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Post by realdawg on Sept 17, 2008 7:44:26 GMT -6
Traditionally we have been a spread team, and very successful in it. However, for whatever reason, this year we did not have a QB in the program that could run nor do we have one that has a very strong arm. Our WR arent fast enough to beat athletic man coverages on their underneath stuff, so we went to I and one back formations under center. We have a decent OL. (not great but a good group of average sized kids who work and play hard). We are a program that is used to winning, but now are 1-2. We lost to our arch rival in week one 28-7. Then blew out the sisters of the blind, 40-0 and then lost to a team we thought we could compete with 42-7. What they did to stop us was simply load up the box, and play man on our WR. The pass play we had success with was a quick X by the WR out of twins, and playaction fullback in the flat. My question is this. If you cant throw the ball that great, what plays do you call when the other team really loads the box up one you?
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sbv
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Post by sbv on Sept 17, 2008 7:56:43 GMT -6
I'm a big fan of four plays against a loaded box. 1) The Veer - only disciplined teams can stop this and if your QB is smart and can read, the OL can leave 1 sometimes 2 men free and go to backer.
2) Iso w/ base blocking - I've got two big backs and LBs hate seeing these guys as lead blockers. I'll run QB Iso as well, so I've got both backs blocking in the hole.
3) Toss - keep them honest on the outside, and make them respect the backside by having your QB sprint there after the toss (can also run toss keep where the QB fakes the toss and keeps it on the edge if defense isn't honest).
4) Screen - let them come, OL go to LBs. Even I can throw a screen pass and very few DL are disiplined enough to not think that they are fantastic and just blew through their blocks.
This is what works for us and I have a QB who is smart, quick (but not fast), and is hard-nosed (he's playing with a broken left hand this week).
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Post by realdawg on Sept 17, 2008 8:48:32 GMT -6
LOL this decision came from the top, I am just a lowly OL coach trying to find some new ideas to present to my OC
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Post by olinecoach61 on Sept 17, 2008 10:44:19 GMT -6
What about developing a quick passing game. 3 step drop Coverdale stuff. Its easy to learn and run and gives you some ability to throw the ball. Mix in a couple of deep balls just to keep em honest. Even if they're incomplete, it'll scare the d.
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Post by realdawg on Sept 17, 2008 11:01:46 GMT -6
When we throw it deep it scares the O. (Think pick)
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Post by lochness on Sept 17, 2008 11:27:16 GMT -6
Coach, (SARCASM ACTIVATED) Are you people INSANE? Why would you get out of the vaunted Shotgun Spread Offense to go with an antiquated I-Backs Offense??? Anyone who knows ANYTHING about football knows that if you ain't coaching the Gun, you ain't coaching!!! I mean, what would Urban Meyer and Chip Kelley say? Really coach, you should be disappointed in yourself and everyone with whom you associate. Sorry, that was biting and sarcastic, but I clearly have an inferiority complex becasue I'm not nouveau enough to be in the gun myself. We have found, in our own antique jalopy of an offense (multiple I) that 2 things nullify defenses packing the box on you. 1. Have an efficient and effective quick passing game. 3-step drop slants, outs, and hitches to the X and the Z WR's will force safeties and OLB's to widen out of the box. You can very quickly reduce an 8 man box to a 6 man box if you demonstrate ability and willingness to throw these simple routes. 2. Have some sequencing in your backfield action. In other words, don't just line up and run Iso, Toss, Inside Zone, and Stretch. Have some "wing-t" concepts thrown in there, where it is tougher for defenses to zero in on the ball carrier because there's some faking involved. Option game is good, Crossbuck action is good, double dive action is good...Make sure all your plays are not full-flow and straight downhill.
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hoir
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Post by hoir on Sept 18, 2008 21:38:52 GMT -6
What do you have for tight ends and running backs? Run the maryland-i right down their throats and then hit playaction deep to a tight end.
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Post by dtackle74 on Sept 19, 2008 0:44:52 GMT -6
What do you have for tight ends and running backs? Run the maryland-i right down their throats and then hit playaction deep to a tight end. We run the Maryland I and our playaction passes are our passing staples. All of our playaction passes mimic one of our runs perfectly. We'll run our Lead/Iso/Scissors/Power/etc., then when they start getting 8 or 9 walked up we'll run the playaction counterpart. The key is for the QB (1 back) and the fullback, halfback, and tailback (2, 3, and 4 respectively) to execute good fakes on the playaction. We also try to put as much deception in our offense as possible. We run a lot of double wing as well as Maryland I and have had success with wing reverses, jet sweeps, double handoffs, etc. You don't have to necessarily run the Maryland I, or any new formation. Find one or two running plays that work well for you, then develop a playaction counterpart. Run the fullback straight up the center's butt, then fake fullback dive and throw a quick hitch...run a toss sweep to death, then run a half-back sweep pass, etc. If the linebackers and DBs bite on the playaction, your WR doesn't have to be that fast. And like Lochness said, a quick passing game will make up for them not being athletic enough to defeat man coverage. If your quarterback can throw a quick slant correctly, it's either a catch or incomplete. But as always, the classic KISS rule never hurts. Keep it simple for your kids: it's better to do one or two things well than lots of things badly. Good luck. Sorry if my post was incoherent, but I just got done breaking down some very brutal freshmen film.
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hoir
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Post by hoir on Sept 19, 2008 3:52:10 GMT -6
Another beauty of the maryland-i is it basically forces the defense to be balanced - which will make running into an 11 man box much easier.
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