|
Post by coachjaz on Nov 30, 2008 22:16:18 GMT -6
Im not sure why the results wont show in the first poll, so Ill try it again.
Please choose your top four.
Coaches - Ive been doing homework on what a complete program should look like. Ive done research and read as much as possible. While I have my own thoughts and convictions, I would still like more data to consider.
Therefore I am asking for your assistance in completing this poll.
Almost all of us here are fully convinced that flexbone triple option football is the best way to go in terms of offensive schemes, but there are great programs across the nation that employ a wide array of both offensive and defensive schemes. So the answer is deeper than simple X's and O's. Therefore what I would like to know, is what do YOU think is of utmost importance in building and maintaining a strong program year in and year out.
I've put the respones in alphabetical order as to not put my bias into the poll. If you choose other, PLEASE list your response.
|
|
|
Post by coachjaz on Nov 30, 2008 22:17:32 GMT -6
Ok that works, have at it fellas.
|
|
|
Post by CoachMikeJudy on Nov 30, 2008 23:03:41 GMT -6
I revoted and stick to my 4 from the last post...
Supportive Admin Great Assistants S&C Program Great Players
I just wanted to throw this out there- I truly believe the idea of scheduled "team building" activities are highly overrated and ineffective. Teams are forged in the offseason s&c program and throughout the year at practices.
Artificial "team building activities" or FORCED FAMILY FUN are gimmicky and kids see right through these things typically. I was one of those kids. That crap never worked- it was just the coaches' way of putting on a show for us. Bull$hit wastes of time IMO.
Teams are built by 1) Setting common team goals and individual player goals that help us achieve our common goal
2) Holding kids accountable for their actions/effort
3) Allowing kids to take ownership of the program, police themselves
Teams are built on TRUST; without this you have nothing. Coaches must be able to trust athletes to do what they're suppossed to do, and the kids must be able to trust coaches to do the same.
|
|
|
Post by coachjaz on Nov 30, 2008 23:21:57 GMT -6
I agree 100% with this.
On the other hand I believe you can have and do "team building" and have it be successful. It just depends on what your method is.
|
|
|
Post by dubber on Dec 1, 2008 0:34:47 GMT -6
How is continuity of staff not a top 4? Even if you have the same bad coaches every year, they can do a better job then fly by night coaches. People who know the routine, familiar with the kids, the parents, the administration, they can get things done. Training alone, ruins new assistants. Got to get them on your page, same lines of communication, up to speed with what you do? Administration support? I guess, because I've always had it... I don't know what its like to not have it. But I have to assume, if you are successful, you'll get it? I think we need to define what "continuity of staff" means....... could be a bunch of different things.
|
|
|
Post by dubber on Dec 1, 2008 0:35:38 GMT -6
1) Administrative support 2) Great Assistants 3) Strength & Conditioning Program 4) Great Players My 4......... For the record.
|
|
|
Post by touchdownmaker on Dec 1, 2008 5:59:24 GMT -6
1) strength and conditioning 2) talent of some kind 3) admin support 4) coaching staff- got to make talent out of the lemons
|
|
|
Post by CoachMikeJudy on Dec 1, 2008 6:30:19 GMT -6
How is continuity of staff not a top 4? I believe that a good program's assistant coaches will eventually branchout and become HC/Coordinators at other places...therefore I can't put continuity of coaches in the top 4. Having great assistants definitely trumps continuity. What good is it to have a bunch of 'tards on your staff year after year? That would be #5 though...
|
|
|
Post by lochness on Dec 1, 2008 6:50:35 GMT -6
There's a big one here not listed, and that's "successful / well-coached feeder program." I believe this is a HUGE part of the success of a consistently strong program.
|
|
|
Post by coachjaz on Dec 1, 2008 7:30:30 GMT -6
lochness, good point, I dont know why I didnt have that one listed.
|
|
|
Post by jpdaley25 on Dec 1, 2008 7:42:19 GMT -6
I came up with this as part of our "Plan for Success" that I give to all of our players and parents:
Copper Basin Football
Vision
A vision is made up of long-term goals, and our vision for the future of Copper Basin Football is to build a successful program. We define a successful program in the following areas:
1. A successful program has a winning season every year, regularly competes for the region title, and goes to the playoffs.
2. A successful program has a top-notch, dedicated coaching staff.
3. A successful program has an academic advisor and tutoring program, has a 100% graduation rate, and sends kids to college every year.
4. A successful program produces leaders who are men of character, integrity, and courage.
5. A successful program has great facilities and equipment and is always upgrading.
6. A successful program attracts parents and kids and has enough participation for a ninth grade and J.V. team.
7. A successful program is closely affiliated with all of its feeder programs.
8. A successful program has strong community support and financial backing.
9. A successful program has the support of the student body, administration, faculty, and staff.
10. A successful program generates enough income to fund itself and allow for growth.
|
|
|
Post by tothehouse on Dec 1, 2008 10:34:57 GMT -6
What about a quality head coach? I don't see that listed anywhere. Is that a "given"?
|
|
|
Post by indy on Dec 1, 2008 12:08:16 GMT -6
Just playing Devil's advocate here, but what do you think those players and parents do with that "Plan for Success" sheet when they leave your meeting/office?
Mission statement, Vision statement, sorry, but I believe in Action Statement.
|
|
|
Post by coachjaz on Dec 1, 2008 15:24:16 GMT -6
This is from a head coaches perspective. If it was your program, what would you want?
|
|
|
Post by jpdaley25 on Dec 1, 2008 19:08:09 GMT -6
I have an action statement too, but that wasn't the title of this thread. 99% of the people in the stands don't have a clue that you do anything more than stand on the sidelines on Fri. night. If you want those people behind you, you have to show them where you are leading and how you plan to do it, especially if you know you are not going to be successful right off the bat. It doesn't matter what they do with the sheet, as long as I get my message across and they have a positive feeling about what I'm doing. If someone is bad mouthing you in the stands, one of your supporters will step up and say, "Hey, this guy knows what he's doing. Just give him a little time." I've heard them come to my defense many times. Community and parental support - That's a pretty big base to leave uncovered, and that's one of the ways that I try to cover it. Also, administrators love to see those kinds of things in interviews when you are presenting your total program to them.
|
|
|
Post by indy on Dec 2, 2008 18:22:05 GMT -6
Oh I agree JP, just questioning the real value of that paper. Maybe I'm just too old fashioned, but just not into a paper telling everyone what I should be doing to have a successful program. Our programs have always been result orientated so maybe never had to pre-sell. Just never got into that Vision statement stuff, kind of like that Total Quality Management fad back in the 80's. However if it works for you, use it.
Anyway, I did previously vote and my top 4 are:
1. Staff - quality and continuity 2. Strength & Conditioning program - You start winning games in January 3. Talent - talent can overcome bad coaching, but even the best coaching cannot overcome lack of talent very long. 4. Admin support - Once you have gone through a really bad one, then you will agree to put this one in the top 4.
just my 2 cents.
|
|
gac8666
Sophomore Member
"Living in obscurity" Denver Broncos Offensive Line
Posts: 215
|
Post by gac8666 on Dec 2, 2008 21:52:10 GMT -6
I went with these..
Assistant Coaches- A Heach Coach can not coach all positions. At some point he is going to have to leave position with their coaches alone. Now what do they teach? How do they teach it? Those are all so things that are important. With a great staff a HC can look at the other bigger issues that are happening, and wont have to worry about the scheme, Xs and Os and technique as much.
Continuity of Staff- When it comes down to it, most teams have good schemes and plans. But executing in the crunch time is the differences between winning and loosing. And I think with a continuity of the staff you can build relationship with your players and they will know what to expect. Once they can do that you can get the kids to "give you more" as a coach because they know you care about them. And that really shows in how hard they work in the off season, in the classroom, on the practice field and game field.
Administration- It all starts at the top. If they dont want you to build a program and be successful you wont be. If they are committed to it, they will let you be commited to it and it will go down all the way to the players.
S and C Programs. To make a stretch run deep into the season and playoffs you need to be able to hold up physically. And by the S and C it allows you to practice harder, and play longer and it will show on the field. And its just not in the off season but also during the season S and C.
|
|
sin86
Sophomore Member
Posts: 111
|
Post by sin86 on Dec 3, 2008 16:15:34 GMT -6
Coach is this Copper Basin, Tennessee?
|
|
|
Post by cqmiller on Dec 3, 2008 16:30:00 GMT -6
Had you asked me this question before the last 2 years at my present job, I would have answered completely differently... But I have seen first hand that these 4 are a necessity before the other ones are possible: Administrative Support - If football isn't high on the priority list of the Admin & AD, then little things that are crucial to a program get left out. For example, this past season, the TOTAL budget they used for football was $7,000... Soccer is spending $10,000 just to have portable lights on their practice field so they can practice after it gets dark. We don't have enough shoulder pads or helmets for the number of kids we have out... We have different numbers for home/away jerseys because we can't buy a matching set of uniforms (too much money they say) as well as other issues with practice times, meetings, etc... Major problems. (Only 5 paid positions TOTAL for the program. Every varsity coach is a JV coach too except HC) By the way, AD is the Soccer coach Community Financial Support - As you can tell from the above, $7,000 isn't even close to enough money to run a successful football program. So if you can get financial support from the community this would be key... (We aren't allowed to have a booster club! All concessions from football and the gate go to ALL sports - mandated by Admin) Facilities - Being at such a small school, we only have 1 gym, football game field, baseball game field, softball game field, and one 50yd x 35yd square of a practice field to work with. Weightroom that only has 5 bars in it (total) and can only have a capacity of 30 max (yes it's that small) Other - Discipline... HOLY COW have I found out this is important. If you are not consistant and strict with your discipline, then things can unravel quickly for you. There has been a lot about the GT coach who is probably gonna be coach of the year in D1 this year about his "option scheme" and his "gameplans", but what he really has done over the course of a year is COMPLETELY change the discipline with which the GT program functions. His expectations are clear, concise, and he never wavers. I've seen too many programs with AWESOME talent that I couldn't be happier NOT to be a part of, because they are dysfunctional and terrible programs The first 3 I voted for leads to continuity of staff, quality assistants, leadership and training programs, and salary schedules being better If you have great staff, and a continuous staff, then the "natural talent" in the program will increase... weightroom stuff falls in line as well as all the other things. I think that they are all crucial, but to have a chance to build the staff and program, you must have the Administrative Support, Community Financial Support, Facilities, and Discipline. The rest will fall into place quickly if build with those 4 as the base of the program.
|
|
gac8666
Sophomore Member
"Living in obscurity" Denver Broncos Offensive Line
Posts: 215
|
Post by gac8666 on Dec 3, 2008 18:32:51 GMT -6
Great stuff Cqmiller. I agree 100%
|
|
|
Post by shocktroop34 on Nov 15, 2013 9:55:24 GMT -6
If Admin support wasn't in your top two, then you probably have a decent administration. If you have it, I hope that you always do. I've been involved with administrators that do not support football (or the coach). They can absolutely decimate a program, and life can be hell.
|
|
|
Post by coachkb14 on Nov 15, 2013 23:21:37 GMT -6
One thing not on this list that I feel is very important is film study. Average players can be good players and good players can be great players if they put time in watching film and studying their opponents.
|
|
beebe
Freshmen Member
Posts: 32
|
Post by beebe on Nov 16, 2013 7:03:48 GMT -6
Continuity of staff - we had our best success when we stayed together for a few years and didn't change our schemes constantly....good coaches trying ti improve is key. Admin Support - vital, but you have to communicate with them as well. Leadership training - we had good teams before the training but they took off after we actually trained the leaders. Strength and Conditioning - the heart and soul of any program.... all the rest are important as well ....a lot of stuff to work on as head coach
|
|
|
Post by CS on Nov 16, 2013 8:10:41 GMT -6
I know this is a thread for the things that you need as a head coach to be successful and I agree with CQ completely. However, you can have everything on that list and still be unsuccessful.
We have one of the best weight rooms in our conference, a rich guy who gives us money, the superintendents grandson is on the team, the AD is a former state championship winning football coach who went to school here and the asst at this small school are pretty dang accomplished.
But we have no plan or vision as a program. There is no strong leader at the top who can guide the ship so we never know what is going on or what is expected of us.
So really what I'm saying is even if you can get all these wonderful things it won't matter if you don't know what to do with them.
|
|
|
Post by coachklee on Nov 16, 2013 9:19:13 GMT -6
cq: Thanks...I will keep that in mind when I start to look at possible HC gigs.
|
|
|
Post by coach2013 on Nov 16, 2013 12:15:30 GMT -6
There's a big one here not listed, and that's "successful / well-coached feeder program." I believe this is a HUGE part of the success of a consistently strong program. This!!!!! as we struggle with very little experience at key positions the last two weeks, nothing would make me happier to have a few more kids who live, breath football and have played for 6-8 years...and watch and know the game.
|
|
|
Post by shields on Nov 17, 2013 10:10:47 GMT -6
Admin support. Great asst. coaches. Booster club / community financial support. Strength and conditioning program.
If your administration isn't supportive, you're dead in the water. If you are in a rural program, you need those teaching vacancies to help you get coaches. If you can't trust your assistant coaches to get the job done, they are worthless. I am a firm believer in not nickle and diming the kids to death. We are one of the only program left at our school that doesn't charge the kids to play ball. Spirit packs are optional. We have extra socks, tees, etc. for kids to borrow if they don't have items. Strength is mandatory when you have average to below average athletes. It goes a long way to giving you a chance to compete.
|
|
|
Post by JVD on Nov 17, 2013 11:12:32 GMT -6
1) Admin support 2) Community support 3) Committed, smart, GREAT TEACHER TYPE (Doesn't mean they are literally a school teacher....just GREAT at teaching) coaches. 4) A program....not a Varsity, JV, and Jr. High TEAMS...but a football PROGRAM. Getting younger kids involved with the Varsity guys. Getting the Varsity involved in the Jr. High teams...lots of ways to skin the cat...but the younger kids have to look at the older kids and say, "I want to be like Jimmy!!"
JVD
Sent from my Nexus 7 using proboards
|
|
|
Post by rsmith627 on Nov 17, 2013 12:33:58 GMT -6
1) Admin support 2) Community support 3) Committed, smart, GREAT TEACHER TYPE (Doesn't mean they are literally a school teacher....just GREAT at teaching) coaches. 4) A program....not a Varsity, JV, and Jr. High TEAMS...but a football PROGRAM. Getting younger kids involved with the Varsity guys. Getting the Varsity involved in the Jr. High teams...lots of ways to skin the cat...but the younger kids have to look at the older kids and say, "I want to be like Jimmy!!" JVD Sent from my Nexus 7 using proboards Exactly this, although I'd argue that your 2 and 3 are more like 2a and 2b. You have to have community support for a lot of reasons. I'd also add parents that aren't helicopter parents and know when to let me coach and butt the hell out and keep their opinions to themselves. I haven't really had parent problems, but I'm also not a HC yet. I know that one day when I am, it's inevitable.
|
|
|
Post by coachd5085 on Nov 17, 2013 13:00:16 GMT -6
There's a big one here not listed, and that's "successful / well-coached feeder program." I believe this is a HUGE part of the success of a consistently strong program. This!!!!! as we struggle with very little experience at key positions the last two weeks, nothing would make me happier to have a few more kids who live, breath football and have played for 6-8 years...and watch and know the game. I agree, but I do want to discern a well coached/well run feeder program from "youth programs/jr high programs run the same system, use same terminology etc". That is absolutely unimportant. Having kids who are interested in playing football, and understand the concepts of hard work, team, and toughness is paramount.
|
|