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Post by Coach JR on Dec 3, 2008 16:08:39 GMT -6
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Post by bigdog2003 on Dec 3, 2008 16:14:20 GMT -6
Stay at Tech where you have to try and beat Texas and Oklahoma for talent and have no real shot at getting them, or go to Auburn where they have been competing with Bama for a while, hard choice.
Another example of what have you done for me lately with Tubbs being fired. Whats next, sorry coach Meyer, 11 wins isn't good enough at Florida? Where will it end?
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Post by coachd5085 on Dec 3, 2008 16:54:10 GMT -6
I think the lesson to be learned here is to MAKE SURE ALL OF YOUR EXPECTATIONS are communicated when bringing on new staff. Clearly the Tony Franklin Debacle was at the forefront of this decision.
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Post by wiaa3 on Dec 3, 2008 17:10:06 GMT -6
I can't believe Tommy Tuberville just got fired. On ESPN, they just showed his last 5 years, unbelievable!!!
Talk about what have you done for me lately....
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Post by wingtol on Dec 3, 2008 17:15:10 GMT -6
I wonder if Tenn. is starting to second guess hiring Kiffin so quick now that Tuberville is out there.
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Post by morris on Dec 3, 2008 18:03:47 GMT -6
Am I the only one that finds this ironic? You hire an Air Raid guy and do not let him do his job and fire him. You end up getting fired and the guy they are talking about replacing him is an Air Raid guy. I agree the he has done a great job in the wins. I think him being dismissed has to do with how some other things have been handled over the last few years and the TF thing this year. |
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Post by coachdubyah on Dec 3, 2008 18:13:50 GMT -6
Am I the only one that finds this ironic? You hire an Air Raid guy and do not let him do his job and fire him. You end up getting fired and the guy they are talking about replacing him is an Air Raid guy. I agree the he has done a great job in the wins. I think him being dismissed has to do with how some other things have been handled over the last few years and the TF thing this year. I am sorry, I may not know what is going on but, Auburn is shady. Morris you took the words right out of my mouth. UNBELIEVABLE!  |
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Post by airraider on Dec 3, 2008 18:14:42 GMT -6
I bet Franklin is grinning from ear to ear right now..
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Post by utchuckd on Dec 3, 2008 18:33:20 GMT -6
I wonder if Tenn. is starting to second guess hiring Kiffin so quick now that Tuberville is out there. I doubt it. The way I hear it Tubs hasn't had much support from the BOT since he went undefeated the year after jet-gate. He had some power then and stuck it in their faces so he didn't have a whole lot of support when it started going bad. Even if it was just one year of going bad. |
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Dec 3, 2008 18:49:02 GMT -6
Local sports radio show said that Auburn contacted Bobby Petrino and Mike Leach to get a gauge on their interest in the HC job.
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Post by coachcb on Dec 3, 2008 18:49:55 GMT -6
Stay at Tech where you have to try and beat Texas and Oklahoma for talent and have no real shot at getting them, or go to Auburn where they have been competing with Bama for a while, hard choice. Another example of what have you done for me lately with Tubbs being fired. Whats next, sorry coach Meyer, 11 wins isn't good enough at Florida? Where will it end? Don't forget Washington is an option... He could own the weak Pac 10, only battling UsC... recruiting could be an issue... but he's made a name for himself... similar to how June Jones will always get a stud QB and some WR's... He's been a 3 loss man at TT... he could be a 1 loss man at UW... And they have a little legacy to go with them... I'd go to the Pac 10 in a heartbeat. Although I think that Leach will do great things where ever he is at, I think that Washington would be the worst case scenario... Recruiting is tough in Pacific northwest; it isn't the hotbed of football that the south is.USC picks up the best talent in California and the Pacific northwest. After they're done picking over the talent, there's not much left. Look at what has happened to Tyrone Willingham; he put together a few of the best classes in the country at Notre Dame but couldn't do anything at Washington. UW is tough to recruit from; Seattle and it's weather along with the lack of recent success at UW makes it a tough sell. Also, Oregon, Oregon State and Arizona state is drawing more talent than they have in the past. All three are becoming more competitive. |
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Post by DLine06 on Dec 3, 2008 19:03:31 GMT -6
Auburn has an advantage and in my opinion could get him if they really wanted to.
Leach brought the football team from Nike to Underarmour and has since had a great relationship with the company. Besides Tech and Maryland, Auburn is also a school sponsored by Underarmour.
Also, Leach does have Chris Todd. Todd was a former Texas Tech player that transferred to Auburn due to Graham beating him out for the starting job.
I'm into my junior year at the campus. Tech is still paying former coaches that have retired such as Bobby Knight, Marsha Sharp and the former baseball coach here.
My guess is that Leach is doing some window shopping to get athletic director Gerald Myers to ante up with cash. If this was just Washington needing a coach it would be one day however Auburn will interest Leach.
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Post by hemlock on Dec 3, 2008 19:18:05 GMT -6
This is not surprising. While I think Tubberville deserved to be fired, I don't think that the Bobby Louder crowd did it for the right reasons. They fired him simply because Auburn did poorly this year; moreover, as one person noted, they seem to have been influenced by the success that Saban is having in Tuscaloosa. He should have been fired for administering his program poorly. When he hired Tony Franklin it needed to be understood, either implicitly or explicitly that the offense would not take flight for approximately two years, that to work the kinks out entirely in that conference with its talent on the defensive side of the ball, and that it would take time before the right pieces were in the right places.
For those Auburn fans who are paying attention, Auburn should not worry about what is going on at 'Bama. It is immaterial to their success as a program in both the long and short terms. Focus on righting your ship from within.
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Post by morris on Dec 3, 2008 19:38:39 GMT -6
I bet Franklin is grinning from ear to ear right now.. I am sure he is knowing Franklin. I would not be surprised if TF has already talked to Leach about what is on the team if Leach is honeslty thinking about leaving. Now Petrino is interesting. If 2 groups deserved each other any more on a cosmic karma level I am not sure who it is. |
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Post by bigm0073 on Dec 3, 2008 19:56:47 GMT -6
Petrino can not go... Clause says he CAN NOT go to an SEC school from Arkansas.
Getting rid of Tubberville is amazing. His record is very imressive (ANd also an undefeated season!!). I hope it blows up in their face.
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Post by 1ispread on Dec 3, 2008 20:21:59 GMT -6
What was the reason Tuberville fired Borges as OC?
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Post by psbrowning on Dec 3, 2008 22:04:09 GMT -6
Ok guys think about it this way.... It is OBVIOUS Tommy did not want Franklin to begin with... someone with alot of Power forced Franklin on Tuberville. Tuberville fired Franklin when he got the chance, tuberville abused his power after his undefeated season towards those connected with jetgate. He had a bad season so it gave these guys a reason to let him go. The same guys that wanted Franklin in the first place now might get the chance to get something even better... Mike Leach...makes perfect since to me..
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Post by jw8 on Dec 3, 2008 22:22:28 GMT -6
Leach could hire Mumme to help him out since he is not out of work. In our paper today found it interesting that Leach was named Big 12 Coach of the Year and Mumme firing listing in the football news..... not what you know its who you can get to run it. I think Leach is a great fit at TT. School fits his persona and style. Big 12 has really two heavyweights to deal with. I bet this is the chat with others to get the larger offer from TT.
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Post by realdawg on Dec 4, 2008 6:29:07 GMT -6
Morris-my thoughts exactly-they just hated running the new spread stuff under Franklin, I cant believe they would want to replace Tub with another Air Raid guy in Leach. I think that Fulmer is more of a fit for the style of football that Auburn is built for playing. Good chance in my opinion that Leach is playing the Rich Rod game from a couple of years ago and trying to get more money from Tech
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Post by phantom on Dec 4, 2008 7:10:01 GMT -6
Others have mentioned this but I'll bring it up again- why no mention of black coaches? Joe Taylor (FAMU, Hampton U) has won everywhere he's been. Charlie Strong can coach and so can others.
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Post by hemlock on Dec 4, 2008 7:19:43 GMT -6
Frankly, if I were Leach I would stay the heck away from Auburn. I'm not sure whether it would be a good fit from a cultural perspective. Leach truly is a different type of guy; he is more like a professor than a coach in the traditional sense of the term. Moreover, we've seen that the minute something new and innovative does not work right away what happens.
Stay at Tech.
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Post by phantom on Dec 4, 2008 7:26:47 GMT -6
Realistically and objectively what makes Auburn a better job than TT?
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Post by autiger7 on Dec 4, 2008 8:26:54 GMT -6
Realistically and objectively what makes Auburn a better job than TT?
Auburn is one of the top 15 winningest programs of all time, where is Texas Tech at on that list?
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Post by phantom on Dec 4, 2008 8:34:43 GMT -6
Realistically and objectively what makes Auburn a better job than TT? Auburn is one of the top 15 winningest programs of all time, where is Texas Tech at on that list? Not a fan of either program and not a resident of either region so let me ask what this has to do with now? Does one have a better recruiting base? Does one pay substantially better relative to cost of living? Is the quality of life much better in one place? Does one have a booster base who is more impatient? |
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Post by hemlock on Dec 4, 2008 9:16:42 GMT -6
What phantom is implying is correct. The landscape of the game has changed so much in the past 20 year that one program's so-called storied past means relatively little.
I would actually say that Tech is a better job. Auburn is an unhealthy environment. You have a culture in place that is counter-productive. Bobby Lowder, a banker, runs the university and particularly the athletic department. Gerald Meyers is a great AD at Tech, takes care of his people, and has their back. I'd rather be there than at a place where a banker who has the football iq of a cockroach runs the program.
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Post by utchuckd on Dec 4, 2008 9:45:46 GMT -6
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Post by Coach JR on Dec 4, 2008 10:00:19 GMT -6
I bet Franklin is grinning from ear to ear right now.. I am sure he is knowing Franklin. I would not be surprised if TF has already talked to Leach about what is on the team if Leach is honeslty thinking about leaving. Now Petrino is interesting. If 2 groups deserved each other any more on a cosmic karma level I am not sure who it is. It would be iroinic if Leach was hired. I've been telling folks that here already. Leach has been clear, he'd take the job if offered. |
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Post by Coach JR on Dec 4, 2008 10:03:20 GMT -6
Frankly, if I were Leach I would stay the heck away from Auburn. I'm not sure whether it would be a good fit from a cultural perspective. Leach truly is a different type of guy; he is more like a professor than a coach in the traditional sense of the term. Moreover, we've seen that the minute something new and innovative does not work right away what happens. Stay at Tech. This is the concern of Auburn people who really know what's going on. Then there's those that think Leach's "Spread" will work, even though Franklin's "Spread" didn't. |
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Post by Coach JR on Dec 4, 2008 10:08:00 GMT -6
Realistically and objectively what makes Auburn a better job than TT? Well I guess that depends on perspective and what, in the eyes of the beholder, makes a job better. Off the top, I'd say that he'd be able to get recruits closer in talent to the top of the SEC's best at Auburn, than he can relative to TX and OU at TT. TT gets 4th pick in TX behind TX, OU, TA&M, and has to battle TCU and others for what's left. Auburn gets some of Alabama, some of GA, some from southern FL, and some of MS. And Auburn has a history of getting decent talent from all those places. If Leach can recruit, he'll succeed. |
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Dec 4, 2008 12:21:07 GMT -6
I've waited until now to weigh-in on this.
I am an Auburn Alumnus, I was there in the dark days of Coach Barfield when Alabama was running up a string of MNC's (that's Mythical National Championships...if you are scoring at home.)
Coach Dye brought us back to life. "Auburn doesn't need a good coach, it needs a mean one." One of the most famous quotes of that era, which lead to Coach Dye. Hard nosed, hard recruiting, hard headed, great man.
Since that time Auburn has had its ups and downs.
Coach Dye's last two years we were 5-6, 5-5-1 if I remember, but he was starting Freshmen all over the place.
In came Coach Bowden, and was able to take us to an underfeated season. Then what happened is old news.
Coach Tuberville, while not known as an X and O guy managed things really great. We all know how well, it doesn't need report here.
Even though every program in America is fraught with politics, Coach Tuberville has been able to over come that and do well.
The article that Utchuckd posted is probably closer to the truth that we are going to get for public consumption.
I don't think that even as powerful as Bobby Lowder is, he could have forced Coach Tuberville out. He tried before and "drew back a nub."
But watching the games, I will have to say, the emotional strain in Coach Tuberville was very evident. This game is a whole lot simplier than the "expert" make it out to be. These great men who run these huge programs could manage corporations and business, but have chosen football to manage.
We all know that when you lose the "want to" it's time to move on. Certainly Coach Tuberville had his enemies, there were rich and powerful people who didn't like him or want him there. So what. There are rich and powerful people that don't like me either and my program is super-tiny. It's life.
The article states that Coach Tuberville's wife wanted him to give it up. That's life folks. That's where we all live.
I know that the old saying in Alabama is "football isn't life and death..it's much more important than that" is something the fans live everyday up there. However, there are many things a whole lot more important than coaching football.
And...it doesn't hurt that he gets a cool $5.2 Mill to soothe his feelings. I'm sure that helps. Tubs, take a year off.
Most of us won't get a cool 5.2 Dollars when they get rid of us.
War Eagle y'all.
OJW
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