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Post by pantherfb10 on Sept 6, 2008 17:00:38 GMT -6
What do you think will happen to our youth team we are 12 and under with ballcarrier weights of 120. We got beat yesterday by the other team in our organization,which was the PICKUP team. We came into it with a loss and now are sunk. Our team has a lotta talent but our HC is a a####### and doesnt know what hes doing. He has both his sons at QB and RB, RB is descent but doesnt have the fire or build for RB, QB is god awful and is scared of the rush and should be pulled. We have a small line but we have great recievers and are actually really talented but this guy just screws it all up. So this game we are playing the "pickup team",in the rain. 0-0 but we have 7 fumbled snaps by junior and a cpl of muffed punts by junior 2. They are stacking the line and "hurt" the RB and we cant move the ball,cause we have no play variation. They get the ball and since we run a lamebrain 5-5 defense with CBs in flats and S deep thirds,yes thats right,everyone else rushes. They absolutely are killing us with a flood pass,as someone is always open cause there is one guy wathcing the pass, they get to our 10 and miracle of all miracles fumble the ball with 30 seconds left. Knee and overtime right,WRONG. His first play gets called for delay of game,next play he lines his son in the shotgun and runs a sprint out rollout pass from inside our 1. you gessed it he gets sacked in the endzone and we lose 2-0. We are a good team and i cant stand that i can take these guys all the way if it wasnt for the HC being there.We scrimmage every day all day,have no fundo periods,cant throw the ball cant cover and can only run the ball. His solution is have them scrimmage an 14U unlimited team to build the line up to block,but that wont do anything. so what do you think,are we screwed?
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Post by coachtabales on Sept 6, 2008 17:20:14 GMT -6
You're screwed, and the season has just started. In our organization, you removed if the 3/4's majority of parents have justified cause to have you removed. "I don't like" him doesn't work either. If you have film on this guy during practice AND games, I would submit to your league organizer(s) and let them decide what to do. Other than that, there is little else you can do.
Good Luck
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Post by pantherfb10 on Sept 6, 2008 18:41:56 GMT -6
I dont want to get rid of him,i just want to turn the team around but he doesnt have it through his head that it's his fault
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Post by davecisar on Sept 7, 2008 4:44:46 GMT -6
Someone that scrimmages 1/2 of every practice has no clue of what he is doing HEs laid no foundation and with him setting his sons in the wrong spots = poor and selfish decision maker. Those kinds rarely if every change ( never seen it)
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Post by pantherfb10 on Sept 7, 2008 10:17:40 GMT -6
Just got an email from him,hes taking out everything,we are going on 1 every time,straight ahead blocking,direct snap with QB and RB in the backfield to make it easier on his son,not a SW like a shotgun I with FB and RB lined up behind QB whos 5 yrds back in gun. No stunts on defense only running same 5 plays. We now are scrimmaging a unlimited team with kids bigger than 165 lbs were a 135 max team, were done the ship has sunk
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Post by davecisar on Sept 7, 2008 11:41:03 GMT -6
With your backs that deep ( unless they are the 2 fastest kids in the league), you have little chance at any positive yardage plays. I predict negative total yards in this scrimmage. Straight ahead 1 on 1 blocking ? BEtter look forward to next year and start doing some research now for a well coached team to latch onto IMHO>
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Post by coachtabales on Sept 7, 2008 11:45:21 GMT -6
I agree with dave. Straight ahead blocking like that is a clear indication that he has no idea how to coach a team. Pray for no injuries, and get ready for next season if I were you.
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Post by pantherfb10 on Sept 7, 2008 13:48:47 GMT -6
thats what i think too,its really a shame cause we have good kids and are the biggest team in the league, what can i do to make them at least win a game cause losing to the pickup team lost all of us. our practice routine is hills and calisthenics for first 45 min then O drills more like just hitting sleds and handing the ball off,then scrimmage for 50 minutes. We blow assignments like crazy and cant cover or tackle .When i was the HC, we scrimmaged a lot but we did a lot more fundos and went a respectable 24-5 in three years,but this guy has it stuck in his head if he can toughen the kids up we will be a good team, we should be
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Post by davecisar on Sept 7, 2008 14:41:23 GMT -6
What has his record been as a head coach?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2008 16:22:54 GMT -6
pretty damn close
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Post by pantherfb10 on Sept 7, 2008 17:20:45 GMT -6
like 15-5 in three years
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Post by davecisar on Sept 7, 2008 17:31:36 GMT -6
That is amazing, because unless you play an entirely hapless team, that team wont win a game with him at the helm with his current priorities.
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Post by pantherfb10 on Sept 7, 2008 18:13:41 GMT -6
what would you do if you were the coach dave?
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Post by davecisar on Sept 7, 2008 19:24:21 GMT -6
If you are the assistant? I doubt you can do much, hes the head guy and hes not doing very well and wont do very well with the priorities he has in place. I would ask him at the core, what are the VERY SPECIFIC problems with the team and how exactly will "toughening them up" solve those VERY SPECIFIC problems. I seriously doubt that after 4-6 weeks your kids arent "tough enough" when they have yet to master the basics or have a legitimate or any for that matter blocking scheme. Send him over to my blog he will see himself described to a T in my articles on how not to coach. Even nice guys sometimes just dont know they dont know. If you make any headway at all, ask to cut conditioning out by 75% and give you that time to work with the O-line and institute real blocking rules and proper technique, while he plays with the backs.
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Post by pantherfb10 on Sept 7, 2008 19:49:42 GMT -6
Yes, I am but I coach the backs and we really dont have a lot of size at RB and our QBs both suck so we dont have much alternative.Our specific problems are this .We do have 6 striped kids and 4 that narrowly make that RB weight, but are on line for unknown reasons. We are huge, but we have our studs in the wrong positions,and no play diversity,we have blocking rules,wedge,cross,trap and double team but he has just told them to do it instead of teaching. We have small and slow backs cause of this fast big line thing and we scrimmage 60% of the practice. No passing plays with a fairly good crop of recievers,no tackling drills just scrimmages,which shows for a bunch of missed tackles and missed blocks because they have never been shown how to do it. His soulution is to make them run a set of hills for every point given up which frankly wont change.
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Post by coachd5085 on Sept 7, 2008 21:30:22 GMT -6
Yes, I am but I coach the backs and we really dont have a lot of size at RB and our QBs both suck so we dont have much alternative.Our specific problems are this .We do have 6 striped kids and 4 that narrowly make that RB weight, but are on line for unknown reasons. We are huge, but we have our studs in the wrong positions,and no play diversity,we have blocking rules,wedge,cross,trap and double team but he has just told them to do it instead of teaching. We have small and slow backs cause of this fast big line thing and we scrimmage 60% of the practice. No passing plays with a fairly good crop of recievers,no tackling drills just scrimmages,which shows for a bunch of missed tackles and missed blocks because they have never been shown how to do it. His soulution is to make them run a set of hills for every point given up which frankly wont change. My 2 cents...be VERY direct in questioning him on these practices. "Coach..how does running a set of hills improve our tackling? Can you explain that to me?" "Coach..how does running a set of hills improve our blocking, can you explain that to me as well?" "Coach, we don't seem to be utilizing our talent the best for YOUTH football..where the bigger faster kids are usually more productive as backs "Coach, I don't see how our current practice format will lead to any improvement. The kids don't get enough fundamental development. Can you show me how it WILL help us improve? "
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Post by davecisar on Sept 8, 2008 5:55:40 GMT -6
Yes, I am but I coach the backs and we really dont have a lot of size at RB and our QBs both suck so we dont have much alternative.Our specific problems are this .We do have 6 striped kids and 4 that narrowly make that RB weight, but are on line for unknown reasons. We are huge, but we have our studs in the wrong positions,and no play diversity,we have blocking rules,wedge,cross,trap and double team but he has just told them to do it instead of teaching. We have small and slow backs cause of this fast big line thing and we scrimmage 60% of the practice. No passing plays with a fairly good crop of recievers,no tackling drills just scrimmages,which shows for a bunch of missed tackles and missed blocks because they have never been shown how to do it. His soulution is to make them run a set of hills for every point given up which frankly wont change. Coach, Coach 5085 mirrored my suggestion on the questions It has to be embarrassing to be that big and do so poorly I would let him know that the same proccess is going to yield the same results and how going ofer is going to affect the interest in football in the fairly talented group you have in place. Changes have to be made, our backs seem to be the weak link, where can we make some personnel changes to get the most efficient mix of kids? How do we get the best 11 on the field that give us the best chance at success?
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Post by casec11 on Sept 8, 2008 9:02:11 GMT -6
Coach, If you are an assistant, ask to switch/take over the O-line, for 20-30 minutes a practice (HC probably will not have a problem with this since he is more concerned with his backs/sons). Teach them their blocking rules (walkthoughs ect.) and proper technique during this time. This way you are not going against the HC but helping in a area he probably thinks is the weak link(since his kids are backs). If that O-line starts opening huge holes it wont matter who is running. Just a suggestion so that your staff does not start infighting.
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Post by dlsmith99320 on Sept 8, 2008 14:58:40 GMT -6
Casec11 gave you great advice, talk it through, walk it through and keep the blocking simple, tell them where to line thier heads: helmet outside/helmet inside keep the scheme simple so you get lots of reps. Work on footwork and your o-line should improve.
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Post by coachjoe3 on Sept 16, 2008 13:56:53 GMT -6
What do you think will happen to our youth team we are 12 and under with ballcarrier weights of 120. We got beat yesterday by the other team in our organization,which was the PICKUP team. We came into it with a loss and now are sunk. Our team has a lotta talent but our HC is a a####### and doesnt know what hes doing. He has both his sons at QB and RB, RB is descent but doesnt have the fire or build for RB, QB is god awful and is scared of the rush and should be pulled. We have a small line but we have great recievers and are actually really talented but this guy just screws it all up. So this game we are playing the "pickup team",in the rain. 0-0 but we have 7 fumbled snaps by junior and a cpl of muffed punts by junior 2. They are stacking the line and "hurt" the RB and we cant move the ball,cause we have no play variation. They get the ball and since we run a lamebrain 5-5 defense with CBs in flats and S deep thirds,yes thats right,everyone else rushes. They absolutely are killing us with a flood pass,as someone is always open cause there is one guy wathcing the pass, they get to our 10 and miracle of all miracles fumble the ball with 30 seconds left. Knee and overtime right,WRONG. His first play gets called for delay of game,next play he lines his son in the shotgun and runs a sprint out rollout pass from inside our 1. you gessed it he gets sacked in the endzone and we lose 2-0. We are a good team and i cant stand that i can take these guys all the way if it wasnt for the HC being there.We scrimmage every day all day,have no fundo periods,cant throw the ball cant cover and can only run the ball. His solution is have them scrimmage an 14U unlimited team to build the line up to block,but that wont do anything. so what do you think,are we screwed? Coach, Anything new in your situation? I'd be interested in hearing what's going on.
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Post by pantherfb10 on Sept 16, 2008 17:07:36 GMT -6
hey sorry i have been gone for so long,we completely changed the offense to a shotgun single wing variant,blocking rules are changed. But heres the bad part,our kids have No life at all NONE. They had some intensity before our losses but the back to back losses took the wind out of their sail and theyre nonchalant and quiet now. We scrimmaged the A team and it was an utmost disaster, we fumbled 7 consecutive snaps and the O got about 10 yards a pop,ive never seen a team devolve from a potential championship contender to nothing. Its a lost season,even I have to admit and I get no leeway in anything so fine if he wants to lose fine but hes also sending out different schedules to MPPs(if you miss 1 or more practices you cant play) so he can get them all to not play. Whatever,its a disgrace. What is your thoughts?
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Post by pantherfb10 on Sept 16, 2008 19:39:42 GMT -6
we are located in virginia
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Post by coachjoe3 on Sept 16, 2008 23:03:54 GMT -6
hey sorry i have been gone for so long,we completely changed the offense to a shotgun single wing variant,blocking rules are changed. But heres the bad part,our kids have No life at all NONE. They had some intensity before our losses but the back to back losses took the wind out of their sail and theyre nonchalant and quiet now. We scrimmaged the A team and it was an utmost disaster, we fumbled 7 consecutive snaps and the O got about 10 yards a pop,ive never seen a team devolve from a potential championship contender to nothing. Its a lost season,even I have to admit and I get no leeway in anything so fine if he wants to lose fine but hes also sending out different schedules to MPPs(if you miss 1 or more practices you cant play) so he can get them all to not play. Whatever,its a disgrace. What is your thoughts? Can you meet with him away from the field to talk about all this? A different approach is definitely needed if these kids are to get an experience worth the time and effort. Don't consider it lost, if you can get the kids to pull up from the tailspin they seem to have gotten in after the losses then that's something to be proud of. As far as being flat, set the example that the HC is refusing to be for the kids. The old saying goes that players take on a coaches personality. Let them take on yours. Also, do you have evidence of the differing schedules being sent to the MMPs? If so, you might consider this the straw that broke the camel's back and inform the league director that you won't coach under someone that lacks ethics. That might cause them to look into the HC a little. Heck, I've seen coaches dismissed on the word of a parent with no investigation, seems deliberately tricking MPPs into missing practice should do the trick here. Apart from that, set yourself apart from this guy by coaching your a$$ off for the kids. Then wait 'til next year. Good luck, coach.
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Post by casec11 on Sept 17, 2008 7:02:06 GMT -6
we completely changed the offense to a shotgun single wing variant,blocking rules are changed. we fumbled 7 consecutive snaps Are these bad snaps? or can the qb not handle the ball. We base out of shot gun and we had some bad snaps our first two games. We tried this and it helped. If it is the QB not handleing it you may have to talk to the HC about, replacing him, or go back under center. your in a tuff situation. but stay possitive for the kids and keep teaching them. also Preach ball protection on offense and stripping on D, this may help limit your teams mistakes and force turnovers to capitalize on.
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Post by davecisar on Sept 17, 2008 7:54:22 GMT -6
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Post by pantherfb10 on Sept 23, 2008 8:52:18 GMT -6
hell yes we won a GAME! it was against the worse team in the league but hey we won!
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