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Post by airraider on Oct 23, 2008 12:05:52 GMT -6
Was playing QB on the scout team yesterday.. and caught the defense in a Wide Tackle 6 look.. So I wanted to make sure the LB's were reactive.. So I run QB sneak.. Now.. run is a relative term here.. I step across the line while pushing the center.. One of the LB's is blocked into.. or thrown into.. something into me.. His helmet crashes into the side of my head.. I play if off.. do not even make a sound.. 30 minutes later.. my head is KILLING me.. I feel a bit shakey.. and unbalanced.. End up having to go to the doctor today.. have a bruise on my temporal muscles and a grade 2 concussion.. I just thought you all would get a kick out of that one..
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Post by jgordon1 on Oct 23, 2008 12:06:46 GMT -6
are you out for the game?
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Post by airraider on Oct 23, 2008 12:07:18 GMT -6
are you out for the game? I cant practice today.. but will be good come game time.. lol
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Post by coachdubyah on Oct 23, 2008 12:18:53 GMT -6
I am going to ONE up all of you. A local high school assistant tore his ACL just last week while playing a scout team option QB. Made a cut, knee popped, on crutches for the next 8 to 10 weeks. Word to live by as a coach...YOUR DAYS ARE OVER, YOU ARE NO LONGER AN ATHLETE, JUST CUT YOUR LOSSES AND BE A COACH!!!!!
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Post by airraider on Oct 23, 2008 12:21:28 GMT -6
are you out for the game? Now that's funny Gordon Hey Airraider - you're old...you're going to get hurt if you keep that up. One of WR coaches tried something similar a few weeks ago because his WR wasn't getting a good stalk block on bubble, he goes out, runs a play (to show the WR how it's done.) Almost a great plan...what he didn't account for was #1 the strength of the CB, #2 the CB's ability to work to outside leverage and #3 the pursuit by everyone else as the receiver got tackled and everyone rolled him up. He got up, he is awfully proud, didn't say a word on the field but has been pussin about it in the coach's office ever since. Hey now.. I wont be old until Feb rolls around and I hit 30.. ;D I have done some stupid things in coaching.. NEVER try showing your triple jumpers how to hop on wet grass.. especially when you are a fat guy.. BIG GUY FALLS HARD.. If you are playing QB in an inside drill.. make sure you tell the JV guard that he pulls into the line on trap.. and not into your side.. and then ROLLS you..
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Post by airraider on Oct 23, 2008 12:23:22 GMT -6
I am going to ONE up all of you. A local high school assistant tore his ACL just last week while playing a scout team option QB. Made a cut, knee popped, on crutches for the next 8 to 10 weeks. Word to live by as a coach...YOUR DAYS ARE OVER, YOU ARE NO LONGER AN ATHLETE, JUST CUT YOUR LOSSES AND BE A COACH!!!!! I coached with a guy who fancies himself as a kicker.. for some reason.. he tried to kick barefoot one day.. and broke his toe..
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Post by threeback on Oct 23, 2008 12:24:57 GMT -6
Know the feeling. Demonstrating the proper angle tackling form during tackling drills a couple of years ago against a kid in full gear. Tell him go half speed. Giving the head across, wrap up speech- then go to demonstrate. Tell the kid go, he goes, and proceeds to lower his #*$(% head on me- and catches me right on the corner of my left eye. Within a minute, my left eye is swollen shut and it feels like somebody is digging my brains out of my left ear with an ice pick. Tried to shake it off like I'm a bad a$$. Try coaching or teaching looking like you just got into a bar fight- makes for an interesting conversation piece. I feel your pain airraider, I feel your pain.
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Post by coachcastleman on Oct 23, 2008 12:27:39 GMT -6
It seems like we all get reminded that we are not as young as we use to be. I try to let me DC take full control of defensive time during practice so I run the scout team. Our quarterback plays defense as does his back up, so unless I want a 110 pound freshman running the scout team, I play QB. There has been many times I have head-butted kids and come up with a bloody nose or lip. Earlier this year I am running option and I try to outrun the scraping linebacker to the edge. I "put it in another gear" and something in my quad snaps. I almost go down and I am in the most pain I have every experienced. I acted like it is nothing and try to " walk it off" Well a day or two later I am still having trouble walking and my entire thigh is purple, black and blue. Now I have a "hole" in my quad and you can tell the muscle is balled up a the top of my leg. I probably should have went to the doctor, but there just isn't time to be hurt.
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Post by rideanddecide on Oct 23, 2008 12:31:38 GMT -6
Was playing QB on the scout team yesterday.. and caught the defense in a Wide Tackle 6 look.. So I wanted to make sure the LB's were reactive.. So I run QB sneak.. Now.. run is a relative term here.. I step across the line while pushing the center.. One of the LB's is blocked into.. or thrown into.. something into me.. His helmet crashes into the side of my head.. I play if off.. do not even make a sound.. 30 minutes later.. my head is KILLING me.. I feel a bit shakey.. and unbalanced.. End up having to go to the doctor today.. have a bruise on my temporal muscles and a grade 2 concussion.. I just thought you all would get a kick out of that one.. Great Story! At least you got hurt though...for crying out loud I scored a rushing TD from 10 yards out on our #1 defense when I played scout QB. Wait....maybe that's why we can't defend anyone this year.
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Post by jpdaley25 on Oct 23, 2008 16:25:16 GMT -6
My advice to young or old: If you're going to demonstrate on the field, make sure you are wearing cleets. I learned that one the hard (and embarassing) way.
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Post by airman on Oct 23, 2008 18:44:54 GMT -6
I am in good shape but I know better then to do too much. I still throw a really good deep ball so I do alot of throwing to help out are dbs vs deep balls and throw to our wr's.
I do have to really keep my throwing muscles liber. I use the shoulder horn to strengthen my rotator cuffs. still i get a little sore.
when I was first out of college and I got drilling trying to be the scout team qb. This sort of ended my time as a scout qb.
I still run routes to show the kids and I wear cleets so I do not fall down. I still only go about 75%.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 23, 2008 19:11:20 GMT -6
A couple of thoughts on this thread
1) I know it is very common for coaches to simulate situations, especially scout qb, but I was wondering if anyone here has known of a situation where a PLAYER was hurt by a coach participating.
2) As I mentioned in another thread, be aware of demonstrating sometimes...it doesn't always look as good as you THINK it does.
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Post by goldenbear76 on Oct 23, 2008 19:53:11 GMT -6
Lol I remember a few years ago I had a lineman on my team 6-2 275 ..(Line of the Year in our division). ..anyway, I was trying to demonstrate drive blocking technique and used him as my defensive lineman. (Note i've had back surgeries). Anyway, I step to him..(good form if I do say so myself)..and felt the back twitch..I stopped right there..told him give me a minute and walked it off lol. ..that was the last time I ever demonstrated physical simulation. Everything now is stepping and walk thru simulation lol.
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Post by ramsoc on Oct 23, 2008 20:25:44 GMT -6
Was playing QB on the scout team yesterday.. and caught the defense in a Wide Tackle 6 look.. So I wanted to make sure the LB's were reactive.. So I run QB sneak.. Now.. run is a relative term here.. I step across the line while pushing the center.. One of the LB's is blocked into.. or thrown into.. something into me.. His helmet crashes into the side of my head.. I play if off.. do not even make a sound.. 30 minutes later.. my head is KILLING me.. I feel a bit shakey.. and unbalanced.. End up having to go to the doctor today.. have a bruise on my temporal muscles and a grade 2 concussion.. I just thought you all would get a kick out of that one.. Know of a guy who was fired 3 games into the season for playing scout QB cause a parent got bent about it and went to the principal.
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Post by k on Oct 23, 2008 20:37:39 GMT -6
I demonstrate all the time. Hell last year I put on a helmet & shoulder pads of a lineman who quit and messed up our linemen all the time. I ran scout team QB & DB all the time. I got popped once w/o the helmet so I went and got the helmet. Then I got popped in the shoulder and thought I broke my collar bone for a second so out came the shoulder pads.
This year I don't have pads (no linemen quit or anyone with an XL helmet) so I've been a little more restrictive in my actions but I played FS today.... It is part of the fun. I'll miss it when I'm old and can't do it anymore!
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Post by jgordon1 on Oct 23, 2008 22:12:25 GMT -6
A couple of thoughts on this thread 1) I know it is very common for coaches to simulate situations, especially scout qb, but I was wondering if anyone here has known of a situation where a PLAYER was hurt by a coach participating. 2) As I mentioned in another thread, be aware of demonstrating sometimes...it doesn't always look as good as you THINK it does. Well...I had a teacher tell me I was hurting the feelings of one of my players...does that count
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Post by cmow5 on Oct 23, 2008 22:51:53 GMT -6
Only thing I do is race the kids from drill to drill or water breaks, but last year our DC filled in for the o-line. Last year we only had 18 kids so the DC filled in just to have a body there. First play, botched snap. big pile, DC lost in the pile. He comes up with a HUGE gash above his left eye. There was a trial of blood from the field to the locker room about 100 yards away. I believe 26 stitches or in the 20's.
best part 2 weeks after that he was at home in his low ceiling basement not finished and turned right into a pipe. 12 more stitches above the left eye. Well maybe not the best part for him, but I thought it was damn funny.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 24, 2008 5:36:05 GMT -6
A couple of thoughts on this thread 1) I know it is very common for coaches to simulate situations, especially scout qb, but I was wondering if anyone here has known of a situation where a PLAYER was hurt by a coach participating. 2) As I mentioned in another thread, be aware of demonstrating sometimes...it doesn't always look as good as you THINK it does. Well...I had a teacher tell me I was hurting the feelings of one of my players...does that count Only counts in the great story of the year contest. Obviously working with the kids, modeling with the kids is a common thing in coaching. I was just curious if anyone knew of a situation where a kid got hurt and a coach was involved. I know one time while volunteering at the Jr. High level to help a friend out...two ..umm..less professional coaches used to love to DOMINATE the jr high kids during practice. I got so fed up with them, I told the kids to cut them. The header kept trying to hint to them to stop, but they never seemed to get it. I would not have been as subtle or discreet, but it wasn't my place.
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Post by phantom on Oct 24, 2008 8:43:02 GMT -6
Well...I had a teacher tell me I was hurting the feelings of one of my players...does that count Only counts in the great story of the year contest. Obviously working with the kids, modeling with the kids is a common thing in coaching. I was just curious if anyone knew of a situation where a kid got hurt and a coach was involved. I know one time while volunteering at the Jr. High level to help a friend out...two ..umm..less professional coaches used to love to DOMINATE the jr high kids during practice. I got so fed up with them, I told the kids to cut them. The header kept trying to hint to them to stop, but they never seemed to get it. I would not have been as subtle or discreet, but it wasn't my place. I agree with D. The stories about coaches getting dinged at practice are funny (and only football people would find stories about stitches and ACLs funny. That's not a put-down. I find some of them funny too. Football is a different culture). BUT, what happens if a kid gets hurt?
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Post by tiger46 on Oct 24, 2008 9:17:07 GMT -6
If you guys don't mind a youth coach stepping in here... I coach 9>10yr olds. We didn't have a lot of players on the team. So, sometimes coaches had to step in to 'give 'em a look'. We were running sweeps to keep the LB's sharp on attack angles. 1st AC played QB. 2nd AC played TE to make sure we got a hook on the DE. I'm not the biggest guy. I'm only 5'7", chubby and out of shape. But, these were just 9>10yr olds, right?! I played RB. I took the pitch from the other coach and shot outside. As I ran sweep right, I checked my LB's saw that their pursuit was excellent. I put on the brakes and was going to compliment them. Those four little demons never slowed down and just plowed me! They were jumping up and down and slapping each others' shoulderpads, high-fiving and screaming, 'YEAH! WHOO!', etc... I had no choice but to get up, dust myself off, pretend it didn't hurt( my wife was watching) and still compliment them. I ended up with sore ribs, shoulder, a bruised elbow. During water break, I got another lecture from my wife about my age and general lack of physical conditioning. We call big hits 'lollipops' because I hand out lollipops to anybody with a big hit or pancake block. The icing on the cake is one of the excited little #@$! asked me, "Hey, coach! Do we get a lollipop?!" And, the cherry on top of the icing was that one of the little #!$@&! who did me in is my son! Coaches, you haven't climbed to the mountain top of humiliation until you have to stand around sore and hand out lollipops to four 9>10 yr olds- one of which is your own son- because they kicked your a$$. One of the skills that I perfected last season was running scout offense with a damned whistle locked damned firmly between my damned teeth. And, I was damned quick with it, too.
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 24, 2008 14:45:35 GMT -6
short and sweet
First O against Scout D
I was "playing" middle linebacker
QB begins his cadence.
I move up close to the LOS like I am going to blitz.
QB barks out first signal, and I step HARD forward to try and get the offense to false start.
The cramp in my calf muscle, or the pull, has been sore for three weeks now. One morning I woke up and couldn't even step on my right leg.
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Post by coachd5085 on Oct 24, 2008 16:12:25 GMT -6
Moral of story to you young coaches...chances are you aren't nearly as good as you THINK you are...
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Post by theprez98 on Oct 25, 2008 9:53:15 GMT -6
Joe Paterno's current hip and leg problems are due to demonstrating an onside kick a few weeks back, so obviously coaches still want to be playing...at 82...
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Post by wingt74 on Oct 25, 2008 20:42:46 GMT -6
Joe Paterno's current hip and leg problems are due to demonstrating an onside kick a few weeks back, so obviously coaches still want to be playing...at 82... you serious?
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Post by theprez98 on Oct 26, 2008 16:46:34 GMT -6
Joe Paterno's current hip and leg problems are due to demonstrating an onside kick a few weeks back, so obviously coaches still want to be playing...at 82... you serious? Absolutely serious. He has been demonstrating onside kicks in practice for many years. This year, well, he hurt himself!
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Post by jlt on Oct 27, 2008 4:03:19 GMT -6
At least it isn't that bad for me. The oldest coach we have is 35 so we all get involved. Our Linebacker coach yesterday showed the players how to get correct technique in an angle tackle. He went in without any kit on against our RB who was fully kitted. I nearly stopped him to say it was a bad idea but was too late.
Made a fantastic tackle slid through the mud, got up and said "Thats how you do it". Then looke down at how his shorts and tshrit were ruined and kinda shrugged.
Gave the players a real boost to see their coach do it right with no kit. Took the apprehensiveness out of alot of them.
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Post by gdoggwr on Mar 25, 2009 13:55:10 GMT -6
If you guys don't mind a youth coach stepping in here... I coach 9>10yr olds. We didn't have a lot of players on the team. So, sometimes coaches had to step in to 'give 'em a look'. We were running sweeps to keep the LB's sharp on attack angles. 1st AC played QB. 2nd AC played TE to make sure we got a hook on the DE. I'm not the biggest guy. I'm only 5'7", chubby and out of shape. But, these were just 9>10yr olds, right?! I played RB. I took the pitch from the other coach and shot outside. As I ran sweep right, I checked my LB's saw that their pursuit was excellent. I put on the brakes and was going to compliment them. Those four little demons never slowed down and just plowed me! They were jumping up and down and slapping each others' shoulderpads, high-fiving and screaming, 'YEAH! WHOO!', etc... I had no choice but to get up, dust myself off, pretend it didn't hurt( my wife was watching) and still compliment them. I ended up with sore ribs, shoulder, a bruised elbow. During water break, I got another lecture from my wife about my age and general lack of physical conditioning. We call big hits 'lollipops' because I hand out lollipops to anybody with a big hit or pancake block. The icing on the cake is one of the excited little #@$! asked me, "Hey, coach! Do we get a lollipop?!" And, the cherry on top of the icing was that one of the little #!$@&! who did me in is my son! Coaches, you haven't climbed to the mountain top of humiliation until you have to stand around sore and hand out lollipops to four 9>10 yr olds- one of which is your own son- because they kicked your a$$. One of the skills that I perfected last season was running scout offense with a damned whistle locked damned firmly between my damned teeth. And, I was damned quick with it, too. THAT was funny... then the part about one of them being your son. I freaking lost it!!! ;D ;D ;D I need to catch my breath.
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Post by max51 on Mar 25, 2009 14:16:42 GMT -6
Men- I'm in tears... others coaches in the office are now reading and they're in tears!!! Thanks for the laughs... if you've coached long enough we've ALL done it to some degree!!
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Post by td4tc on Mar 25, 2009 14:49:04 GMT -6
doing speed drills over the mini hurdles with my HS team last summer.trying to show them to "finish the drill" . You know, explode through the last hurdle. instead i exploded my Achilles tendon. It popped so loud the kids thought i had stepped on the last hurdle.sort of funny(not funny ha ha) but surgery etc ensued. today,doing winter workouts for our first session, and was demonstrating low hurdles again and the kids were terrified i would fall apart .brought back some bad memories so i coasted through the last hurdle.felt like a suck though.Tog and Huey would have benched me for that.hate coasters but .....getting older and wiser
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Post by wccoach on Mar 25, 2009 17:54:41 GMT -6
I am "veteran" coach with about 30 years in the high school ranks as a coach and I have been the scout QB on a number of occasions for the last 5 years. Our conference has several teams and we see a large variety of offensive schemes each year. We do not have enough players to platoon effectively and the scout QB's are usually sophomores or freshmen. We run a one back spread scheme that is Jet Sweep based with very little option due mostly to the lack of athletic type QB's. Our scout Qb's are just barely functional running a scheme similar to ours and are worthless in the wing T, Veer, Zone Read, Double Wing or Air Raid type offenses. The other assistant coaches have never coached or played QB in any of those schemes and I am pressed into service out of default because I am the only one that has coached or been under center when the up coming opponent runs one of the fore mentioned systems. I have never been injured or injured another player (physically), although I have embarrassed a few over the years.
I still have fairly good quickness, although I have lost a step or two when it comes to flat out foot speed and can run the veer and zone read option with a pretty good level of success. We have had some pretty good scout RB's and I always tell them to stay with me in pitch relationship because I am going to pitch them the ball it is just a matter of when. This year we saw 2 Veer teams, 2 Zone Read option teams, 1 Double Wing team and 1 Air Raid team that forced me into service. I had several plays were I caught the DE cheating outside and gave a little head fake and got up field inside of him, then made the pitch 7-10 yards up field where the RB took it for big plays. The players really got a charge out of it and our DE's were "aggressively" coached to honor their assignments. I tried to coach up one of our scout Qb's to run the Double Wing, but he just could not match up the footwork and ball fakes well enough to give us a look and I was forced into running the DW for a week.
I still have a decent arm, a quick release, and the ability to look off a safety, so I give them a much better look against the pass than our younger scout qb's. I have never been much of a "trash" talker, even when I played, but had a new assistant this year that helped on Scout O that really dished it out when we were having some success. I had to get him under control a couple of times to stop the Varsity Defense from killing me, although they were under strict orders to not hit the "Old Man QB". On pass plays where no one was open I would just stop and yell out "SACK" to stop the pass rush or fire it into coverage and let my receivers try to make a play. I am sure I never held onto the ball more that 3 seconds before making a pass or calling "Sack" and only scrambled a hand full of times when I was sure I could safely break the pocket or leave the designated protection scheme.
I know that it putting a coach under center for scout is not the ideal situation, but our defense showed a marked improvement this year because we were able to give them a decent look as a Scout Offense each week. My son is an adult now and my Wife never attends a practice and my "little secret" was safe until the end of the year banquet where I was the co-recipient of the Scout Player of the Year Award. She did not participate in the standing ovation I received from the players and has made it clear that she will not be available to pick me up or visit me at any of the area hospitals should I break my streak of "no injury seasons". We currently have a varsity assistant opening for next year and I am pushing hard for a coach with some QB experience to take over my reign as the Scout QB for next season. So coaches, be careful out there, but sometimes you have to do what you have to do to help the team!
Sorry about the long post of bragging about my QB play and I want to thank anybody that reads this nauseating, self promotion ego stroke that a pathetic old man has shamelessly submitted. I promise to never do to it again!!!
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