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Post by tothehouse on Nov 15, 2008 10:38:32 GMT -6
My friends......read this one and......I don't know......get disgusted. To follow this drama....come by my board @ reelsportreplay.proboards51.com/index.cgiRead this story and tell me what you think... Vaca/Wood JV game. Wood JV's are up 35-14 in second quarter. VHS storms back and takes a 38-35 lead late in the game. The Wood QB is ejected late in the fourth quarter. This next part comes from our chain gang guys. The Wood coaching staff and players surround the ejected quarterback and switch jerseys with a kid that doesn't play. The next offensive series the QB re-enters (under a new number) and completes a pass. Then it gets good. The ref's notice this and throw a flag. The ref's walk over and ask the head JV coach if he knew this was going on. The head JV coach...Carlos Meraz of Elk Grove fame...states "Yes, you refs have been cheating us all game we figured we'd cheat too." Here is what's even more crazy. The Wood varsity coach is probably going to call it quits this season. The heir apparent is Carlos Meraz. Many actually think he will be promoted as the next head coach. There are a lot of us on here that are head coach's and AD's and so forth. Have you ever heard of this happening and what should be the penalty. The head ref is going to write it up and send it to the section. Our principal has said she would have fired us on the spot. What would you head coaches and AD's have done? |
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Post by coachtut on Nov 15, 2008 12:40:58 GMT -6
What a sad situation. I work with incarcerated youth for a living. It seems every year the kids get a little worse, more daring, doing things I would have never thought of doing. This guy sounds like one of their parents. What a terrible message. He should do the kids a favor and not coach again.
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Nov 15, 2008 14:45:20 GMT -6
We had a game this year where 3 players were ejected. The one from our team was escorted back to the field house by an assistant. Off the field. The other teams kids stayed on their sideline. I didn't have a problem with this, as they had no where to put them. We were playing at out field. About 10 minutes later one of their players ejected is running the ball down their sideline. I call the ref over, tell him the situation. He gives an unsportsmanike on their coach. It just blew my mind that the coach would have the b*lls to put the kid back in.
In the same game they had a coach inside the 25 yard line, on their sideline, doing "stats". I point out to the ref that he's a coach. He insists he's doing stats. Coach talks to the kids after every series and confers with the HC. Ref sees this and warns them. Next series the joker is back inside the 25 coaching. I was pissed the ref didn't kick him out. Instead made the coach stay behind the linesman the whole game and couldn't talk to anyone but the ref.
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Post by rgrmaverick on Nov 15, 2008 16:31:40 GMT -6
Wow, and I feel quilty trying to draw the D offside on a hard long snap count.
Saw a similar situation last year when a head coach put his 16 year son in a Championship game of 14 year olds.
Do these idiots actually think they will not get found out?
I put these coaches in the same category as criminals.
If I had a say in the matter and the allegations were proven, I would have like to see their coaching certificates pulled for good.
Positive role models they are not.
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Post by waltflanagansdog on Nov 15, 2008 17:16:55 GMT -6
Our youth league in town pulled a couple 8th graders down to play in a 5th-6th grade game. I still don't get it.
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Post by ajreaper on Nov 15, 2008 18:14:56 GMT -6
Fire them all period. What message did they send to every kid on that sideline? How can any of them look any of those kids in the eye and talk to them about charactor or integrity issues?
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Post by coachdawhip on Nov 17, 2008 19:40:51 GMT -6
They need to go ASAP
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Post by bulldogoption on Nov 17, 2008 20:29:22 GMT -6
I don't know is a good way to put it............
How can adults solicit underage kids on the internet?
How can brokers/investors sell questionable investments?
How can con-artists rip off people using things like cancer and veterans to pull on heart strings.
The above coaching stories belong in the same category. Most of us can't even FATHOM doing that kind of thing for so many reasons. I don't get it either............
It almost makes me nauseous, but makes me want to break something at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 21:09:08 GMT -6
Coach that used to happen pretty often in our league (youth). i could give quite a few examples, however, I've never heard of that BS in high school. Though Once playing freshman ball our coach changed Marvin Harrisons jersey before the game, supposedly someone gave our playbook to the opposing coach.
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 17, 2008 21:16:59 GMT -6
Here is what I'm wondering...what will spineless Admin's do in this case? Putting the kid back in? That wouldn't cross my mind. What is his punishment for being selfish beyond getting kicked out??? Now that is what I'd be thinking about.
Quick story. A girls HS bball team's season was suspended last year and ultimately forfeited because almost the whole team was drinking at a party. The alcohol supplied by a players mom. There were actually arguements that the girls punishment was too harsh. "After all, it was an off campus incident" some argued.
I don't have any daughters, but here is the point. Having the bball season ended would be the last thing my kid would have to worry about if that happened. Wondering which doctor to call to have my foot surgically removed from his a$$ would be the first thing they'd have to worry about.
Coach Meraz - 2008 winner of the Lack of Character Coaches Award
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Post by phantom on Nov 17, 2008 21:40:04 GMT -6
My friends......read this one and......I don't know......get disgusted. To follow this drama....come by my board @ reelsportreplay.proboards51.com/index.cgiRead this story and tell me what you think... Vaca/Wood JV game. Wood JV's are up 35-14 in second quarter. VHS storms back and takes a 38-35 lead late in the game. The Wood QB is ejected late in the fourth quarter. This next part comes from our chain gang guys. The Wood coaching staff and players surround the ejected quarterback and switch jerseys with a kid that doesn't play. The next offensive series the QB re-enters (under a new number) and completes a pass. Then it gets good. The ref's notice this and throw a flag. The ref's walk over and ask the head JV coach if he knew this was going on. The head JV coach...Carlos Meraz of Elk Grove fame...states "Yes, you refs have been cheating us all game we figured we'd cheat too." Here is what's even more crazy. The Wood varsity coach is probably going to call it quits this season. The heir apparent is Carlos Meraz. Many actually think he will be promoted as the next head coach. There are a lot of us on here that are head coach's and AD's and so forth. Have you ever heard of this happening and what should be the penalty. The head ref is going to write it up and send it to the section. Our principal has said she would have fired us on the spot. What would you head coaches and AD's have done? Please excuse the French but that's the most {censored} up thing i've ever heard about. |
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Post by rgrmaverick on Nov 17, 2008 21:56:41 GMT -6
On weekends Carlos Meraz dresses like a girl and enters women's arm wrestling contests.
He came in 5th once.
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 17, 2008 23:59:04 GMT -6
The coaches around our parts are waiting for a verdict on this one. That is what I said about Admin. Is this a quiet, "won't let it happen again" or a loud.... GET THE {censored} OUT OF HERE!!! type thing?
I heard this story and smiled that wry, "what the {censored} is he doing" smile. Face it...some guys are slappies.
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Post by coachcoyote on Nov 18, 2008 2:35:50 GMT -6
What a Crock. This guy ought to be fired from coaching. What a poor example of teaching and guiding the kids. He should be reprimanded and have it put in his teacher's record. Then he should be stripped of all coaching duties he has at the school and a notification sent to each AD in the district, stating what he did, and that he was relieved of his coaching duties. What about the principles and ethics code we must sign before each season? Did he sign it or get away without it? If he signed it, he obviously didn't adhere to it. GET RID OF THE SOB. HE DOESN'T DESERVE TO HAVE THE TITLE OF COACH. CRIMINAL PERHAPS. CHEATER PERHAPS. POOR EXAMPLE, PERHAPS. COACH, NEVER.
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Post by coachcb on Nov 18, 2008 8:29:23 GMT -6
Our administration would have fired us, no questions about it. Our HC would have fired us for it; regardless of whether or not he was leaving in a year.
These kinds of coaches not only teach the wrong lessons to the kids; they give the profession a bad name.
Here's what I find ridiculous; parents and school board members will go after a coach because they don't like the offensive scheme their running. They'll try to get a coach fired because of who he does/doesn't play. BUT, this kind of a HORSE SH-T happens and mommy/daddy/Jackoffboardmember are no where to be found.
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 18, 2008 9:37:29 GMT -6
Supposedly some "movement" occurred yesterday regarding this issue. I'll give you the link or let you know what happened. It is pretty clear that this guy is an idiot and making all of us look bad.
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Post by tripleoption61 on Nov 18, 2008 9:53:59 GMT -6
I am stunned I know his guy from coaching in Illinois and he never been anything but a model coach for kids here in illinois
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Post by casec11 on Nov 18, 2008 10:05:55 GMT -6
he should be fired... and blackballed from coaching
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Post by Coach JR on Nov 18, 2008 10:14:22 GMT -6
Richard "Dick" Burleson, former head of the referees in the SEC is now on the speaking circuit. He relates a similar story about a University of TN player he ejected. Story goes the player, an offensive lineman, committed a flagrant personal foul. Burleson ejects "player number 76". Several plays later a D Lineman on the opposing team says the player has returned to the game, and he's sure of it because he'd been whipping him all game up til he got ejected, and was still whipping him. Burleson approaches the player and asks him if it was true, the player said yes, you ejected #76, I figured if I put on a different number I could come back in. Don't know if it's true or not...he tells a lot of anicdotal stories in speaking, and in his book. He tells them as if they're true.
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Post by Coach JR on Nov 18, 2008 10:25:10 GMT -6
I am stunned I know his guy from coaching in Illinois and he never been anything but a model coach for kids here in illinois Some of y'all are really hard on this guy. Seems like maybe this coach was very frustrated with the refs calls, and maybe rightfully so. Don't know. If this poster I quoted is telling the straight dope, then maybe this is a one time thing bourne of major frustration, and not worthy of firing. If this were a habitual type behavior, I'd absolutely agree he's setting a poor example for the kids and has no business coaching them. Anybody can make an error in judgment in the heat of the moment. Agree that some sanctions are in order, but if it's a one time/first time thing from a coach with a good reputation otherwise, I think firing and blackballing is a bit harsh...calling him a criminal is a bit out of whack, when you think about victims of real crime vs the fallout of this incident. JMHO, YMMV (Just my honest opinion, your milage may vary) |
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 18, 2008 10:38:39 GMT -6
Auburn - 2 wrongs don't make a right. "Yes, you refs have been cheating us all game we figured we'd cheat too."
To a man/coach, around here.....you get fired for that.
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Post by Coach JR on Nov 18, 2008 10:44:22 GMT -6
Auburn - 2 wrongs don't make a right. "Yes, you refs have been cheating us all game we figured we'd cheat too." To a man/coach, around here.....you get fired for that. Like I said, just my opinion that you should take the guys whole body of work in to account. If I conveyed that I thought it was right, or that he should be given a complete pass then that's not what I meant to convey. |
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Post by coachcb on Nov 18, 2008 10:57:44 GMT -6
I am stunned I know his guy from coaching in Illinois and he never been anything but a model coach for kids here in illinois Some of y'all are really hard on this guy. Seems like maybe this coach was very frustrated with the refs calls, and maybe rightfully so. Don't know. If this poster I quoted is telling the straight dope, then maybe this is a one time thing bourne of major frustration, and not worthy of firing. If this were a habitual type behavior, I'd absolutely agree he's setting a poor example for the kids and has no business coaching them. Anybody can make an error in judgment in the heat of the moment. Agree that some sanctions are in order, but if it's a one time/first time thing from a coach with a good reputation otherwise, I think firing and blackballing is a bit harsh...calling him a criminal is a bit out of whack, when you think about victims of real crime vs the fallout of this incident. JMHO, YMMV (Just my honest opinion, your milage may vary) That crap; when one of our kids gets ejected from a game, we don't look for ways to get them back into the game. We do the opposite, we sit his sorry butt for the next game, if we're traveling, he stays home. The fact that this kind of deception even crossed the mind of this coach is a sign of his utter lack of professionalism. |
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Post by Coach JR on Nov 18, 2008 11:53:15 GMT -6
Some of y'all are really hard on this guy. Seems like maybe this coach was very frustrated with the refs calls, and maybe rightfully so. Don't know. If this poster I quoted is telling the straight dope, then maybe this is a one time thing bourne of major frustration, and not worthy of firing. If this were a habitual type behavior, I'd absolutely agree he's setting a poor example for the kids and has no business coaching them. Anybody can make an error in judgment in the heat of the moment. Agree that some sanctions are in order, but if it's a one time/first time thing from a coach with a good reputation otherwise, I think firing and blackballing is a bit harsh...calling him a criminal is a bit out of whack, when you think about victims of real crime vs the fallout of this incident. JMHO, YMMV (Just my honest opinion, your milage may vary) That crap; when one of our kids gets ejected from a game, we don't look for ways to get them back into the game. We do the opposite, we sit his sorry butt for the next game, if we're traveling, he stays home. The fact that this kind of deception even crossed the mind of this coach is a sign of his utter lack of professionalism. Again, please undertand, I'm not trying to argue it wasn't poor judgement, an unprofessional act, a penalty, against the rules, any of that. All I'm saying is, that like in most areas of society, the coach's entire professional history should factor in to the punishment he gets or doesn't get. |
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Post by tothehouse on Nov 18, 2008 12:06:01 GMT -6
I'm with you auburn, but it's like the kid who gets in big time trouble that is a football player. People think the whole program is built with kids "like that". People assume that is how everyone is.
If you don't know the guy people might think that he does this all the time. That being said, this one incident is a career killer. Imagine trying to get a job at the next school. "Oh, you're the guy who cheated. Thanks. NEXT!!!"
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Post by Coach JR on Nov 18, 2008 12:46:25 GMT -6
I'm with you auburn, but it's like the kid who gets in big time trouble that is a football player. People think the whole program is built with kids "like that". People assume that is how everyone is. If you don't know the guy people might think that he does this all the time. That being said, this one incident is a career killer. Imagine trying to get a job at the next school. "Oh, you're the guy who cheated. Thanks. NEXT!!!" And you kind of bring up another consideration as well, and that's how bad a black eye it gives the school. Could be that the others here are right in saying "fire him" at least from the perspective of public relations and how it affects the school. I've seen coaches with more baggage than this get jobs. Of course they rarely get back to the level they were at or aspired to be. Larry Blakeney at Troy is a shining example of a very good football coach with lots of baggage. He could have been big time without the baggage. |
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Post by midlineqb on Nov 18, 2008 13:51:46 GMT -6
I've never heard of a coach EVER doing that kind of stunt. What kind of example does that set for his players? An attitude of cheating is OK when you're trying to win. I'm not sure what the punishment be, but there should be some type of punishment. The administration is going to have to live with how they discipline this coach.
I always thought that JV games were to develop players for the varsity and win if they can. Not to win at all costs.
If you're frustrated witht he officials threaten to take your team off the field if the calling doesn't get better. I did this once and it got much better.
JMHO
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Post by mariner42 on Nov 18, 2008 15:00:37 GMT -6
Coaching Oline, I would jokingly say "Cheat to compete" but that was in reference to FBZ and how to use your hands on your man without holding.
That said, this is blatant cheating and a terrible example of sportsmanship. If he wanted to be snarky with the refs, the coach could have easily found some other 'clever' way to protest the penalties that didn't compromise himself or his players. It's too bad, because there's no coming back from incidents like that. Coaching and teaching very rarely give chances for "Do-overs".
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Post by mrigg on Nov 18, 2008 15:13:28 GMT -6
A few years back we played against a first year coach that taught his linemen to execute posted chops on our d-tackles. We caught it immediately and the referees spotted it a few plays later. We lost an all conference DT for the a week after that due to the posted chops and a DB when a WR grabbed his face mask and started twisting his neck after the tackle. After the game our head coach confronted him and he swore he didn’t know that a posted chop was illegal. This is a man who played college football mind you. Some point after the game he told one of his old high school buddies now on our coaching staff, he new it was illegal he just wanted to get our head coach fired up. After the game an assistant coach was over heard yelling at some of our fans “We may not beat you but we will hurt you for the playoffs” The coach in question has won 3 games in 3 years since that incident.
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Post by Coach JR on Nov 18, 2008 15:18:28 GMT -6
A few years back we played against a first year coach that taught his linemen to execute posted chops on our d-tackles. We caught it immediately and the referees spotted it a few plays later. We lost an all conference DT for the a week after that due to the posted chops and a DB when a WR grabbed his face mask and started twisting his neck after the tackle. After the game our head coach confronted him and he swore he didn’t know that a posted chop was illegal. This is a man who played college football mind you. Some point after the game he told one of his old high school buddies now on our coaching staff, he new it was illegal he just wanted to get our head coach fired up. After the game an assistant coach was over heard yelling at some of our fans “We may not beat you but we will hurt you for the playoffs” The coach in question has won 3 games in 3 years since that incident. Intentionally using illegal techniques with intent to hurt opposing players is the type thing I think deserves a no questions asked firing regardless of prior history. |
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