All of the points above are excellent! One way to drum up excitement for next year is have 3-4 days of flag football before school breaks for the summer. It is a great way to have a permission slip with all the kids info including home phone, address, and emails so you can remind them about the season and send reminders about physicals and stuff. We also have an open practice every tue night in the summer for 6th-9th grade where football fundamentals are reviewed along with some agility work then we play ultimate football or flag football.
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sin86
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Post by sin86 on Jan 8, 2009 23:41:29 GMT -6
Thanks Again, for the many good suggestions.
Shotgun1 - Going to take the flag football idea and run with that one for sure. Maybe try to organize a 7 on 7 passing league for later summer.
Coachorr - Spoke to the HS HC and he has offered the services of himself and his assistants until they get into their season. The headcoach has seen the talent that is going to be coming up from the lower levels and realizes that his future depends on them both being developed and excited about football.
Angryman - I believe the administration whom fully support our highschool headcoach is willing to do whatever is necessary to make football a positive experience. The super wants middle school numbers doubled with as much participation as possible and good fundamentals. Even said that the wins weren't as important as having a positive impact on our players. Parents are the ones that have always been the hardest part of this program. Most have never played football and can't see the difference between their player who can't walk and chew chewing gum and a kid who can put himself into position to make plays.
Canesfan - will Keep It Simple for Sure
Coachbush and Coachinghopeful - Thanks for the words of encouragement.
To be honest our talent level is on the rise over the next couple of years and most of the others in the conference are on the decline. This should make finding success possible if we work harder than everyone else.
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Post by canesfan on Jan 8, 2009 23:49:40 GMT -6
Well good luck coach. I'm sure you'll do fine.
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Post by angryman27909 on Jan 9, 2009 11:41:03 GMT -6
sin86 that is why i started a football for mom's program to get the family to understand the x's and o's. also have a mom every week on the sideline from the classes. once they feel the stress of the game they are impressed how well coaches handle it and can get something done. get dads to tell you all their "great football plays" and help coach if/when they can. you may never use the play(s) they give you, just tell them you did and how well its worked. everytime i think of using that one i laugh. i cant beleive all the football guru's in stands dont know better. but nomatter what make sure the parents dont challenge you in fornt of their own kids. if they do bench the kid or send the kids home. oh, keep a pair of boxing gloves in you car and dont be afraid to use them....lol
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Post by canesfan on Jan 9, 2009 23:41:02 GMT -6
Angryman,
That one gave me a chuckle as well, because it is SO TRUE. I had a parent tell me that I knew nothing about offensive football and gave me 3 pages full of plays. Never mind his plays never had the same amount of players on the field (anywhere between 7-15 offensive players at a time) and his favorite play was out of what looked like an I formation. He wanted our 4th grade center to snap the ball low and between the legs of the QB and the Fullback, and then to run a flee-flicker type deal with that.
Confused? So was I. Great play on paper I guess, but that would be hard (nearly impossible) for the Patriots to do, let alone my non-select 4th grade team.
Still though, just looking at that garbage got him off my back for a few weeks. And strangely it also led to a crazy little trick play that worked for us. I don't know if it was legel though.....Ah, none the less the joys of Youth Football are endless.
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Post by angryman27909 on Jan 19, 2009 8:15:31 GMT -6
lol, we must be in the same neighborhood coach cane. real funny stuff
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Post by canesfan on Jan 19, 2009 22:15:46 GMT -6
yeah, thats youth football for ya.
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Post by coachorr on Jan 19, 2009 23:55:31 GMT -6
86, that sounds like a real good start, good luck.
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Post by davecisar on Jan 24, 2009 20:54:13 GMT -6
Angryman, That one gave me a chuckle as well, because it is SO TRUE. I had a parent tell me that I knew nothing about offensive football and gave me 3 pages full of plays. Never mind his plays never had the same amount of players on the field (anywhere between 7-15 offensive players at a time) and his favorite play was out of what looked like an I formation. He wanted our 4th grade center to snap the ball low and between the legs of the QB and the Fullback, and then to run a flee-flicker type deal with that. Confused? So was I. Great play on paper I guess, but that would be hard (nearly impossible) for the Patriots to do, let alone my non-select 4th grade team. Still though, just looking at that garbage got him off my back for a few weeks. And strangely it also led to a crazy little trick play that worked for us. I don't know if it was legel though.....Ah, none the less the joys of Youth Football are endless. I ran a play like that out of the DW in 2002, snapped between QBS legs to a FB wedge, QB ran option fake with motioning WB. Did the same in 2004 with a SW team, put "QB" under center and ran it nearly same way but with QB optioning with deep back. First time we ran it, 60 yd TD no one touched our FB on his wedge run. Funny as heck to watch. We calles it "wahcky wedge" ;D Sigourney Keota Iowa HS ran this as their base offense for 4-5 years and won several state titles with it. They ran it as a Single Wing Spinner series, wild stuff. Maybe thats where he got it.
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Post by canesfan on Jan 25, 2009 20:08:33 GMT -6
Maybe coach. I think what you are talking about is not only feasible, but effective and potentially potent. It would seem to be nothing more than a direct snap. But, add two different sets of bodies and legs for the ball to go through and I don't know about how the results would be. Especially if you mixed the flee-flicker action with it. As for getting it from somewhere, I seriously doubt it. I think this guy had a screw or two loose. Anyways, outside of his threats to physically harm me, he was always kinda funny.
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Post by coachevk on Jan 30, 2009 9:05:43 GMT -6
I highly recommend looking at Dave Cisar's materials and posts. His site is . Also, check out a game film system from www.watchgamefilm.com, one of his partners. It will save you tons of time and greatly improve team preparation and player technique. Their game film system lets you share game film and scout film privately online with assistant coaches, players and parents. They're about to come out with something that allows Coaches to make comments throughout game film so players can review coach comments while reviewing film in formal film session or at home.
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