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Post by Coach Bennett on Oct 9, 2008 6:36:49 GMT -6
If you have a big game coming up and are running some unbalanced sets that you haven't yet shown, do you wait until the second half so no adjustments can be made during the half or just go for it in the first half?
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splitbacks
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Post by splitbacks on Oct 9, 2008 6:48:13 GMT -6
We have run a ton of unbalanced this year and the first time we did it, we came right out of the gate and hit them with it. After the half, we decided to return to the base set for the first series, then after that, it was back to the unbalanced. The team we played didn't adjust soon enough because we were back in the base after halftime. The next week we decided to stick with the unbalanced, but we did a "shift to" In that we would start in unbalanced right and shift to unbalanced left. The tackles and tight ends did not put their hands down until after they shifted and the sight of the tackles both sprinting to the other side was priceless. But you have to be fast, shift, in your stance, snap the ball
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Post by trojan on Oct 9, 2008 7:10:18 GMT -6
My opinion is that you need to run it early. Will it work? Can you afford to wait until the second half to find out??
I would imagine that if you run the unbalanced stuff and it doesn't work so well, or they adjust to it well, then you have the stuff you've been doing all season to fall back on. If you wait until the second half, and the unbalanced sets don't accomplish what you hope that they will, then you missed your opportunity to make halftime adjustments.
By the way, I LOVE unbalanced sets!
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Post by Coach Bennett on Oct 9, 2008 10:38:42 GMT -6
Thanks splitbacks and trojan.
I installed them a couple of weeks ago so they'd be ready to go and am psyched to use them.
What are your favorite unbalanced sets for what plays?
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Post by spreadattack on Oct 9, 2008 10:44:02 GMT -6
I'm a big fan too and I am curious what else people do. I like it both from the running perspective (see LSU in the Nat'l title game, the Wild hog, whatever else) but also what Mizzou has been doing. I think their offense is so well schemed right now. Obviously they have great players too.
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Post by rideanddecide on Oct 9, 2008 10:53:52 GMT -6
What are your favorite unbalanced sets for what plays? ---X-G-C-G-T-T--Z --A-----Q--------B ---------F Outside Veer, Belly, Counter. Motion A to the strength and run leads Great to put your beef together |
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Post by jgordon1 on Oct 9, 2008 11:11:57 GMT -6
We always run unbalanced early and always have play strong, weak and a pass off of it. not working as well this year as in the past. I think teams might have caught up w/ us on this one
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Post by eaglemountie on Oct 9, 2008 12:22:50 GMT -6
You should run the buck lateral series behind this unbalanced line! ;D
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Post by CoachMikeJudy on Oct 9, 2008 12:38:36 GMT -6
I prefer to show some unbalanced looks in the first half, see how they align, then decide which ones cause the best mismatch/bubble.
Come back second half with those formations and plays wired up, or save them for some crucial situations.
My take on it is that if you have a good thing going, don't over use it- wait a bit and come back to it. I've been guilty of catching a defense misaligned badly, gashing them for 3-4 plays in a row, then they adjust and we're still not in scoring range...MISSED OPPORTUNITY
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Post by coachnorm on Oct 10, 2008 6:30:42 GMT -6
I agree use it early, then if they adjust over the course of the half you can make changes at halftime to pick up what they've done. Both teams are going to have eyes in the press box so both of you will be constantly adjusting on the fly.
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Post by coachbiggers on Oct 10, 2008 10:18:00 GMT -6
How would you guys defend this? And to answer the origninal question, we ran into a team that did this to us this past weekend. We were able to make adjustments at the half and stopped it pretty good the 2nd half. We are an explosive offense so we went up by two scores and forced them out of it but boy it was a BEAST to stop. What we did was put our DT's in a 3 and 1 DE's head up on the EMOL and both out LB's on a GO. Now the reason I went from a 5 man front to 4-4 look is because I have athletes at the Middle LB and it's hard to block them in space, but what i'm afraid of is that come playoff time teams will run off tackle as opposed to trying to get outside! This was their formation: All they did was motion the WB to what side they were running, QB took snap and jumped in behind both WB's and RB in back field and once they ran the inside counter with the WB. So my question is how can I stay fundamentally sound without giving up too much at the point of attack?
X--G-C-G-T-T--TE
WB WB
Q RB
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Post by coachbiggers on Oct 10, 2008 10:19:09 GMT -6
X--G-C-G-T-T--TE
-WB- WB
-Q RB
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Post by coachbiggers on Oct 10, 2008 10:19:59 GMT -6
Both WB's should be on the right stacked behind the TE.
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Post by coachcb on Oct 10, 2008 11:03:10 GMT -6
Mixing in unbalanced sets with your normal package gives us fits on defense. It doesn't really matter to us when you show it, as long as they're basically thrown in there randomly between D and D situations. Generally, an unbalanced set is going to force to adjust in some manner; chances are we are going to have to make one adjustment.
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Post by eickst on Oct 10, 2008 11:09:55 GMT -6
Power I with end and FB Over.
----------T-G-C-G-T-TE---------------------SE
---------------QB--------FB
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Powers and sweeps work as well as just a QB keeper off the TE's butt. We tell our FB to cheat out more and more each time we line up, the DE's usually get used to the power and start crashing down, then we run the sweep and have the FB pin him so we can get outside. We send the backside OL and the PSG to LB/Safeties on the sweep. Weakside Tackle is eligible and is actually one of our backup FB's so you can run a Tackle screen off of the power action.
Works really well for us.
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Post by midlineqb on Oct 10, 2008 12:43:43 GMT -6
Run the unbalanced in the first half and let the opponent spend most of halftime adjusting to it instead of making their offensive or other defensive adjustments. The second half just mix it up and stay with what is working.
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Post by eickst on Oct 10, 2008 14:51:11 GMT -6
Run the unbalanced in the first half and let the opponent spend most of halftime adjusting to it instead of making their offensive or other defensive adjustments. The second half just mix it up and stay with what is working. That sounds like a good plan! |
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Post by raiderpirates on Oct 10, 2008 23:03:28 GMT -6
Run it from the very first play, off quick counts/first sound to lessen their adjustment time. If they begin to respond it sets up your counter or reverse, or you can go from unbalanced right to left and go with it there.
We got our Qb two hundred yards. Outside of some penalties on two long plays and his stepping out of bounds when he really didn't get forced out, he might have got three hundred. We had a lot of turnovers and key penalties on other aspects but for all but three possessions the team got huge yards. The team we faced really wasn't bad defensively either, they play the same system we do so it kind of helped us fit blocks on the line or set them up outside better.
We had a first down every possession but those three mentioned, and had several long drives end in fumbles by backs or INT late in the half trying to pass with almost no time left.
If you take the game plan to the other team it usually benefits you better. Bill Walsh said that Paul Brown was mad when other teams would do trick plays or different looks before he could. Most of the time a play done well would make the other coach stay away from those kind of calls.
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Post by trojan on Oct 11, 2008 14:49:12 GMT -6
Run the unbalanced in the first half and let the opponent spend most of halftime adjusting to it instead of making their offensive or other defensive adjustments. The second half just mix it up and stay with what is working. Yep. That sounds both simple and smart. |
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Post by pantherfb10 on Oct 11, 2008 15:04:36 GMT -6
Heres one of mine
TGCGTTE WR
WR QB
FB
RB
Bring Z in motion and just run off tackle,can pull LG if needed,FB trap,pitch and waggle all of this but Z is in motion in all of plays and usually in this package "Titan" is the backup TE
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Post by pantherfb10 on Oct 11, 2008 15:05:07 GMT -6
Should be a strong I to the right unbalanced sorry
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Post by raiderpirates on Oct 12, 2008 7:58:45 GMT -6
We lost 6-8 but always had the numbers on our plays, guys just missed some key blocks as indivuduals got fatigued.
The team we played has a two year winning streak. We also scored first. We did some things on defense as well, including a first and goal with inches to go and we stuffed them four consecutive plays. We forced a fourth and four with four seconds left as well, inside their 20.
The HC was going to let the game end but I used our time outs and we almost got the ball back on a shotgun snap(that's right, they used the shotgun on third and fourth down inside their 20 with a two point lead). They were going to run from the gun, we practiced on it all week and stopped it for the most part.
We had HC of all the other teams congrats us, telling us we played great, etc. They actually played better because they won, but we still played very good. People were surprised how mortal their team looked. Our guys stayed on their snap count in short yardage. They go silent or timed and people were seeing how they get a jump on the ball for short yardage and we eliminated that. Pushed the pile back several times also.
The only thing keeping us from scoring earlier was trying to use something other than a quick count the first time we got in the red zone. The infractions on that were the yardage difference. We came back and scored the next possession and played the entire 4th quarter on their side until the final play.
Other penalties they had three, we had one, and infractions were in our favor too. We made fewer mental mistakes from the players' perspectives.
The fact remains that the guys never gave up and showed a lot of heart.
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