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Post by dacoachmo on Nov 15, 2008 10:24:54 GMT -6
What offense will ease the blocking assignments for Linemen...
1) Double Tight Power I (power,iso,lead,toss)
2) Spread (Veer,Midline,Fly Sweep)
plus Pass game of play action and drop back
Thanks!!
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Post by coachcb on Nov 15, 2008 10:59:06 GMT -6
IMO, Iso/Lead can be one of the toughest offensive schemes to teach the offensive line. It's tough because you really don't get hard and fast rules; the open gaps in the front determine how you block it. That, coupled with different fronts from week to week can end up doubling or tripling the rules that you get for one play. To boot, you have to coordinate between the QB, FB and the TB so that they know where that hole is going to be.
For example, if you call Iso to the the B-gap, but get a 3 tech DT, you have to change what you are doing, pre snap. In the schemes that we have taught, the OL, FB, TB, and QB all need to know that the play is now going to the A-gap or you have to flip it to the other side (assuming you you are getting an open A gap backside).Both can be tough adjustments for the offense; couple that with a team that stems, stunt, twists, and blitzes and life gets tough. Basically, if you want to keep the rule as simple as possible you call Iso without a gap designation and the kids know that they are either running it to the A gap or B gap, depending on the front.
The rest of the schemes you described (in both categories) have easy rules that you can apply to every front with very few adjustments. I'm a big veer and jet guy; so your second choice is more appealing to me. Also, if you install veer, you can run power off of the look from certain formations. Midline can be a pain in the neck because you are always relying on a 3 tech, but it's still easier than Iso (IMO).
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Post by touchdowng on Nov 15, 2008 23:01:08 GMT -6
I'd agree 100% with your #2 choice being easier to pick up for OLINE.
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Post by coachjaz on Nov 15, 2008 23:06:10 GMT -6
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Post by tog on Nov 16, 2008 0:18:49 GMT -6
anthing zone vs area matchups
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Post by tog on Nov 16, 2008 0:19:54 GMT -6
plus
anything with only a 5 man surface makes it easier as well---only so many looks you can get vs that
throw a te or a te and a wing in there and you have multiplied the gozintas a ton
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Post by coachbdud on Nov 16, 2008 2:07:42 GMT -6
we are an under center fly team, use the gun mostly to pass but sweep out of it a little.
This year i changed up our blocking schemes so pretty much everything was zone. Either typical zone reach blocking, or down block on playside with either a FB or pulling Guard to kick out. This way there is no changing week to week. They just know which plays are down blocks and which are reaches. that makes up about 90% of our blocking assignments
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Post by rideanddecide on Nov 16, 2008 6:32:44 GMT -6
We ran #1, then changed to #2.
#2 was a ton easier for our kids
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Post by coachjd on Nov 16, 2008 6:35:29 GMT -6
We went from IZ/OZ to veer and midline and OL had success on day 1.
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Post by phantom on Nov 16, 2008 7:10:34 GMT -6
Iso/Power may be harder to teach but I believe that its more fun for the OL. We've done well with it.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 16, 2008 7:24:45 GMT -6
Midline/Veer stuff.
Once the kids pick up who they are NOT supposed to block the X and O aspect is "easy".
But......I've done the Iso/Power just simple base blocking stuff too and if you have the kids to move people then that's easy too.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2008 9:55:44 GMT -6
IMO, neither are extremely difficult mentally for the olineman. If you base out of the I, you can run midline, OV, IV and have a nice power game to complement it.
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Post by ayziggyzoomba on Nov 16, 2008 19:30:58 GMT -6
with adaptable on the fly rules, iso and power works fine. "gap out/gap in" vs a downlineman in the hole... etc... however, we are switching to zone and down scheme due to smaller/quicker linemen coming up.
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Post by htownoc on Nov 17, 2008 10:01:54 GMT -6
We ran both, with very simple blocking rules that we had on their wristbands if they got confused.
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Post by midlineqb on Nov 17, 2008 14:59:27 GMT -6
#2 the IV/Midline, etc. The ISO and Lead of the I are difficult for OL because they have to hold their blocks longer. Not so in the Option stuff. JMO
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Post by dacoachmo on Nov 18, 2008 21:28:23 GMT -6
Thanks for the input!!
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Post by coachcb on Nov 18, 2008 22:08:41 GMT -6
I really think that zone blocking is the easiest thing for the offensive line to pick up.
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Post by tim914790 on Nov 19, 2008 10:28:03 GMT -6
I agree zone is the easiest to pick up but I think the hardest to perfect. We have been spread gun for 3 years and zone blocking sometimes the O-line think too much.
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Post by gunrun on Nov 19, 2008 11:10:29 GMT -6
dacoachmo,
Good question. I never thought about it, but group 2 is definitely easier. I have been in an I offense the past three years, and running Iso has been difficult. Our OL are thinking too much instead of firing out. Also, when we moved up to 2A from 1A, all of the teams changed up their fronts and slanted them constantly. Before, everyone stayed in one front and it was easy.
When teams slant their front, we have had a problem with our FB running into a DL that slants into the bubble. It's hard for the FB to see it quick enough with him being close to the line of scrimmage. I do think you can run power and zone more easily, but Iso has not been consistent at all.
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 19, 2008 14:36:34 GMT -6
Isn't power basically veer on the frontside??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2008 14:38:04 GMT -6
Should be.
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Post by raiderpirates on Nov 19, 2008 23:17:49 GMT -6
Deuce it, like someone shared here, from the Cal clinic.
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Post by ccscoach on Nov 20, 2008 15:34:13 GMT -6
We try and break everything down to covered and uncovered. We do use the count system to give us a base man in zone but then after that we use covered and uncovered rules to determine who zones with who, the Iso for us is simply zone but with a true double team on the first down line past the center. Counter/Power are covered and uncovered all the way.
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Post by tog on Nov 20, 2008 15:37:21 GMT -6
Isn't power basically veer on the frontside?? another reason we use veer with the combo concepts taught from our zone--it gives us power as well |
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Post by coachorr on Nov 25, 2008 1:43:03 GMT -6
Tog, I have seen your veer, which looks like inside veer. In some of your play slides it looks as if you double team at the POA. Is this the case and if so, when do you double team. thanks.
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