sbv
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Post by sbv on Oct 13, 2008 8:15:37 GMT -6
We went up against a team in game one who broke out their new offense, which looked like a Power I gun offense. They had three running backs, one behind the QB, and then one next to the QB and one behind him. They were usually in either a double tight, double wing, or a combination of the two. They had 0 WRs. They used a lot of misdirection and a lot of reverses, direct snaps, etc. What is this offense called so I can start to prepare for it for next year. They had been a double wing team up until this year, which is why we prepared for it and then they ran this. It was effective against us and I just watched film of them getting ready for our next opponent and apparently they are sticking with it so I would like to research it in the offseason. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Post by morris on Oct 13, 2008 8:30:48 GMT -6
can you draw it up on here using the - - - and letters? What is the depth of the QB and backs? I think it is a single wing and/or a DW teams that has just rearranged their backs and are still running the DW offense.
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sbv
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Post by sbv on Oct 13, 2008 8:57:09 GMT -6
--X-LT-LG-C-RG-RT-Y--
---------Q--1
---------2--3
This is what it looks like. To me it kind of looks like the spin offense where the Q gets the ball snapped to him, turns around, and then there is a cluster as the backs go their own way. They also do a lot of direct snap since the 1 back is at the same angle as the Q, just to the other side.
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Post by morris on Oct 13, 2008 9:23:40 GMT -6
I think it is a SW spin series. I would love to see this
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Post by coachorr on Oct 13, 2008 10:51:03 GMT -6
I run it and these are the formations I use:
Base formation is the "T"
X----------------------------LT-LG-C-RG-RT-------------------Z
-------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------3----Q----2
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Robust Right
X----------------------------LT-LG-C-RG-RT-Y--
-------------------------------------Q--2--3
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Robust Left:
-------------------------Y--LT-LG-C-RG-RT-------------------------X
-----------------------------2--3---Q--
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Brown Gun Yo:
X----------------------------LT-LG-C-RG-RT--Y-----------------
-------------------------------------------------------------------Z
-------------------------------------Q----3
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Black Left Gun Yo:
-------------------------Y---LT-LG-C-RG-RT-------------------Z
X-------------------------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------3----Q
-------------------------------------4
We can also go double tight in any of these formations. The Q and the Fullbacks are at 3 to 4 yards and the 4back is at 7.
This is the old Inverted Bone or the Ham Bone, but out of Shotgun (pistol) action. I only Run Lead, Toss Sweep, Speed Option, Speed Trap, and Draw off of it. If I had the time and a better oline, I would run Belly, Double Dive, Belly Sweep, Power, Down, counter dive and counter trey out of it, but you can only do what you can do.
I also shift to rubust in this. Really an interesting combination of alignments, defenses have a hard time adjusting to it at first, but then again, I only run it till they stop it then am back to my usual gun stuff.
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Post by coachjoe3 on Oct 13, 2008 15:19:10 GMT -6
Brown Gun Yo: X----------------------------LT-LG-C-RG-RT--Y----------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------Z -------------------------------------Q----3 -------------------------------------4 Drew up a few plays this AM in this formation, then saw you had it on here. I like how you can mix up a lot of familiar concepts in a different look without a lot of adjustments . . . |
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Post by outlawjoseywales on Oct 13, 2008 17:49:00 GMT -6
It funny to me that all this "innovation" looks curiously like the singlewing. The formation you've drawn IS a singlewing formation, and just might be the the Knute Rockne's Notre Dame Box.
Draw some plays and we'll see.
Thanks OJW
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Post by coachorr on Oct 13, 2008 20:58:14 GMT -6
I wasn't trying to be innovative as much as I was am trying to be simple. But the above formation does look like the ND box.
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Post by coachjoe3 on Oct 13, 2008 21:30:07 GMT -6
Now does a tailback behind the QB make it something other than the SW? Or does that matter? I've seen the SW in a few different formations, but usually the QB (I guess in the true SW it is considered the tailback) is the last back in the formation, w/out anyone behind him. I guess I thought what coachorr drew up was something like a gun/off set I . . . darn . . . I was all set to start producing my own videos . . .  |
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Post by coachjoe3 on Oct 13, 2008 21:31:41 GMT -6
It funny to me that all this "innovation" looks curiously like the singlewing. The formation you've drawn IS a singlewing formation, and just might be the the Knute Rockne's Notre Dame Box. Draw some plays and we'll see. Thanks OJW Maybe that's why it's so familiar! |
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Post by coachorr on Oct 13, 2008 22:06:47 GMT -6
Reading letters from left to right on the screen make words and form sentences. Try it some time you might find that it is f-u-n.
"This is the old Inverted Bone or the Ham Bone, but out of Shotgun (pistol) action."
It has been good to us, by allowing us to out man teams at the POA and for whatever reason they don't adjust too quick. But then again, the simpler I make it the better coach I am. Not the sharpest tool in the shed.
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Post by coachjoe3 on Oct 15, 2008 16:23:57 GMT -6
Reading letters from left to right on the screen make words and form sentences. Try it some time you might find that it is f-u-n. . Words? Sentences? |
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Post by sehested on Oct 16, 2008 4:08:49 GMT -6
Brown Gun Yo:
X----------------------------LT-LG-C-RG-RT--Y-----------------
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-------------------------------------Q----3
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I think I saw LSU use something like this formation in the game against Florida last week. They ran triple option or zone triple with the 3-back as the dive and the 4-back as pitch going to the right.
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Post by morris on Oct 16, 2008 6:44:37 GMT -6
There are some Air Raid schools that use that formation and run zone, zone read and PA pass off of it. I have been looking at the Base T formation with normall T/I type running game. It ends up looking like SW spinner series but it looks like it could be very fun.
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Post by lochness on Oct 16, 2008 6:51:07 GMT -6
Anything these days where the QB is not taking a direct snap from under center is considered highly FUN and EXCITING, isn't it??
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Post by morris on Oct 16, 2008 7:29:33 GMT -6
I was looking at Leo Hands Modern T Offense book last night. The Maze series as he calls it is your normal T reverse out type of stuff. I am not sure how much of a true QB we will have next year so the thought of the spinning cross action with 4 different guys able to run the ball just go tme a little excited. Using it with Counter trey blocking and half spin stuff looked like a nice combination.
I always like seeing those HS teams that run what looks like 4 plays and it all looks the same. Yet you can never find the ball.
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Post by coachorr on Oct 16, 2008 9:02:21 GMT -6
Loch, with all due respect.
LT 5'8 150 lbs
lG 5'8" 145
C 5'10"150
Rg 5'9" 150
Rt 5'10" 160
Not only fun and exciting, but safe and sane.
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Post by poweriguy on Oct 16, 2008 11:07:21 GMT -6
With all the potatoes and prime rib up there in Idaho, I thought you surely would have bigger linemen...
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Post by coachorr on Oct 16, 2008 11:33:04 GMT -6
Not in the ghetto. I took over the ninth grade program as a favor to the HC of the varsity program and to our assistant principal who was at a loss on who to hire.
We are the only ninth grade team in the conference that does not have two 8th grade teams that combine as the HS has 75% of another JH that feeds it. Our lunch count is something like 60 or 70 some per cent free and reduced. Not even a magician of an oline coach like me can get them to hold their blocks on every play.
Either way, it was a good season and a good experience for all of the kids involved. We adjusted for our size with scheme and the kids played their hearts out. We finished 3 and 5 with four games lost by less than a touchdown.
More importantly, it forced me to do something more than train olinemen and I learned alot from it.
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Post by coachjoe3 on Oct 16, 2008 20:18:13 GMT -6
coachorr,
What size school do you coach for down there? 3A? 4A?
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Post by jg08mhs on Nov 27, 2008 12:45:45 GMT -6
--X-LT-LG-C-RG-RT-Y-- ---------Q--1 ---------2--3 This is what it looks like. To me it kind of looks like the spin offense where the Q gets the ball snapped to him, turns around, and then there is a cluster as the backs go their own way. They also do a lot of direct snap since the 1 back is at the same angle as the Q, just to the other side. |
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Post by coachorr on Nov 27, 2008 12:57:18 GMT -6
5A. But our High school is fed by two Junior Highs.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2008 21:25:18 GMT -6
Coach I've seen something just like that before, It was called the tulsa spin formation. It was invented by coach John Minteer the purpose was to have 4 backs all spinning at once. it was a B!tch to find the ball
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Post by tog on Nov 28, 2008 21:30:07 GMT -6
orr
i look at it like this
there are three things you can do when undermanned
1. throw it around a lot
2. wing-t misdirection/jet/etc
3. option
if i had a line like that i would find out what they did best and then find out what the skill kids around them did best and tailor the offense around that
power I gun offense nor power I undercenter would be the first of my choices from the info provided
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