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Post by 19delta on Sept 17, 2008 19:22:12 GMT -6
I coach at a small program in the midwest. We have about 24 juniors and seniors and we play about 8 kids both ways. Our defensive scout team for our starting offense hasn't been very good this year. Just hasn't been giving us any kind of realistic look. We have tried everything...half lines, incentives for making a big play on the scout team, up-downs for the offense when they don't execute...nothing has really worked.
Anyway, yesterday, our OC was so frustrated, he decided to simply tell the scout team the play. The idea was that, by telling the guys on the scout team where the play was going, that would significantly close the talent gap between the starting O and the scout D. I thought he was nuts, but it worked great! The scout team guys really started working hard because they knew they had a chance to make a play and our starters knew they had to be perfect and work hard, otherwise they would look bad. The other nice thing was that we got extra reps in because we didn't have to go to the huddle after every play. I would go as far to say that yesterday was the BEST offensive practice we have had all year.
Anyway, thought I would share that with any of you guys who have been struggling trying to get the scout team to give your offense a good look. Still haven't figured out how to get the scout offense to give our starting defense a good look, though.
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Post by John Knight on Sept 17, 2008 20:17:39 GMT -6
we always do that in our inside run period!
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Post by larrymoe on Sept 17, 2008 20:37:26 GMT -6
Coach- one thing I do is coach our defense during that period. It may not help our OL as much as is needed (I coach that too), but it's the only chance I get to work with those younger kids a lot of times. I try to teach them their fronts, but I teach them our technique. It has helped to the point that our scout defense can hang with the offense most times.
I don't know what that says about our varsity offense, but it has certainly helped raise the intesity of our practices.
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Post by coachjd on Sept 18, 2008 5:00:59 GMT -6
We mix in about 10 min of 1/2 line each day so we can go good on good. Now our left OT is going aginst the starting right OT, etc....
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Post by davecisar on Sept 18, 2008 5:33:44 GMT -6
Delta,
Simple, great idea.
At the youth level the differences in scout and starters is Grand Canyon big. Thanks, will be using it and it speeds up the practice tempo too.
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Post by macwomac on Sept 18, 2008 7:30:15 GMT -6
We're really small as well, so any ideas for upping the scout team performance are always welcome!
As OC, I have little to do with the defense (besides DL position coach) so I have been running the scout team QB this year. I take the best available players during any "free" time (like warm-ups and stretching) to learn the offense, sometimes 2 days in a row. I REALLY let the 1st D know when we make a play.....burns them up.
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Post by tribepride on Sept 18, 2008 7:45:14 GMT -6
We were having the same problems as stated above because of the lack of numbers and older players (11 juinors & seniors). This week we divided the team in two. We basically split them according to their positions in the offense. i.e. Each "team" has one starting guard and one 2nd string guard and so on. That way the defense is made up of half starters also. It greatly improved the intensity of practice this week. We plan on running all the #1 together at practice tonight.
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Post by bodaad on Sept 18, 2008 8:44:49 GMT -6
We are a small school and we have also found that by letting the defense know the play, it gives us a better look. Only problems come on trick plays, we have a scout team call to "be dumb"
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Post by coachbrexrode on Sept 18, 2008 14:06:47 GMT -6
Do you call the play on the line or do you still huddle? How bad to the kids cheat? This sounds like a good idea for a smaller school program. Thanks Coach
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 19, 2008 6:56:08 GMT -6
when the defense is practicing, the scout team and head coach expect every single card to be drawn up. now, I come onto the the field everyday w/ a book of plays and expect the scout team to run them. when it comes time for the offense (HC) he hands me a piece of paper w/ the plays listed and expects the defense lined up every time and gets pissed when they are not lined up to some arcane formation he made while he was mentally masterbating. why can't you O guys draw cards for your defensive scout and stop whining about it. here is a call we had yesterday, that we had to adjust to: pro flex slot left teddy rip rain zero, three, three, zero. what the F does that mean???
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 19, 2008 9:35:31 GMT -6
I had a guy draw the cards in one direction so I flipped the cards over and traced the circles w/ a magic marker. of course, he would write his plays and then say card 1a, 8b, 2b, 6a. so I would then be fumble f'ing the cards around. I swear it was worse
close on the call. I forgot to put "gun" in the call so it probably screwed you up. correct about the pro flex, teddy rip is the rb motion ing out to no backs, rain is the protection and the #'s are routes. the HC forgot to tell the rb what to do. I will guarantee we will NEVER call this in a game. our guy (happily) likes to run the ball. so the call will be pro 46 power. con 44 short. ray lou gun rain 2BB2 (slant bubble from 2x2)
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 19, 2008 11:46:33 GMT -6
Our calls last game
Boundary line (under/over depending on formation) approx 8 times
Falcon 0 (double eagle) approx 25 times
Falcon angle 0 i called this two or three time (maybe I was bored)
wide crush 0 (this is double eagle too, just stunting to it) 7 times
Base soft 2 8 times
wide 4 (only called this once) 1x (qb got around contain)
boundary dog 4x blitz four from a side
gave up 14 points. one mental bust for a td, one mental bust for a +25 yd gain kid took pitch instead of qb. poor tackling on td #2
Guess what? playing another vaunted spread team next week (we are off this week)using the same game plan w/ a different emphasis. held the rb last week to 6 yds rushing. qb had 56 (see big gain above)
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Post by jgordon1 on Sept 19, 2008 12:40:56 GMT -6
sorry to hear that. that's a tough one
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Post by 19delta on Sept 19, 2008 22:01:27 GMT -6
Do you call the play on the line or do you still huddle? How bad to the kids cheat? This sounds like a good idea for a smaller school program. Thanks Coach We just called the play from the line...saved TONS of time because we didn't have to huddle. |
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