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Post by khalfie on Dec 20, 2008 16:02:44 GMT -6
If you were a teacher at a new school, that just had their HC resign...
How would you go about staging a "Coup" on the program, considering the administration were in a holding pattern, before even beginning interviews?
take into consideration, there are previous assistant coaches looking to get the HC position. They may or may not have the weight program going...
Pop quiz, what do you do? The more creative the better.
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Post by ajreaper on Dec 20, 2008 16:35:34 GMT -6
How can you stage a "coup" at a new school? And if you can is that an administration you really want to work for? The only way I see it happening is getting influential parents lined up who will strongly and loudly upport you but it being a new school I don't see how there would be enough willing to do so as they won't know you and you've not had time to foster that kind of relationship with enough folks. Of course should you have photos of the Sup and or school board members doing lude things in a barn yard you can write your own ticket  |
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Post by touchdownmaker on Dec 20, 2008 16:41:01 GMT -6
Go directly to the principal with your program outline, lay it on his desk and start selling yourself. Cut out the AD completely and just talk to the principal and get a feeling for what he/she wants from the head coach.
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Post by coachorr on Dec 20, 2008 21:13:54 GMT -6
Are you new this year and did you coach this year?
Do you have any parental, superintendent or school board support (careful)?
What is your relationship with the AD and the Principal?
How much HC experience and/or college experience do you have?
Why did the old HC leave?
What systems did he run and how are you going to improve upon that?
How can you stage a coup, when the head of the snake was cutoff already?
Interesting to say the least.
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Post by touchdowng on Dec 20, 2008 22:59:40 GMT -6
A "coup"?
Why don't you just run the same race every other applicant does?
If you are suggesting to posture or to position yourself in the hearts and minds of influential people, that would be bad form in my book. I'm a HC and an assistant principal and those types of people give me the creeps.
Maybe I'm not understanding your question.....
Any of the assistants who want to be the HC should sit down together and figure out a good plan to help the players improve for now. To me, that should be the only focus other than getting letters of recommendation, application, resume, portfolio put together.
I would also stay away from conversations with players outside of being interested in applying for the job and seeing where the chips will fall.
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Post by hsrose on Dec 21, 2008 11:07:40 GMT -6
In my case it's reversed, the HC just left and I've been an assistant for 4 years, 2 under him and 2 under the guy that was there for 13 years before him. I'm not on-campus, but neither was he. There is a new PE instructor that is supposed to be applying so I view him has having the inside track. He's been coaching at another school about 20 miles away for 4-6 years and has a son on that program. I've never met him.
My preparations include a 30 page document that I will give to the interview panel before the interviews. I did this last time, 2 years ago. That took me from being a castoff to being in the final 3.
The package goes into the aspects of the program that I would run, including my philosophy and core values, how to work with the school, getting the students more involved, communicating with the community and parents, and then the football program. I describe what my expectations are for the players and the program, the budget (expenses and fund raising activities), the offense, defense, and special teams concepts, and the daily program schedule from January through December. I will use my experience from the past 4 years to say that I know the administration, the players, and the coaches. I've already been the coach doing all the paperwork for the players, providing rosters to the school and boosters, all the video work, the web site, and OC for a year.
I have talked with the coaches on staff, have their agreement to stay with me should I get the position, and have added 2 more coaches from outside the program. Most of these guys aren't going to stay unless I'm there. Not a threat or anything that I would use. I have talked with 2 very highly regarded senior coaches who have agreed to work with the program as special advisors to me.
In short I’m not staging a coup (which makes it sound like you aren’t in a position to take it head on). I’m providing everything I can, way up front, to make it clear that I’m the most organized, detailed, well-prepared coach they will see.
Having said all that I fully expect that the PE coach will get the job just based on his being on campus.
Where are you located?
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Post by khalfie on Dec 21, 2008 12:19:05 GMT -6
Are you new this year and did you coach this year? Do you have any parental, superintendent or school board support (careful)? What is your relationship with the AD and the Principal? How much HC experience and/or college experience do you have? Why did the old HC leave? What systems did he run and how are you going to improve upon that? How can you stage a coup, when the head of the snake was cutoff already? Interesting to say the least. Hey... hey.. hey. Completely hypothetical!  But let's say... No support... just got in town... No relationships... just got into town... No experience... Old hc left, because decided he couldn't turn it around... schools been down for quite some time. Was a spread wing team, Jet / Fly, Navy Option... PA pass game. Attacking aggressive 4-3. I'd improve by developing players... and not an offense... but I'd plan on running the A11. Why a coup? Because... I know no one, have no experience... there are a few left over asst.s in the building, but no weight program, nothings going on... just preparing for another lack luster season. What would you do, to take this program over? Again... this is purely hypothetical... |
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Post by khalfie on Dec 21, 2008 12:23:16 GMT -6
A "coup"? Why don't you just run the same race every other applicant does? If you are suggesting to posture or to position yourself in the hearts and minds of influential people, that would be bad form in my book. I'm a HC and an assistant principal and those types of people give me the creeps. Maybe I'm not understanding your question..... Any of the assistants who want to be the HC should sit down together and figure out a good plan to help the players improve for now. To me, that should be the only focus other than getting letters of recommendation, application, resume, portfolio put together. I would also stay away from conversations with players outside of being interested in applying for the job and seeing where the chips will fall. Hypothetically speaking of course... because I want the gig! I could do what everyone else does, but then I run the chances of being rejected like everyone else, except the one person chjosen... I want to be the one person chosen... The plan is to do it... without giving you the creeps... how is that done? The previous assts. are probably doing that... hence the need for the coup... not an asst. hadn't been with the program... looking to jump to the head of the class... Not involving the kids makes good sense... what else ya got? |
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Post by khalfie on Dec 21, 2008 12:29:49 GMT -6
I will use my experience from the past 4 years to say that I know the administration, the players, and the coaches. I've already been the coach doing all the paperwork for the players, providing rosters to the school and boosters, all the video work, the web site, and OC for a year. I have talked with the coaches on staff, have their agreement to stay with me should I get the position, and have added 2 more coaches from outside the program. Most of these guys aren't going to stay unless I'm there. In short I’m not staging a coup (which makes it sound like you aren’t in a position to take it head on). I’m providing everything I can, way up front, to make it clear that I’m the most organized, detailed, well-prepared coach they will see. Having said all that I fully expect that the PE coach will get the job just based on his being on campus. Where are you located? Ha! Hypothetical... And the coup is necessary for guys like you, who are in a good position, but are also in the school... how do you beat that guy out? In regards to your situation... I think you are selling yourself short... sounds to me, you are the front runner, and just don't know it. Wouldn't be shocked if the PE teacher simply wants to become one of your assistants. But I do have a couple of questions for you... 1. How do you know, that none of the current assts. aren't applying for the head gig? 2. If you believe the PE teacher is the front runner, are you willing to just sit back and leave it in the admins hands... or do you have a plan b, to make your dream a reality? |
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Post by touchdowng on Dec 21, 2008 12:35:40 GMT -6
What else?
This hypothetical person would need to think more globally.
What are the philosophies of the school/athletic department?
Are there strong beliefs about high school sports? In my district there are some very strong beliefs about serving the community and looking beyond yourself/your team. We stand for character development, etc.
If your school/district has beliefs such as this how could a person (who wants the job. . . . hypothetically, of course) behave in a way that would be selfless and yet not perceived as presumptuous.
I've seen some inexperienced coaches (less than 10 years of coaching for sake of qualification) who behaved in ways when they knew there was going to be an opening. I've always appreciated those who kept stepping in character (stayed the same person) yet tried to reach out to see what else they could do the further the program without stepping on the toes of others. On the other hand, I've seen those who have tried to posture themselves with players, parents and community people. It looked self serving, it smelled self serving and it acted self serving. If it was authentic, it was not received well because it was way too obvious only because these types of individuals will deny that this is what they are doing (posturing themselves). It would be much more well received if they would have just said, I want to be the next guy and I'll work for it. At least people then know the agenda.
Sounds confusing but the dynamics of people have much to do with the people who surround the situation and how to best build trust.
SIDEBAR
I just ran into a fellow coach and I told him of a HC opening in the area - He has been looking for the past two season. This was two weeks ago. He gave me some excellent rationale why he wasn't going to apply for this particular job. His rationale sounded great. The other day one of the administrators from this school asked me about the same guy as a potential HC as he had gotten all of his paperwork. I was really taken aback based on my face to face conversation with the guy. Things like this make a person stop and wonder about the intentions of a leader.
To me the leader (the hypothetical coup weilding coach) needs to be transparent and very intentional to gain the respect of others.
Not in an overbearing (hey I'm in charge) way but in a way that won't make people say, "What's up with this guy?"
Make sense?
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Post by hsrose on Dec 21, 2008 13:41:41 GMT -6
One of the others is applying. I've known him for 6 years and he's a good guy. He was #3 in the last interview process.
I'm not sitting on this by any means. I just know that the school would really prefer to have an on-campus coach given the number of students involved, the amount of resources, etc., but where he has the on-campus, I've got time with the team.
The process here (last time, may not be the same this time) is that the position must be posted for 4 weeks/30 days or something in the local papers. Applications are accepted during that period and an initial screening is done by the interview panel - 5-7 members of the staff including the AD, principal, PE teachers, admins, booster, etc., and for the final round a couple of players. There were 9 first-round applicants the last time.
After the application period is over the initial interviews are scheduled, screened, and then the final interviews are setup. Then the final selection. Working the panel is not a good move unless you do everyone and you won't know who they all are until you get into the first interview. After that you might be able to lobby the panel members.
The PE instructor I know of is teaching at Irvington HS in Fremont, and has been coaching at Los Gatos HS. Looking at your past posts you don't seem to be in the Bay area and your recent 2-7 record is not what Los Gatos had. I believe they just won the CCS medium school section championship. I think he would be a good addition to my staff as that would provide me with 3 on-campus instructors, but I don't know him and won't contact him before the interviews.
So, where are you located?
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Post by coachorr on Dec 21, 2008 16:20:39 GMT -6
If you have turned around programs before, just slap your resume on the AD and the principal's desk. If you have never been a head coach, then just apply and get turned down like all of the rest of the coaches w/o any HC experience.
Email Calende and ask him to expand on what HC experience does for the interview process. I think he would be a good coach somewhere, but has been shot down many a time, because he has only done Freshmen as an HC and assisted.
We had the same situation happen in our area this year. Guy comes in from Cali three years ago, applies at a school, then retracts his resume. Then the same school went 0-16. The HC who had been on staff and took the job as a favor was run out. Same guy from Cali comes back last Spring, reapplies and gets the job. He brings in one or two assistants with him. He dismisses the entire staff, but one guy.
They lose the first game barely (turnovers). Then they go 10 and O and win the state title. Guess what system he ran?
On the night of the state championship game I almost walked down the aisle and was converted to this offense forever as my own personal offense.
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Post by khalfie on Dec 21, 2008 17:47:34 GMT -6
If you have turned around programs before, just slap your resume on the AD and the principal's desk. If you have never been a head coach, then just apply and get turned down like all of the rest of the coaches w/o any HC experience. Email Calende and ask him to expand on what HC experience does for the interview process. I think he would be a good coach somewhere, but has been shot down many a time, because he has only done Freshmen as an HC and assisted. We had the same situation happen in our area this year. Guy comes in from Cali three years ago, applies at a school, then retracts his resume. Then the same school went 0-16. The HC who had been on staff and took the job as a favor was run out. Same guy from Cali comes back last Spring, reapplies and gets the job. He brings in one or two assistants with him. He dismisses the entire staff, but one guy. They lose the first game barely (turnovers). Then they go 10 and O and win the state title. Guess what system he ran? On the night of the state championship game I almost walked down the aisle and was converted to this offense forever as my own personal offense. ha! You don't have to sell me... I've got my $700 for the A-11 under the christmas tree as we speak! |
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Post by coachorr on Dec 21, 2008 19:41:54 GMT -6
WHAT?!
Then you are golden brotha. This job is yours.
If the A-11 was your guess, you are wrong. But, the offense is almost as dark and dastardly, however, the offense he used was legal.
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Post by coachdawhip on Dec 24, 2008 16:14:22 GMT -6
couldn't be in GA since, we don't allow the A-11!!
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Post by coachorr on Dec 24, 2008 21:11:44 GMT -6
No, we are talking dark side here. Something so evil and so vile that makes DC's who lose to it suffer a public enema or tar and feathering.
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Post by khalfie on Dec 24, 2008 21:57:11 GMT -6
hey... hey...
You keep that kool aid for those junkies on 5th street...
If I want some wings... I'll go to BW3's!
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Post by coachorr on Dec 24, 2008 22:29:30 GMT -6
BW3's?
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Post by khalfie on Dec 24, 2008 22:37:02 GMT -6
Ha! Hill Larry... Buffalo Wild Wings... A sports bar in the midwest... over 40 different flavors of Wingettes. |
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Post by coachorr on Dec 24, 2008 22:39:25 GMT -6
Just guess the offense.
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Post by khalfie on Dec 24, 2008 22:44:59 GMT -6
Ha! No... I'm not guessing... This is much more fun! Double Wing? |
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Post by coachorr on Dec 24, 2008 22:51:38 GMT -6
Wise Guy!
yeah, I have always been a big fan of it when it is run well, but I just don't think I could ever sell my soul to Lord Vader. How do you play from behind? What if they stop what you do? People do not relate well to it and it seems like people make fun of it (NOT ME) when it isn't working. But man, what a fun offense.
Two of their backs had 1700 plus yards. They broke 0-23 losing streak to go 10-0 to win the state title.
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Post by khalfie on Dec 25, 2008 0:00:54 GMT -6
Wise Guy! yeah, I have always been a big fan of it when it is run well, but I just don't think I could ever sell my soul to Lord Vader. How do you play from behind? What if they stop what you do? People do not relate well to it and it seems like people make fun of it (NOT ME) when it isn't working. But man, what a fun offense. Two of their backs had 1700 plus yards. They broke 0-23 losing streak to go 10-0 to win the state title. The DW's success is legendary... People talk about it not being able to come from behind... but the beauty about the offense, is that it guarantees you beat the teams you are supposed to beat. Ita a scheme of physicallity... utilizing angles, numbers, and an obscene concentration of force at the point of attack, if the opponent isn't just physically superior, more oft than not... you are going to win. However, when that team is physically superior, you are going to lose, and it could get ugly. But that team was going to beat you anyway. Maybe your QB and Wr's could get hot in the spread, but for the most part, superior beats inferior... the only issue, is the appearance to the fan base. To the fan base, DW doesn't do enough to try to win... once the power is proven unsuccessful. I was just playing with the A11 stuff... I'm a closet kool aid drinker... |
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Post by coachorr on Dec 25, 2008 0:23:48 GMT -6
I ran 4 A-11 formations this last season. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
Beat the teams you are supposed to beat. Good point. What about the TF Spread?
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Post by khalfie on Dec 25, 2008 10:13:04 GMT -6
I ran 4 A-11 formations this last season. Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Beat the teams you are supposed to beat. Good point. What about the TF Spread? I'm not familiar with it at all... But have come to the understanding... that a lot of systems out there are sound, and you can have great success with them, if you apply them properly, and more believe in them. I think, deep, deep, deep, down inside, I'm a run the ball first type of guy... and hence need to be associated with a run oriented scheme. However, I have been swept up by the system dejour, and touched the 5 wide, SG Spread option, even ran a little pole cat. ;D |
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Post by coachorr on Dec 25, 2008 12:03:19 GMT -6
What? Nothing better than the lonesome Pole Cat. I ran a little Wild Cat. Even put the Q at X. Here is one for the ages: Jerome Tigers in Orange, were 0-16 three years ago and a new coach took over and installed the TF system. The Hillcrest Knights were 0-23 the new HC comes in and installs the DW and goes 1-10 or 10-0 however you want to look at it, and wins the state title. www.idahosports.com/gamestreams/0809/football/champs/Hillcrest_Jerome_11_21_08.asp |
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Post by khalfie on Dec 25, 2008 13:16:16 GMT -6
merry christmas to me...
outstanding find coachorr...
;D
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Post by coachorr on Dec 25, 2008 14:25:32 GMT -6
Well I hope you enjoy it good sir. Really a great game. Note: Jerome did not have their starting Q in. He was injured two weeks earlier. The crazy kid they have in in this game was a RB and Backup Q. He throws the ball around like a mad man. Really fun to watch.
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Post by coachorr on Dec 25, 2008 14:28:07 GMT -6
Also, that was the first time I had seen the DW team run the counter dive. Everything else has always been superpower, sweep, trap, Q naked, Counter Criss Cross and one or two pass plays.
I believe the two wingbacks are juniors.
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Post by khalfie on Dec 25, 2008 14:35:07 GMT -6
21 -21 at the half?
That's a second team qb? Wow!
When talking about rebuilding projects, everyone likes to focus in on the offense... but to win... you have to play outstanding defense...
Sure, in this particular game, there's not much defense... but my big question would be, how did they turn their defenses around...
Then again, when you run the dw... its the one offense, that really improves the defense... move the clock, speed the game up, keep the defense off the field.
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