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Post by bigdog2003 on Nov 22, 2008 16:53:07 GMT -6
Its about 2 hours away! I can't wait to see how many points these teams combine to score.
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Post by khalfie on Nov 22, 2008 18:56:05 GMT -6
I just want to know what Ok calls its defense...
Because everyone and their momma is going to want to run after tonight...
Can I getr film rights on it?
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Post by saintrad on Nov 22, 2008 19:15:48 GMT -6
THE GAME IS ON! GUNS UP!
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 22, 2008 19:21:09 GMT -6
Saw a Leach interview this morning.. he talked about how his offense is just about solving a series of problems..
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 22, 2008 20:53:20 GMT -6
anyone want to buy a used collection of Air Raid stuff....lol...
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Post by jmh21 on Nov 22, 2008 20:57:50 GMT -6
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Post by Yash on Nov 22, 2008 22:16:16 GMT -6
I almost ditched the girlfriend tonight to watch this game, glad I didn't. Is Big Game Bob back finally? I'm going to have to watch the tape to see what they did on defense. What a performance.
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Post by utchuckd on Nov 22, 2008 23:03:09 GMT -6
Maybe Leach should've called Chris Petersen.
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Post by towtheline on Nov 23, 2008 2:00:57 GMT -6
Is Oklahoma running up the score? Is there a sportsmanship issue here? Or... is the Air Raid, like that Grinnell basketball system... when its not working... you are going to get running clocked or embarrassed. I was at the game and I just got back running your offense with mainly 3rd team guys isn't running up the score or an embarrassment... on the other hand letting your starters play the whole game when they didn't stand a chance even when they woke up this morning (Leach), is pretty embarrassing... |
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Post by psbrowning on Nov 23, 2008 2:31:07 GMT -6
You guys can bash the offense all you wont... bang wagoner's come and go..bottom line is the Texas Tech's defense put the offense's back against the wall. The offense had an uphill battle from the start, yea the offense dint start clicking at first, but it dint matter after it was 21-0.
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Post by kkennedy on Nov 23, 2008 3:55:46 GMT -6
You guys can bash the offense all you wont... bang wagoner's come and go..bottom line is the Texas Tech's defense put the offense's back against the wall. The offense had an uphill battle from the start, yea the offense dint start clicking at first, but it dint matter after it was 21-0. I disagree. sincerely Glen Mason (from the unemployment line) and the Golden Gophers. |
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Post by airraider on Nov 23, 2008 5:55:56 GMT -6
Who could have actually expected TT to beat Texas, Oklahoma St, and then Oklahoma? The first two were major feats.. but the run has to stop somewhere..
Obviously they were not out classed.. Oklahoma lost to Texas and TT beat Texas.. Just Oklahoma was very well coached last night.. and they asked the questions that TT had no answers for..
At this point.. I am not sure it matters anyway.. I dont see anyone beating Florida if they continue to play at the level they have been working at the past few weeks..
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Post by spreadattack on Nov 23, 2008 7:50:14 GMT -6
heck of a deal last night. OU does play this team better than anyone. I can't think it is cuz they know the schemes; the OU guys all know how Leach practices and what he is trying to do. They saw how they got defended, and they have great talent. It's a team loss, including the offense (turnovers lead directly to many scores).
A lot of people want this game to be a referendum on leach and the airraid. Maybe a part of stoops did (hearing about how they won a title with leach's offense all week). But I think it's hard to say that.
What I will say is there's plenty good to say about the old fashioned approach. Not just running, but running well and mixing in the playaction. I need to see the tape, but with tech's line overmatched, their LBs and secondary had a hell of a time trying to cover both. Obviously there's a talent gap, but watching the offenses was so different: tech trying to squeeze in pass after pass into tight spots for 7 yard gains, while OU did whatever they wanted.
Feel bad for tech's kids since they've fought hard all season and I've been on both sides of that kind of thrashing, though never on nat'l tv.
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Post by Yash on Nov 23, 2008 8:19:47 GMT -6
A lot of people want this game to be a referendum on leach and the airraid. Maybe a part of stoops did (hearing about how they won a title with leach's offense all week). But I think it's hard to say that. Just to correct you, OU didn't win a national Title with Leach running the offense, He left the year before they won it. |
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Post by tye2021 on Nov 23, 2008 8:53:58 GMT -6
A lot of people want this game to be a referendum on leach and the airraid. Maybe a part of stoops did (hearing about how they won a title with leach's offense all week). But I think it's hard to say that. Just to correct you, OU didn't win a national Title with Leach running the offense, He left the year before they won it. Yash, I could be wrong here. but i don't think that he is saying OU won with leach as the coach(oc) at OU, but that they were still running Leaches offense the year they won the National title. TT just looked out matched on both sides of the ball. Strong Running game, passing game and constant pressure from OU's defense seemed to much for TT to over come. TT never found any rythem on offense. Just an overpowering performance by OU. OU vs FL for national title??? Game of the year implications??? |
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Post by hemlock on Nov 23, 2008 8:54:22 GMT -6
I think we should be careful about heaping this loss on the offense. In reality, they were out-athleted, pure and simple. This was particularly apparent on defense. I saw most of the first half from the airport and to tell you the truth I thought that their protection was not bad and that they had people open. Harrell was pressing. Case in pont: Tech was driving in the 2nd quarter and they ran the Mesh. The "H" was wide open and had throttled down in the void, yet Harrell went to Crabtree on the Corner which had already been hopped. Musberger, the fricking moron with his slap d--k pal Herby erroneously called the "Crabtree" Texas play (absolutely unexcusable for people who cover football for a living). The point of this is that in the first half alone I counted a number of these instances where the scheme was right, the receiver was open, but they just did not execute.
In response to spread, I would simply say that OU should be able to do whatever they want given the talent they have. Regardless of scheme, they have the horses to simply just line up and have their way with anybody they face.
Also, I did not think the windows were that much tighter than they were against Texas. The problem is that the game snowballed from the beginning. Remember, Leach has beaten OU twice, so its not like they have the book on how to defend his system. What they did last night was schematically very similar to what they did last year.
The shame is that Tech should go to a BCS bowl and not Texas; however, I fear that simply won't happen.
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Post by tye2021 on Nov 23, 2008 8:56:08 GMT -6
BTW, I m not saying OU was still running Leaches system. Because I don't know!!!!
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Post by Yash on Nov 23, 2008 9:08:47 GMT -6
You are probably right, he probably did mean Leach's offense and not Leach running the offense. I stand corrected.
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Post by morris on Nov 23, 2008 9:16:49 GMT -6
A lot of people want this game to be a referendum on leach and the airraid. Maybe a part of stoops did (hearing about how they won a title with leach's offense all week). But I think it's hard to say that. Just to correct you, OU didn't win a national Title with Leach running the offense, He left the year before they won it. They still ran his offesne after he left. That is what he is saying. Stoops HATES that offense. That is why he brought in Leach in the first place. He hated defending it while he was at FL and Leach was at UK. OU just shoved the ball down TT throat. Their OL just overpowered TT up front. While I am sure some people have gotten tired of hearing about the Air Raid offense that is not where the issue is. That is like saying no one should ever run the Miami 43 because GT gutted them. |
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Post by bigdog2003 on Nov 23, 2008 9:39:00 GMT -6
The Raiders seemed to be to ready when the game started. OU just ran right at them, and they were over pursuing. The offense seemed out of wack after OU kept blitzing. Tech will be fine, and will not lose again this year.
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Post by k on Nov 23, 2008 10:32:17 GMT -6
I think everyone is missing a huge point here. How many kids from TT would start for OU?
OU should have blown them away...
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Post by psbrowning on Nov 23, 2008 10:48:42 GMT -6
The problem is that the game snowballed from the beginning. Remember, Leach has beaten OU twice, so its not like they have the book on how to defend his system. Exactly RIGHT! It snow balled from the start, the offense wasnt playing at its best thats a given, but still its kind of demoralizing for ANY offense to feel they HAVE TO SCORE EVERY TIME just to have a shot at winning. As for the comments disagreeing with me and throwing up the comeback game against Minessota, that team did not have half the athletes Oklahoma did last nite, and that is just a proven case of showing how explosive the offense can be. Haters will hate, band wagoner's will come and go, but those who believe in the air raid knows what it can do, especially when the talent is equal. |
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Post by Yash on Nov 23, 2008 11:46:01 GMT -6
Have you seen TT's offensive line? Those guys are huge. They talked about how texas couldn't get to the QB against those guys. Before this game everyone was talking about how it was going to be a shoot out, how no one could stop TT's offense. No one was saying TT was an underdog before the game. Now that Oklahoma blew them out people are coming out and saying that OU had way better players and OU was the better team. Did everyone all of the sudden forget that Texas Tech was ranked #2 going into that game?
I'm not a fan of either team, I'm also not a big fan of excuses for why they lost after all week is was talked about how good TT was.
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Post by towtheline on Nov 23, 2008 12:49:24 GMT -6
A lot of people want this game to be a referendum on leach and the airraid. Maybe a part of stoops did (hearing about how they won a title with leach's offense all week). But I think it's hard to say that. Just to correct you, OU didn't win a national Title with Leach running the offense, He left the year before they won it. true, OU won the national title with Eric Manginos offense that he runs at Kansas now |
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Post by Yash on Nov 23, 2008 13:04:09 GMT -6
Slight correction, Mark Mangino
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Post by dubber on Nov 23, 2008 13:17:45 GMT -6
I think everyone is missing a huge point here. How many kids from TT would start for OU? Crabtree. You think a kid like Eric Morris got a scholly offer from OU? TT has had a lot more Morris' than they have Crabtree's. Real proof of the talent gap is on defense......spreadattack was right, the OU OL just smashed over the TT front. That will ALWAYS get you beat. That being said, they got rolled on last night. Sometimes in an even boxing match, a guy gets jumped on early, and a round and a half later, everyone is pissed off because they spent 49.99 on 7 minutes of boxing. Point is, that is what OU did. They got on top, and didn't get off. I honestly don't believe this would be the outcome if they played again. From an analytical perspective, OU just gave a blueprint on how to handle a high power passing offense....... 1.) Don't try to "MAN UP" and blitz a ton 2.) Keep the receivers in front of you and limit Y.A.C. (this was huge imo) 3.) Common to any smart defensive game plan, stop the stud. However, anyone who equates this lose to the Air Raid offense is ignorant. The offense works, but there is no magic bullet. I think Leach nailed it, it was a matter of TT not doing what they have done all year.......he was more disappointed with his team losing focus than anything else. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 23, 2008 13:35:13 GMT -6
I don't think people are looking at the results of this game, and are saying "see, I knew the air raid wouldn't work".
What I DO think might happen is that some coaches (you know who I am talking about) might enjoy a bit of a reality check. The coaches who last year thought "wow, all i need to do is install the Run and Shoot, and I will just win all sorts of games" up until the Sugar Bowl. The coaches who this year thought "Oh, all I need to do is run 'the air raid' offense and I will never be stopped" up until last night.
Ultimately, because of the very rules of the game, this fundamental principle of football will always be true :
" The EASIEST way to win a football game is to physically dominate your opponent on the lines of scrimmage by running the football"
NOTE--this does NOT mean that it is an easy task or that it is the only way. Just that it is the easiest and most common way.
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Post by towtheline on Nov 23, 2008 13:42:09 GMT -6
Slight correction, Mark Mangino haha I have no idea why I put Eric but yes, the correct name is Mark Mangino |
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Post by los on Nov 23, 2008 13:43:27 GMT -6
Yep....and don't turn the ball over a half dozen times, allowing the other offense to start inside your own 10 yard line....this always helps too!
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Post by bighit65 on Nov 23, 2008 14:05:10 GMT -6
Actually, if you look at the history between Stoops led teams vs. TT, they do know how to defend this offense. They've only actually lost to Tech once. Last year. The other time the running back was clearly down at the one, but was given the game winning TD. Youtube it.
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