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Post by 19delta on Nov 8, 2008 14:59:59 GMT -6
File this under "coach your team, not the other team"...
Earlier this year, we were getting hammered 35-6 late in the fourth quarter. Other team pulled their starters and put backups in. Because we were so overmatched, we left our starters in and they competed fairly well against the other team's backups. We ended up scoring a TD against their reserves and lost 35-15.
Anyway, after we scored that last TD against their reserves, the coaches on the other team started bitching and moaning about us not pulling our starters because they had pulled those and that we were padding the score and the stats. After the game, a bunch of their coaches wouldn't shake our head coach's hand.
Well, what goes around comes around. That team is playing in the playoff today and went into halftime down 43-0. Other team pulls their starters at the start of the second half (running clock is in effect at this point) but the coach who had made a big deal about us leaving our starters in when they were beating us earlier this year leaves his starters in against the team that is kicking the crap out of them today. They ended up scoring 2 throwaway TDs against the other team's reserves.
I love the irony... ;D
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 8, 2008 17:51:32 GMT -6
I would send him a very well written email asking why he did exactly what he criticized you for doing.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2008 17:55:36 GMT -6
I honestly would ask him about it if you see him and get a chance to talk to him on the clinic circuit.
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Post by groundchuck on Nov 9, 2008 7:57:37 GMT -6
My second year as a HC we were getting blasted by a ver good football team and they pulled thier starters at the start of the 4th quarter. I was at a very small school and really my only option as far as reserves would have been to put in the freshmen. So I kept in a mix of varsity starters and some reserves. We wound up scoring a few TDs but we still lost big.
After the game thier coach comes to me and yells "You son of a ______! If one of my kids would have gotten hurt against one of your starters I would be kicking your _____ right now!" This is in front of his kids and my kids.
I just looked at him and said "You do what you think you gotta do, but there is no way you'd kick my ass." He walked away. He was also fired at the end of the season for other reasons not pertaining to the incident after the game.
I have been there as a coach where you have no depth or you just want to make the game seem closer in the paper. Either way its not the other guy's problem. Instead coaching the other guy's team just coach your own and be happy you are winning big enough to play everyone.
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 9, 2008 9:56:46 GMT -6
dc...it would be MUCH more fun to send him a very official email..cc'd to his AD and his principal.
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Post by coachorr on Nov 9, 2008 10:26:29 GMT -6
5085, in this day and age of spineless "Marzano is god" administrators, I would not send anything in writing. I would just make sure to have a bell ringer activity and my learning objectives on the board. It shows that you are doing your job. (oh brother)  |
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Post by 19delta on Nov 9, 2008 10:48:10 GMT -6
5085, in this day and age of spineless "Marzano is god" administrators, I would not send anything in writing. I would just make sure to have a bell ringer activity and my learning objectives on the board. It shows that you are doing your job. (oh brother) Also, make sure that you are comparing and contrasting both games, taking notes using the Cornell format on proper procedures during a blowout, and assigning homework to reinforce the learning objectives...  |
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Post by coachorr on Nov 9, 2008 13:50:17 GMT -6
Then when you have graded the assignment, check for understanding and reinforce the concepts, which were not clearly understood. For example, if the coach was a jerk and he did not get that in the activity of reading a letter addressed to him, follow up with a simple check for understanding to revisit your learning objectives.
One way to do this is to look for an alternative way of teaching the objective. Instead of teaching "you are a jerk" in a written format, look for other language vocabulary like ahole, obtuse, jackace and pinhead. Clarifying the input, however, may not be enough, you may need to do more. Perhaps it is not the fact that the student didn't understand, perhaps he did not pay enough attention the first time. As you can see different learners have different methods for learning concepts, to ensure that a learner is engaged so that we can help them to meet objective we need to create different kinds of strategies to reinforce concepts and engage the student.
If the simple explanation and teaching is not working look to include some hands on activities like: going to the other school and kicking his ace and telling him he is one of the above mentioned personas or putting a bag of poo on his front door, lighting it, ringing the doorbell running around to the other side of the house (carrying out the same steps at the back door as the front to reinforce the message) and knocking on the back door only to leave a note with the above mentioned names on it. As you can see, by differentiating instruction you can reach even the most challenging of students.
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Post by 19delta on Nov 9, 2008 15:56:28 GMT -6
Then when you have graded the assignment, check for understanding and reinforce the concepts, which were not clearly understood. For example, if the coach was a jerk and he did not get that in the activity of reading a letter addressed to him, follow up with a simple check for understanding to revisit your learning objectives. One way to do this is to look for an alternative way of teaching the objective. Instead of teaching "you are a jerk" in a written format, look for other language vocabulary like ahole, obtuse, jackace and pinhead. Clarifying the input, however, may not be enough, you may need to do more. Perhaps it is not the fact that the student didn't understand, perhaps he did not pay enough attention the first time. As you can see different learners have different methods for learning concepts, to ensure that a learner is engaged so that we can help them to meet objective we need to create different kinds of strategies to reinforce concepts and engage the student. If the simple explanation and teaching is not working look to include some hands on activities like: going to the other school and kicking his ace and telling him he is one of the above mentioned personas or putting a bag of poo on his front door, lighting it, ringing the doorbell running around to the other side of the house (carrying out the same steps at the back door as the front to reinforce the message) and knocking on the back door only to leave a note with the above mentioned names on it. As you can see, by differentiating instruction you can reach even the most challenging of students. Best practices, indeed! ;D |
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Post by mrsixx6 on Nov 10, 2008 8:50:29 GMT -6
That is too funny! I barely have time to teach as I am constantly updating my word wall, making sure my lesson plans are matching my unit objectives, and ensuring that all my autistic kids don't blow a gasket and catch some girl's hair on fire (again)....Marzano H. Christ, what's the world coming to?
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Post by jgordon1 on Nov 10, 2008 9:24:45 GMT -6
Don't forget your "Word Wall" and to hang student work around the room. Happy to see our district is not the only dumb@$$ place in the world sucking off Marzano. as per dealing with that coach, the reason I wouldn't send him something in writing has nothing to do with repercussions or anything like that, I would simply want to see his face when the "this MFer is an @$$hole" look comes over it. I actually had to pay money to learn that bs and I am STILL not fully certified in my district |
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Post by coachorr on Nov 10, 2008 22:27:58 GMT -6
Should we "SIOP" the lesson?
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Post by midlineqb on Nov 10, 2008 23:50:13 GMT -6
I would send him a very well written email asking why he did exactly what he criticized you for doing. I wouldn't say anything to him. I'd just let bygones be bygones and go on with life. It is not worth getting upset and causing more problems for yourself. I guess after 38 years of coaching I've seen nearly everything and done some of the things you guys are talking about and it didn't make a bit of difference to mountain out of a mole hill. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Nov 11, 2008 6:36:59 GMT -6
I would send him a very well written email asking why he did exactly what he criticized you for doing. I wouldn't say anything to him. I'd just let bygones be bygones and go on with life. It is not worth getting upset and causing more problems for yourself. I guess after 38 years of coaching I've seen nearly everything and done some of the things you guys are talking about and it didn't make a bit of difference to mountain out of a mole hill. True-- I just think it would be "fun" to write a "sincere" letter to him (which of course is CC'd to his principal and his AD) seeking "advice" from him. Tell him you would like to be educated on when keeping the starters in is acceptable, and when it isn't, since he chastised you for doing the very thing he did. (Now, 20 bucks says his excuse is that it was a playoff game..and the last game his seniors would play.....) |
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Post by rideanddecide on Nov 11, 2008 7:44:18 GMT -6
I can see what's happening here, but hold on a second....
Have you never been disappointed that your 2nd string is in the game, but the other team has kept their starters in? I've never said anything to the opposing coach, but I have been disappointed when my 15 year old kids who can barely run without tripping over their own feet are competing against the opponents star 18 year old.
"It makes them better." Yeah, a little bit. But I'd like to see those kids have a chance for success too.
Then the coach keeps his starters in when he was down 43 points. I see the hypocrisy there, but let me tell you that when we are in the playoffs my seniors are NOT coming off the field if we are losing. Those kids will never have another chance to play the game and I would never take away the last minutes of their career.
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Post by phantom on Nov 11, 2008 12:57:57 GMT -6
I can see what's happening here, but hold on a second.... Have you never been disappointed that your 2nd string is in the game, but the other team has kept their starters in? I've never said anything to the opposing coach, but I have been disappointed when my 15 year old kids who can barely run without tripping over their own feet are competing against the opponents star 18 year old. "It makes them better." Yeah, a little bit. But I'd like to see those kids have a chance for success too. Then the coach keeps his starters in when he was down 43 points. I see the hypocrisy there, but let me tell you that when we are in the playoffs my seniors are NOT coming off the field if we are losing. Those kids will never have another chance to play the game and I would never take away the last minutes of their career. I'm glad you mentioned that because that's something that annoys me. We gave up a TD the other night when the other guys were throwing against our 3rds and that's irritating. |
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