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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2008 6:05:29 GMT -6
What would you do , if anyone's familiar with the disaster we had this year, what road would you choose.
a) Return to the team as head coach ..with the promise from the organization that things will DEFINITELY be better next year, however th coaches on the team below are most likely still going to be there
b) Move to the next team up , away from the problem coaches below, possibly, losing the head coach title. (sidenote I was offered the HC position on this team as well) , However you will get the same bunch of 1st year athletes you had this year.
c) Leave the organization all together , and go to another team, but that team is going through a very bad situation right now.
d) Start your own organization, which requires alot of capital and time, which we aren't able to obtain right now
e) Throw my name into the HS ranks, which would require a change of employment. A friend of mine mentioned my name to a very prominent football (formerly nationally ranked) school in the area. But it's a whole new realm, and I don't have a degree (close though)
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Post by 19delta on Nov 15, 2008 6:47:36 GMT -6
What would you do , if anyone's familiar with the disaster we had this year, what road would you choose. a) Return to the team as head coach ..with the promise from the organization that things will DEFINITELY be better next year, however th coaches on the team below are most likely still going to be there How are things going to get better when the people most responsible for the current situation are still in place? b) Move to the next team up , away from the problem coaches below, possibly, losing the head coach title. (sidenote I was offered the HC position on this team as well) , However you will get the same bunch of 1st year athletes you had this year. What is your motivation as a coach? Do you want to help kids improve and get them to learn something or do you want to simply walk into a good situation and win? Not saying that one is necessarily better than the other, just that you have to figure out what your motivations for coaching are. c) Leave the organization all together , and go to another team, but that team is going through a very bad situation right now. Why leave a team with a bunch of problems for another team with a bunch of problems? d) Start your own organization, which requires alot of capital and time, which we aren't able to obtain right now I think you answered your own question here. e) Throw my name into the HS ranks, which would require a change of employment. A friend of mine mentioned my name to a very prominent football (formerly nationally ranked) school in the area. But it's a whole new realm, and I don't have a degree (close though) Get that degree and you will have a lot more options.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2008 7:40:06 GMT -6
unfortunately, these are my options for next year, unless you count hanging it all up
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Post by phantom on Nov 15, 2008 8:21:53 GMT -6
unfortunately, these are my options for next year, unless you count hanging it all up Then get your degree. That doesn't mean hanging it up for good. You may need to stop coaching until you graduate but that's true for most coaches.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2008 8:44:16 GMT -6
unfortunately, these are my options for next year, unless you count hanging it all up Then get your degree. That doesn't mean hanging it up for good. You may need to stop coaching until you graduate but that's true for most coaches. That's tough too, I work rotating shifts, (LEO) which isn't too condusive to going back to school, even if it's for the 4-5 courses I need to finish
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Post by coachorr on Nov 15, 2008 8:53:26 GMT -6
Stay where you are at.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2008 22:41:54 GMT -6
That's tough too, I work rotating shifts, (LEO) which isn't too condusive to going back to school, even if it's for the 4-5 courses I need to finish That's an excuse. When it's important enough to you, you'll do whatever it takes to make it happen. I find that a pretty pitiful attitude for a coach to take. Now that may not be a priority for you right now, and if that's the case, then say that. To shy away from something because it's difficult isn't anything I'd want any of my players to do...EVER. Easy for me to say...no, not really: I worked a full time factory job and went to school full time with a wife and 2 kids. I worked 3rd shift 10:00 pm to 7:00 am, went to school from 8:00 am to 3:30 pm...and did it for 3 years. Had to quit to do my student teaching, picked up several odd jobs to make ends meet but then again, in 1992 my supervisor told me I was not going to be "allowed" to coach football the following year and I "had better realize which side of the bread my butter is on". WHO the PHUK is she to tell me what I can and can't do? Started in Jan 93, graduated in June 96...took me 3.5 years, but I like this butter a lot better. Pitiful ? Wow arent we quite the judgemental one . Excuse...nope, I'm not making any excuses, nor am I "shying away" from anything that's difficult, trust me I dont back down from too many things, sometimes I'm stupid like that, call it a bad trait . I'm also not choosing coaching over finishing up my undergraduate. Your situation was very different than mine, coach, you had a set schedule, yeah it was a {censored} of a schedule, but the hours were consistent, at least until you finished your degree. I'm a Law Enforcement officer, work rotating shifts, don't know how much you know about Law Enforcement, but we very rarely get home when the shift ends. Couple that with working nights one month and days the next, then go try to find a school that does the same............. I did it doesn't exist. What you pulled off was impressive, but we're in 2 entirely different situations. If given the time I'd go back i a heartbeat
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Post by canesfan on Nov 16, 2008 20:16:01 GMT -6
Coach I can relate to you a little bit. I'm in the process of working two jobs, and finishing my teaching degree. For the past two years, I was lucky enough to be the head coach for our towns 5th and 6th grade pee wee football team. The situation sucked at times because the people in charge of the program had kids on the 3rd and 4th grade team, and we really got the shaft. I was 18 years old the first year and only did the job because no one else would do it. And i was totally on my own. Couldn't please those in charge of the league, I honestly don't think they wanted us to win, epecially when their team had lost. My team, THE OLDER TEAM, was given the last choice of equipment, which meant we got crap. The level of backstabbing that went on was unbelieveable, especially considering the fact that i was a year out of high school and THEY HAD BEGGED ME TO TAKE THE JOB. I was lucky enough to have a great relationship with the parents of the kids on my team fortunately. After season two, I really wasn't sure what I wanted to do. I had talked myself into giving up the job, and just finishing school. Turns out they had the same idea and gave the job to a guy that they would end up running off midway through the season. I'm telling you this because if you coach for the kids, not being out there when "your" team is playing on Saturdays or whenever is heartbreaking, no matter how bad the situation is there. When it comes down to it, the kids are what makes coaching football worth while, not how you are treated or anything else. The lession I learned was that the disadvantages that our team faced, made our success more enjoyable. Take it from someone who has been in a similar situation, if it is at all possible to stay with your team, DO IT. It's worth it. I missed being on the field so badly, that I ended up helping our middle school team (7th and 8th grade), which had alot of the boys that i had coached before. Coaching is contagious and addictive, if you love it stick with it. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 17:57:13 GMT -6
Coach I can relate to you a little bit. I'm in the process of working two jobs, and finishing my teaching degree. For the past two years, I was lucky enough to be the head coach for our towns 5th and 6th grade pee wee football team. The situation sucked at times because the people in charge of the program had kids on the 3rd and 4th grade team, and we really got the shaft. I was 18 years old the first year and only did the job because no one else would do it. And i was totally on my own. Couldn't please those in charge of the league, I honestly don't think they wanted us to win, epecially when their team had lost. My team, THE OLDER TEAM, was given the last choice of equipment, which meant we got crap. The level of backstabbing that went on was unbelieveable, especially considering the fact that i was a year out of high school and THEY HAD BEGGED ME TO TAKE THE JOB. I was lucky enough to have a great relationship with the parents of the kids on my team fortunately. After season two, I really wasn't sure what I wanted to do. I had talked myself into giving up the job, and just finishing school. Turns out they had the same idea and gave the job to a guy that they would end up running off midway through the season. I'm telling you this because if you coach for the kids, not being out there when "your" team is playing on Saturdays or whenever is heartbreaking, no matter how bad the situation is there. When it comes down to it, the kids are what makes coaching football worth while, not how you are treated or anything else. The lession I learned was that the disadvantages that our team faced, made our success more enjoyable. Take it from someone who has been in a similar situation, if it is at all possible to stay with your team, DO IT. It's worth it. I missed being on the field so badly, that I ended up helping our middle school team (7th and 8th grade), which had alot of the boys that i had coached before. Coaching is contagious and addictive, if you love it stick with it. The grass isn't always greener on the other side. I'll say It's been my habit for the past 10 years
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Post by canesfan on Nov 17, 2008 21:40:08 GMT -6
Well coach i'd say if you can just stick with it. Something better may come along, but i wouldn't move latterally, from one bad organization to another. Something good will come up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2008 11:22:21 GMT -6
They wanted the commitmanet for next season this past weekend, I told them I'm going to stay..
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Post by coachdoug on Nov 18, 2008 11:53:38 GMT -6
They wanted the commitmanet for next season this past weekend, I told them I'm going to stay.. Coach - sorry I didn't reply earlier. From the time they offer the position until you accept it is the timeframe when you have the most leverage, so you should take advantage of that. I know you already told them you would stay, but it may not be too late to put some conditions on it. I'm not suggesting that you ask for anything outrageous, but I know you had some problems in the past with the board and/or coach's from other age groups interfering with your team. I would write up something simple that outlines how you expect to be treated - no pulling players off your team and moving them to another team without your approval; no forcing unwanted assistant coaches on you; etc. (I don't recall what all the exact issues you had were, but you get the idea) - and have them sign it. Then, if they start doing improper things again, you can pull out the letter agreement with their signatures on it to remind them that they agreed not to do those things. If the shenanigans continue at that point, then I think you'd have little choice but to move on to another organization. At that point they would have made it clear that they don't really value having you as a coach. However, I think it is much more likely that by having them sign a written document, they will take you seriously and abide by the agreement. JMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2008 20:35:49 GMT -6
They wanted the commitmanet for next season this past weekend, I told them I'm going to stay.. Coach - sorry I didn't reply earlier. From the time they offer the position until you accept it is the timeframe when you have the most leverage, so you should take advantage of that. I know you already told them you would stay, but it may not be too late to put some conditions on it. I'm not suggesting that you ask for anything outrageous, but I know you had some problems in the past with the board and/or coach's from other age groups interfering with your team. I would write up something simple that outlines how you expect to be treated - no pulling players off your team and moving them to another team without your approval; no forcing unwanted assistant coaches on you; etc. (I don't recall what all the exact issues you had were, but you get the idea) - and have them sign it. Then, if they start doing improper things again, you can pull out the letter agreement with their signatures on it to remind them that they agreed not to do those things. If the shenanigans continue at that point, then I think you'd have little choice but to move on to another organization. At that point they would have made it clear that they don't really value having you as a coach. However, I think it is much more likely that by having them sign a written document, they will take you seriously and abide by the agreement. JMHO. Doug, I don't think they would (put something in writing). They gave us these surveys, asking us how we can improve the program. I told them about the issues, primarily the issue of having enough players. I told them, if it occurrs again I'll quit
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