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Post by cbrown18 on Nov 27, 2008 14:07:35 GMT -6
QUESTION: Does Tebow become the "wildcat" QB of the NFL if so will it change the way the NFL game is played?
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Post by cc on Nov 27, 2008 14:41:22 GMT -6
I think he will be a great clipboard holder for some team  And then off the bench he could win a game or two (and lose 4 or 5) |
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Post by wingt74 on Nov 27, 2008 15:17:49 GMT -6
Some bad team will take him, and he'll have a career like Andre Ware
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Post by coachweigelt on Nov 27, 2008 15:27:07 GMT -6
well, that's what all people said about Vince (he is a runner etc)... I have to say he can PASS the ball!! Same thing for Tebow, he has some great touch on his passes lately, so I think he is going to be a great dual thread QB for the NFL, he will sit for a while and then gets his chance...
But I also have to agree with khalfie, Urb is forcing it!
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Post by cc on Nov 27, 2008 16:10:10 GMT -6
Theoretical Q --- If you needed a QB...would your take Tebow or Vick? Assuming Vick is "ready" to play.
#2 - What team(s) do you think will take a chance on Vick?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2008 19:05:44 GMT -6
I don't know if Tebow will be a good pro or not, but if I HAD to go between those two, I'd take Tebow and not think twice about it. I personally thought Vick was overrated anyway. But, take that with a grain of salt--I once declared the Bears got the steal of the draft the year Cade McNown fell to them  |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 27, 2008 19:13:46 GMT -6
I think Tim Tebowe will make a good football player in the NFL. I don't know if it will be at the QB position, but I just think he is a quality human being, a quality football player, and someone is going to give him a decent shot to help their club in some capacity, be it QB, TE, FB..
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Post by ccscoach on Nov 28, 2008 8:35:22 GMT -6
I think Mike Vick will get picked up by the Dallas Cowboys and they will use him as a running back and quarterback in a single wing package. Jerry Jones loves to take chances (example PAC MAN and TANK JOHNSON)
Tim Tebow and Pat White are both NFL quarterbacks.
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Post by davecisar on Nov 28, 2008 9:02:00 GMT -6
Former QB Scott Frost from Nebraska played 4-5 years in the NFL at Safety, similar players, character wise size, speed, etc. But Tebows abit bigger and better. Would think someone could figure out how to get him on the field somewhere.
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Post by tye2021 on Nov 28, 2008 11:51:55 GMT -6
If he can catch i think alot of teams may want to try him at TE given his size. But I think someone will be willing to take a chance on him as a QB.
Projecting QB's in the NFL or any position for that matter is not an exact science. Who knows what he will be able to do as a QB if given a FAIR chance.
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Post by ccox16 on Nov 28, 2008 14:09:13 GMT -6
I dont understand why everyone says he cant play QB at the next level. He shows week in and week out that he can throw against the best defenses in the SEC. Big deal he plays mostly out of the shot gun. He's shown that he can read defenses and make the right throw, the running is just an added bonus.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 28, 2008 16:56:20 GMT -6
I dont understand why everyone says he cant play QB at the next level. He shows week in and week out that he can throw against the best defenses in the SEC. Big deal he plays mostly out of the shot gun. He's shown that he can read defenses and make the right throw, the running is just an added bonus. So did : Danny Wuerffeul Rex Grossman Jessie Palmer Shane Matthews Steve Tanneyhill Eric Zier David Greene Heath Shuler etc. etc. |
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Post by Yash on Nov 28, 2008 17:08:48 GMT -6
Tim Tebow and Pat White are both NFL quarterbacks. Pat White is not an NFL QB. Have you ever seen that guy win a game with his arm? Pat White has the chance to be what Brad Smith is for the jets, he will NOT play QB in the NFL. |
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Post by coachtut on Nov 28, 2008 17:17:49 GMT -6
I think someone will give him a chance. They discussed this on TV the other day and I thought the most realistic scenerio was projecting him as an H-Back. Similar to Cooley on the Redskins.
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Post by spreadattack on Nov 29, 2008 10:34:04 GMT -6
He can succeed; he has lots of tools. Needs to be a 3rd rounder or so and develop in a good fit (like ANY QB in the Pros). I think he takes too many hits in college, no way he can do that in the Pros. His legs will help but he isn't raw-fast to do those things in the Pros, though his legs will help him early in his career - a la Steve Young.
I do find the Vince Young comparison humorous: I don't think Tim Tebow wants to be the next Vince Young in the Pros. Again, Steve Young might be better.
Tebow is a good kid, a hard worker, has lots of tools, and will just have to develop like anyone else. And he has enough talent to play another position if he wanted.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 29, 2008 10:40:21 GMT -6
I find it interesting that so many people have iron clad opinions (ehem...."dolt"  ) on the future of a player with Tebow's style of play when it is PAINFULLY, BRUTALLY obvious that "can't miss, sure fire LOCKS" are at best a 50%-50% proposition in the NFL. The only thing we can garner from history with any degree of certainty is that Playing QB in the NFL is DRASTICALLY different than doing so in college. |
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Post by Yash on Nov 29, 2008 12:09:51 GMT -6
I think that Tebow's best chance for NFL success is behind a solid starter where he can sit on the bench, hold a clipboard and let the coaching staff work with and evaluate him for 2 or three years before he ever has to take a snap. Now we can say that about most rookie QB's in the NFL. Everyone know's that Tebow is a big physical player, has some speed, can run the ball and we know he can throw the ball. He is a pretty good thrower. Can he run a pro style offense is I think one of the main questions. Can he run an offense under center. I think he could play other positions but lets not forget that this guy has thrown for 2500-3000 yards the last two seasons. This isn't Eric Crouch or scott Frost. He can throw the ball.
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Post by morris on Nov 29, 2008 13:23:41 GMT -6
Why do people think he is fragile? I agree he will not be able to play QB like he does now at FL but I do not understand why he could not play another position. He is not a small guy. He could play another position if he wanted to on top of give you a little something different to use at times.
The CFL is an intersting place for him. Not saying that is his first or best choice but it could be interesting.
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Post by cbrown18 on Nov 29, 2008 21:17:45 GMT -6
Let me rephrase...
Given his size, speed, durability, arm strength and accuracy, athleticism, competitiveness, intelligence, etc. - does a team draft Tim Tebow to extend the use of the "wildcat" style of offense in the NFL?
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Post by 19delta on Nov 29, 2008 21:27:21 GMT -6
Let me rephrase... Given his size, speed, durability, arm strength and accuracy, athleticism, competitiveness, intelligence, etc. - does a team draft Tim Tebow to extend the use of the "wildcat" style of offense in the NFL? I think he gets drafted as a quarterback, period. |
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Post by dsqa on Dec 3, 2008 9:27:07 GMT -6
I think Tim will do fine in the NFL, because it requires the intangibles he possesses to play there. Yes, he is physical and capable, and an average thrower, but he has the mental faculty and character to survive. Do the investigation on which ones make and those who don't. I am not talking about freakish talent that plays because of the dollars invested to justify it, I am talking about the second tier player who will have to fight for his dinner at the table. Tim will be an underdog as he comes out, and he loves being there, just look at what he has done since coming up short on 4th and 1 against Ole Miss.
For what its worth, here's my take....
He will be drafted lower than he should because of the naysayer prognosticators who pontificate wildly, and oft times ignorantly from their vast Pop Warner level experience at Quarterback, and he will land in an NFL camp that values those attributes about him.
He will develop in the shadow of a veteran, and become a fine NFL quarterback that might get his chance, if the starter gets hurt and he proves himself worthy of the opportunity. He will run some, and will probably be given some "wild...." opportunities, and be reasonably mobile. The thing I do believe about him, is that when he plays, he will win. Not because he is the best quarterback in the league, or even better than the opposing quarterback he is playing, he will win because he doesn't believe he should lose - ever.
Matt Flynn did it, because he has those traits, and Tebow is a similar type of competitor. The NFL QB has that 10% mix of intangibles that isn't present in those who just talk about it. It can be described from many different vantage points and angles, but in the end, it isn't talent alone that makes the NFL QB- That special mix is simply character - and it always will be.
Sorry to resurrect a dead thread, but I just got to reading...
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Post by touchdownmaker on Dec 3, 2008 10:16:58 GMT -6
Tebo, round 6
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Post by fatkicker on Dec 3, 2008 11:14:18 GMT -6
pontificate.....wow......had to look it up......
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Post by scoresalot on Dec 3, 2008 11:35:18 GMT -6
I think Tim will do fine in the NFL, because it requires the intangibles he possesses to play there. Yes, he is physical and capable, and an average thrower, but he has the mental faculty and character to survive. Do the investigation on which ones make and those who don't. I am not talking about freakish talent that plays because of the dollars invested to justify it, I am talking about the second tier player who will have to fight for his dinner at the table. Tim will be an underdog as he comes out, and he loves being there, just look at what he has done since coming up short on 4th and 1 against Ole Miss. For what its worth, here's my take.... He will be drafted lower than he should because of the naysayer prognosticators who pontificate wildly, and oft times ignorantly from their vast Pop Warner level experience at Quarterback, and he will land in an NFL camp that values those attributes about him. He will develop in the shadow of a veteran, and become a fine NFL quarterback that might get his chance, if the starter gets hurt and he proves himself worthy of the opportunity. He will run some, and will probably be given some "wild...." opportunities, and be reasonably mobile. The thing I do believe about him, is that when he plays, he will win. Not because he is the best quarterback in the league, or even better than the opposing quarterback he is playing, he will win because he doesn't believe he should lose - ever. Matt Flynn did it, because he has those traits, and Tebow is a similar type of competitor. The NFL QB has that 10% mix of intangibles that isn't present in those who just talk about it. It can be described from many different vantage points and angles, but in the end, it isn't talent alone that makes the NFL QB- That special mix is simply character - and it always will be. Sorry to resurrect a dead thread, but I just got to reading... Very well stated, and I completely agree. He may not be the prettiest or "best" quarterback or the most "pure" passer, but he does one thing, game in and game out, HE WINS! Steve Young, Terry Bradshaw, Eli Manning, Joe Montana, etc. etc. etc. None of them were considered great quarterbacks coming into the league, but they have all seemed to do pretty well for themselves. With his makeup, I would not put it past him to end up on a list like this. |
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Post by coachbb on Dec 3, 2008 13:47:07 GMT -6
Uhh, Terry Bradshaw and Eli Manning were the first overall picks in their respective drafts.
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Post by CoachCP on Dec 3, 2008 13:50:20 GMT -6
I really think he'll do well. He just has that "it" factor, and he can throw on the move with accuracy. He can throw in the pocket accurately. Nothing not to like.
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Post by dsqa on Dec 3, 2008 14:24:03 GMT -6
fatkicker - LOL, I use big words when I am pontificating... As a pure thrower, at the risk of sounding like I am contradicting myself, he will take a beating at the hands of those "experts" I mentioned before. On the move, he is more in control of his timing, and therefore excels. His dropback accuracy comes from strength, great vision down field (meaning spatial awareness between receivers and DBs), and a lot of sheer willpower, not necessarily the finesse that he will so definitely need. In other words, his dropback mechanics are lagging behind his much more significant strength, vision, and will. He will be slammed for this in the draft run. His release is too long, and NFL DBs will make him pay for it. Matt Flynn has a very quick release(.367-.383 seconds - avg. D1/NFL - .4 seconds - Timed from off hand leaving the ball) and talked to us about how difficult it was to stay ahead of the DBs. They are just so fast, and read so well, not just the QBs, but the receivers, that this will be something he will need to adjust. It can be changed, and changed quickly, if he gets the right folks around him. This doesn't diminish one bit of his potential, and because of his humble character, it is my bet, he will get the help he needs make the changes he will need to make and do just fine. |
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Post by spreadattack on Dec 3, 2008 15:23:10 GMT -6
Darin, what do you recommend for decreasing the relief time?
I also think you make great points. I too think that where he will end up will be a team that appreciates his talent. One of the nice things about being a guy who will definitely be drafted but not a lock first day pick. Better to go to someone who wants you.
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Post by dsqa on Dec 3, 2008 22:45:09 GMT -6
Chris, are you typing with your tongue in your teeth - relief?? LOL
The Simple Answer, hold the ball in the front hand longer in the stride, and lengthen the stride to the necessary requirements of the throw, but not beyond landing on the ball of the front foot to protect the transfer of weight...Builds core torque, encourages a leg drive, rather than a step, and increases the sense of urgency for acceleration. There are some really cool, fun things in there.
However, there is one critical component required to make this happen... you have to know where you are going, and how to get there, with the arm - and that my friend, is where zero comes in, along with the understanding of sequential release, compression, extension, and the trampoline effect. All very cool, common sense, stuff that makes throwing the football fun to learn. And what is even cooler is that they understand it.
Unfortunately, the prevailing thought on throwing is to encourage QBs to get as tall as possible, on the balls of the feet, generate a high elbow release as fast as possible, and thereby assist gravitational force by pulling down and around on the release, and that pretty much negates the whole ball of wax. Just move everything faster with a really short stride.
What most coaches who borrow NFL ideas, like the short stride, fail to grasp or mention is the widening of the QBs base that precedes the short stride. Thus, at the lower levels, you get a shoulder width apart prepass position, and you end up with an unnaturally stilted stride (we call it the pole valut- LOL), from an overly tall QB, whose release takes forever, because he hasn't understood something very basic...if you hold the ball longer, the release is faster. (Provided you understand how to support in your body timing, the newly, and highly, accelerated arm, things can get pretty awesome in a hurry!)
Its too bad really, Chris, because it is scary how good some very talented QBs could be, if they really understood some of these common sense concepts and how to apply them.
We are slowly getting there. But, thanks for asking, it is always fun to coach a little here.
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) on the future of a player with Tebow's style of play when it is PAINFULLY, BRUTALLY obvious that "can't miss, sure fire LOCKS" are at best a 50%-50% proposition in the NFL. 
