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Post by footballjunkie on Dec 9, 2008 22:34:12 GMT -6
How do you build toughness into your players? I have kid's taking themselves out of ball games and sitting out of practice when they hurt a little. I've tried explaining the difference between hurt and injured and it falls on deaf ears. How do you get these kids that are able to play and practice on the field when they have a few bumps and bruises? HELP PLEASE
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Post by highball007 on Dec 9, 2008 23:15:04 GMT -6
Weight Room builds Strength and Power
Strength and Power Builds Confidence
Confidence in what you are doing builds players that want to compete!
Thats my short version!
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Post by khalfie on Dec 9, 2008 23:21:31 GMT -6
you have to put hot sauce in their dog food.
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Post by kcfootballwv on Dec 10, 2008 6:43:04 GMT -6
Good Post DC
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Post by brophy on Dec 10, 2008 7:14:56 GMT -6
we can be all Billy-Bad-A** with regards to 'toughness', but if we want to look at this as coaches, there is only one way we can teach,train,nurture, and develop this quality and that is by teaching it in the weight room. period
We can 'expect' the players to continually give to us (and if they don't, then you're just screwed) or we can do something about it and give something to them (by training them).
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Post by wingt74 on Dec 10, 2008 7:43:07 GMT -6
Sleep with the players mom so his parents get a divorce. I find the nastiest kids come from broken homes.
Seriously, some things just can't be taught...and there are some things you don't want your players to pick up.
Example: I had a 6' 4" 250 lb RT. Weight room #s were good, kid has good agility. He plays well, is a good student, good teammate, and great kid to coach.
But he doesn't have a mean streak. Fact is, the kid could dominate if he wanted to. He's a little soft...so much that I kept him off the defense, eventhough he could be oiur #1 player.
Should I put him in a cage and poke a stick at him?
Don't get me wrong, I coach the kid up...put more pressure on him than other players, but short of screaming and yelling, and getting him to "toughen" up...naaa.
Now to football junkie. Inexcusable. I have a rule. No limping. No complaining about pain. If you limp, I say you better be ready to ride in an ambulance. It's amazing, our injuries have dropped like a rock.
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Post by silkyice on Dec 10, 2008 7:48:05 GMT -6
I've tried explaining the difference between hurt and injured and it falls on deaf ears. These are all great posts. My only comment is don't say difference between "hurt or injured." Say "difference between being in pain or injured." I know that is just semantics, but I do think it makes the point clearer to players and especially to parents. I had another coach tell me this years ago and it actually did help make the point better. Play with pain. Can't play with an injury. Trainer, doctor, or head coach only one who can say injury. Just a little thing that can help.
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Post by warrior53 on Dec 10, 2008 8:23:08 GMT -6
I know that the being injured or hurt conversation plays into this, but I am way more concerned with being mentally tough on the field with my players. I want them to compete when something bad happens (something bad happens every game), when the chips are down, or even when you are way up on somebody. That is toughness to me. The will to push through adversity and compete. I think all kids have a tough time with this, heck even adults do. What do you do to improve this quality?
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Post by superpower on Dec 10, 2008 8:39:38 GMT -6
Turn up the intensity in the weightroom.
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Post by tedseay on Dec 10, 2008 8:53:16 GMT -6
Some mental toughness work as a team may also be in order: dscreationsgregorydouble.homestead.com/Enduro_demo_4th_DWS.pdf(password: enduro) Getting the team to buy into a "tough it out" mentality can work wonders. Great team-building exercise, too, but only if you approach it positively rather than as punishment.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2008 10:54:08 GMT -6
Turn up the intensity in the weightroom. Can you elaborate on what you do to obtain this intensity in the weight room? Duece
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Post by superpower on Dec 10, 2008 11:12:35 GMT -6
I think it is the same approach as turning up the intensity in practice. You have to coach 'em up, focusing on the details. For example, in the squat rack, make them get their butt below their knees and accelerate the bar on the way up. Get fired up in the weightroom. You may have to set the tone and lead by example until some of the players understand what it takes. I am always teaching/coaching in the weightroom and looking for any little details that our guys can improve on. On the last set, especially on squats, we tell them it is PLUS. For instance, if we are doing a squat workout of 8-6-4-2, the last set is 2 or more to failure. This is a great way to teach them to go beyond what they think they are capable of.
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Post by brophy on Dec 10, 2008 11:41:59 GMT -6
Turn up the intensity in the weightroom. Can you elaborate on what you do to obtain this intensity in the weight room? Duece 1. make sure they are attending. Don't just harp on kids to show up, talk about togetherness and getting better (and have the upperclassmen mentor the underclassmen.....have them CALL/ TALK to the fresh/sophs) 2. create an enthusiastic environment. Coaches should be showing up to weights (#1), but they also have to do more than sip coffee,bitch about the kids who aren't there, and scribble attendance sheets. Coaches relating to players (develop your relationships) and coaching up lifts and forcing the TEMPO of the lifts. If you can teach a kid how to push themselves each set, each rep....THAT is the toughness we are ultimately after. 3. Track results ~ monitor progress and set goals for the kids. Whether it is a pyramid program, or quarter lift goals, or leader boards.....reward those that attend and those that are breaking plateaus. This sends a message that we are ALL WORKING towards something. 4. Make it competitive. Bust {censored} in the weight room, but break from the norm / program every so often to let the kids see their hard work paying off (feats of strength, quickness, explosiveness). Weight lifting IS drudgery (so is practice) so it is helping them find a way to see the joy in details, that I can make a 'game' of each set to FIND the appreciation for determination ( "you can do 9 reps? I'll do 10!"). It is the incremental steps that are taken each day that make champions - Break the Rock (one chip at a time). Whether it is water polo, basketball, soccer, relays, fit tests, bowling,.....whatever, when you guys meet, develop the FUN of competition, that it is okay to dominate or come away as the best at something. Comprise the off-season of a series of 100 'wins' (no matter how simple) that the kids can associate themselves with. The most powerful trigger and motivator of the athlete is PEER PRESSURE. Create a POSITIVE peer culture of people building themselves for the good of the program, and you will have the determination (toughness) you are looking for. You can blow off a coach, but when your own teammates disown you and do not respect your toughness, then there really is no point in being on a TEAM/sport. If Tim Tebow is on your team, would you be worried about letting a teammate like that down? If players see their other players busting tail in the weight room everyday, they will naturally feel guilty if someone else is bearing the brunt of the labor. Imagine what would happen to your "all-star" prima donna if there are 20 other guys on the team that think he is 'soft'? That guy won't fit in in the locker room.....the 'team' won't accept that type of person. ..........and the COACHES don't have to do a thing about it (in season). Build the TEAM in the off-season. When you go "all in" (invest everything), you have no recourse. You do not take yourself out or look for excuses because you have given everything for a reason (turning back on that goal is too much of a waste to bear).
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Post by superpower on Dec 10, 2008 12:10:24 GMT -6
Awesome post, Brophy!
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Post by gdn56 on Dec 10, 2008 13:00:49 GMT -6
Its called the filthy five fellas. Five lower body lifts, begin with squats... to failure (and I dont mean when the kid says he cant, I mean when you are to tired to spot him anymore!) Move on to leg press.. same thing. Then leg extensions, then leg curls. End it with overhead plate squats. Focus the entire lift on mental toughness and competition.... see who can squat 185 or 225 the most times. I'm telling you, this works... just make sure you have nothing to do for the next week or so, cuz they will be sore... in fact do this the day before Christmas break or something.
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Post by tothehouse on Dec 10, 2008 13:35:53 GMT -6
We impose our super squats on our players. 1 set 20 reps. 18 cycles starting with 1/2 theire body weight and moving up 10 lbs. each session. 200 lb. guys rip through the early stages. By the 15th session the 200lb. kid is doing 1 set of 20 reps with 250lbs. on the bar. HE MUST FINISH!!!!! It is NOT an option. And.....we super squat every other day till the 18th cycle is done!!!!! We got this from a guy who wrote a book called "Super Squat". He lives in town and ran a company called Iron Minds. Great name. He talked about the squat being the most mentally tough exercise there is.
He also said that if he was locked away in prison for life and could only do one exercise in the exercise yard he'd do the squat since it works the whole body...including cardio.
I have filmed super squatting. It is awesome. That is another thing. Film your kids lifting. They'll lift harder. I, as the filmer, tell the players. I DO NOT FILM PLAYERS WHO AREN'T LIFTING TILL EXHAUSTION. So if "Cool Guy Bob" is lounging in the corner he can forget seeing himself on film.
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Post by windigo on Dec 10, 2008 14:47:32 GMT -6
Asside from what has already been mentioned wrestling.
When was the last time you had a soft wrestler on your team. I believe that athletes need both a team sport and an individual sport develop the full psyche of the complete athlete. In an individual sport all eyes are on you and you cant lean on your teammates. In my experience those players who complete a full season of wresting are forever changed men. Develop a working relationship with the wrestling team. If the wrestling coach played football offer him an assistant coaching position. Get him familiar with your players and intern get your players failure with him. At the end of the season encourage you players to go out for wrestling. The more players you can get out for wrestling the more peer pressure there is for them to keep with wrestling which is good for both teams. When wrestling season send work on setting up a combined offseason program with the wrestling coach.
Mind you in past years I was not big on players wrestling because of how taxing it was on their bodies. But with the new weight rules wrestling isn't as physically destructive on their bodies as it was in years past. No more players killing themselves, literly, to drop 3 weight classes.
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Post by footballjunkie on Dec 10, 2008 21:34:19 GMT -6
Thank you for the suggestions, I want to bench half our team most the time, only problem is we finished our second season of varsity football with 14 kids. We keep working on building and hopefully someday these kids will realize what this great game is all about and we won't be able to keep them off the field no matter how bad they are hurting.
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Post by towtheline on Dec 10, 2008 22:24:00 GMT -6
Thank you for the suggestions, I want to bench half our team most the time, only problem is we finished our second season of varsity football with 14 kids. We keep working on building and hopefully someday these kids will realize what this great game is all about and we won't be able to keep them off the field no matter how bad they are hurting. Kinda off topic but if I were you I wouldn't be afraid to pull up JV/freshman guys to play if the varsity kids are disinterested. If you can lose with your "studs" you can certainly lose without them.
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Post by windigo on Dec 11, 2008 2:42:45 GMT -6
Kinda off topic but if I were you I wouldn't be afraid to pull up JV/freshman guys to play if the varsity kids are disinterested. If you can lose with your "studs" you can certainly lose without them. I disagree with pulling players up. For every success I've seen I've seen 10 failures. Keeping classes together is important. I think splitting classes up too much hurts programs in the long run.
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Post by coachinghopeful on Dec 11, 2008 4:00:44 GMT -6
Nevermind. My post was junk after all the other great ones in this thread. I'm just here to learn ;D
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Post by brophy on Dec 11, 2008 8:35:52 GMT -6
I disagree with pulling players up. For every success I've seen I've seen 10 failures. Keeping classes together is important. I think splitting classes up too much hurts programs in the long run. I disagree with that. I don't think of it in terms of "pulling players up" I think of it in terms of best player at that position plays. If my best SAM is a freshman...I'm going to play him. If you bring a player up, it HAS to be because he will START. Bringing players up, just to ride the bench or get 3-5 snaps a game is a sure way to kill the future of the athlete. If you bring a player up it is coming from an agreement from the player, the player's parents, and the coaching staff (that will get the kid up to speed). No upperclassman would want to get replaced by a Soph/Frosh.
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Post by touchdownmaker on Dec 11, 2008 8:56:09 GMT -6
Toughness can be developed several ways in my experience.
I think often the attitude of the coaching staff will eventually become that of the team. Contact, getting used to being hit and living to tell about it is a great place to start. Too often soft kids are part of a soft program. NO conditioning, NO hitting, NO lifting, NO discipline...that stuff can make kids soft.
Expecting to win, confidence in assignments, confidence in technique and confidence in the coaches tends to make players go harder. The will to prepare to win shows as toughness and determination I think.
I like lots of shedding and tackling drills. I like lots of live one on one blocking drills and I like to use a good amount of competition in practice. My teams are not always the most talented but they usually play hard.
We had some kids who were "softer" than others but finished the season much tougher than they or anyone else thought possible.
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Post by hammerhead on Dec 11, 2008 10:01:49 GMT -6
How much live tackling is done during practice. Do you use quick whistles during team periods, skelly and perimeter drills? I struggle with this every year. I don't want to be soft but I don't want to create injuries either.
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Post by towtheline on Dec 11, 2008 22:09:13 GMT -6
Kinda off topic but if I were you I wouldn't be afraid to pull up JV/freshman guys to play if the varsity kids are disinterested. If you can lose with your "studs" you can certainly lose without them. I disagree with pulling players up. For every success I've seen I've seen 10 failures. Keeping classes together is important. I think splitting classes up too much hurts programs in the long run. Would you rather watch a senior blow an assignment or a freshman blow an assignment?
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Post by warrior53 on Dec 12, 2008 8:58:29 GMT -6
I agree with the wrestling post!! Toughest sport I have ever been around. It is not easy to get kids to wrestle, though. But once they do they either get tough or get run over. You would not make any friends in Texas though, people are so scared to put kids in wrestling for fear that the weight they lose is forever lost. Can't get a better second sport for football...
1. Leverage 2. Practice tackling everyday (take-downs) 3. Physical toughness, the workouts are brutal 4. Mental toughness, it is just you and your opponent
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Post by realdawg on Dec 12, 2008 9:27:17 GMT -6
I agree with many that developing toughness starts in the wt. room. Make it tough on the guys in there. A few may quit, but if they quit in the wt. room, they will quit on you later on. It carries over to conditioning-run the piss out of them. I actually know a coach who takes a chair out to the field and runs his kids and begs them to quit. Finally, make them beat the crap out of each other in practice. Those who are not tough may quit, but again they werent gonna win you any ballgames anyway. I think if a kid can go through those 3 stages then he will end up being a pretty tough ball player.
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