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Post by cc on Jan 5, 2009 18:05:48 GMT -6
Just curious what other coaches use as their thought process for the 1st playcall of the game.
ie) On offense, are you conservative and see how they line up or do you try something tricky or new to mess them up?
ie) On Defense do you play base and see what they are trying to do (does it match your scouting?) or do you go after them right away?
Are you a take what they give you coach or are you take what I want coach?
Generally, I play it safe, see what they are doing, and don't do something off our normal plays as I know the kids nerves can mess things up. Let's take a run at them on offense and see if we can push em back, and let's play base cover 3 on defense and chase em down.
BUT of course there have been some games that call for something special...
ANYWAYS, just asking what your general philosophy is for calling your 1st O and D play of the game.
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Post by pbids on Jan 5, 2009 18:20:58 GMT -6
We played a team that ran the flexbone under center for years and years. They ran in it in all their games last year, in the scrimmages we scouted this year and in pregame of our game. Then on their 1st offensive play they line up in spread gun. The get a bad snap on the 1st play and we recover and score. Then on their next offensive play, spread gun again and the QB drops the snap and we recover and score again. We were up 14 - 0 before they went back to their normal offense.
What I'm saying is don't try doing something out of the ordinary unless its something you've practiced it enough to consider it a normal part of the offense. ESPECIALLY if its on the 1st play of the game. You might wind up like the team we played.
My first play is usually the one we practiced the most during the week. And it's also snapped on a long count to A) read the defense they've practiced all week and B) try to deflate their adrenaline by drawing them offsides on the 1st play.
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Post by spreadattack on Jan 5, 2009 18:58:26 GMT -6
We played a team that ran the flexbone under center for years and years. They ran in it in all their games last year, in the scrimmages we scouted this year and in pregame of our game. Then on their 1st offensive play they line up in spread gun. The get a bad snap on the 1st play and we recover and score. Then on their next offensive play, spread gun again and the QB drops the snap and we recover and score again. We were up 14 - 0 before they went back to their normal offense. What I'm saying is don't try doing something out of the ordinary unless its something you've practiced it enough to consider it a normal part of the offense. ESPECIALLY if its on the 1st play of the game. You might wind up like the team we played. My first play is usually the one we practiced the most during the week. And it's also snapped on a long count to A) read the defense they've practiced all week and B) try to deflate their adrenaline by drawing them offsides on the 1st play. Agree. I don't know about putting so much emphasis on the first play. Usually just want to find something that we can execute, maybe throw a shift in there or something (that said sometimes your own kids are so jacked up they get tight and make a mistake). Usually you just plan on the plays for your script of plays/looks you want to show and think you can execute, and then one of them winds up being first. |
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Post by jgordon1 on Jan 5, 2009 20:05:14 GMT -6
We will generally line up in a field or boundary call. We do this because it is easier for us to adjust from here. we find that teams will try to do something different the first couple of series before reverting back to their base
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Post by signalzero on Jan 5, 2009 21:35:40 GMT -6
I never go with the same play for each game. I know other coaches are watching game film and will usually come up with something new for each game. Got to keep them on their toes.
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Post by cmow5 on Jan 5, 2009 23:27:25 GMT -6
Frosh DC so I know I can handle it any way I want because there are no tapes, but I always went with " Eagle, Tight Middle fire, Noon" (Wristband). Out of the 3-4 I blitzed EVERYONE and played a cover 4 just in case. We showed it, got fired up and went all out. I believe a sack or loss of yards on every play with a few TO's and 2 TD's.
OC went with a damn trick play EVERY TIME ( I hated it) but we scored on the first play of the game 7 out of 9 games.
I know Varsity has to handle it different, but that's what we did at the frosh level
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Post by goldenbear76 on Jan 5, 2009 23:30:03 GMT -6
In general, I love playaction passes to start the game. But as mentioned above...you do have to mix it up. Against a team I'm favored against...I'll probably establish the run early. If we're playing a well coached team, I like to start with a playaction or screen. If I see a weakness that I can exploit with the run early I'll go to that a lot as well.
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Post by coachweigelt on Jan 6, 2009 3:41:32 GMT -6
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Post by signalzero on Jan 6, 2009 5:48:08 GMT -6
The only change I would make to mixing it up for each game, would be if I had a weaker schedule to open up the season and I wanted to setup a nice play action or other play to completely catch a good team off guard. So for instance I may start out with a basic run play for my first 4 games,then on the 5th game against a superior team, I would go play action or just go deep.
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Post by coachaaron on Jan 6, 2009 6:11:37 GMT -6
I'm a DC and in our league, 9 out of 10 times, the opposing OC will either play it safe with a dive up the middle or play action the dive and throw a deep fade route up the sidelines. So, I generally blitz the A gaps and play man two behind it (drop out DEs, CBs play man, two deep safeties); which pretty well covers both those possibilities.
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Post by realdawg on Jan 6, 2009 6:31:25 GMT -6
I like the idea of starting the game with a long count giving you time to see the defense and possibly draw them offside and get old mo in your favor a little bit. As for the question at hand I think it depends. If you are a spread team, I think you mix it up. Run zone one game, counter one game, PA pass one game etc...
However, if you are a triple option team I believe you probably start most game with IV or midline to see how they play it.
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Post by groundchuck on Jan 6, 2009 8:04:17 GMT -6
We are an option based team. Looking back we opened with an option (midline, speed, or ISV) six out of nine games. Speed I called, ML or ISV was based on our option check system. I don't have the gain/loss sheet in front of me but I know in 4 out of those 6 we got at least 4 yards.
The other 3 games we opened with:
-Counter--got tackled for a loss
-Play Action off rocket for a TD but they called us for offsides AFTER he caught it.
-A different play action off rocket and it was incomplete. But we came back to it later for a long gain.
On defense my DC usually likes to play it straight and see what happens. Most DC's I have worked around seem to play it that way too.
What about returns? We have middle wedge, reverse, fake reverse and will use different ones to open each game depending on what we saw on video and/or what we did last game.
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Post by buck42 on Jan 6, 2009 15:06:54 GMT -6
I like to take a look at how a team is going to line up to trips early...how they are going to react to motion to and from my base formation...that will give me an early idea where some of the perceieved weakness are in the defense...
As a DC, I like to hold on to a couple things until after halftime...IMO coaches that can make adjustments at halftime are those that really seperate themselves...so I try to keep hidden until halftime so the other coach does not have enough time to make an adjustment...especially when a team has a bunch of players going both ways...real hard to communicate the adjustmetns on the fly...This is another reason as a DC or OC I like to be on the field...I can not communicate exactly what I want to the players from the box...
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Post by wingt74 on Jan 6, 2009 15:14:15 GMT -6
I'm a DC and in our league, 9 out of 10 times, the opposing OC will either play it safe with a dive up the middle or play action the dive and throw a deep fade route up the sidelines. So, I generally blitz the A gaps and play man two behind it (drop out DEs, CBs play man, two deep safeties); which pretty well covers both those possibilities. Run our base formation, see what defense their in, and run the A gap  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2009 9:15:42 GMT -6
Depends on the competition, the game, etc. though I usually do one of the following:
1) Zone Dog from field or passing strength
2) Show blitz (mostly to see early if they'll check to something if they "catch" us in a stunt
3) Double Call (usually tell my field guy either "x" or "z" based on . . .
4) A base call---but usually only call it if I truly think they'll screen or gadget on 1st play
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Post by Coach Bennett on Jan 7, 2009 10:45:09 GMT -6
We've had good success with running a base play on a "first sound" cadence. We get right to the line, get set and have at it.
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