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Post by airraider on Aug 10, 2008 16:42:22 GMT -6
We are able to start practice tomorrow.. but do not start school for another week..
have 3 starters who will be out of town until next weekend..
have 2 starters who are scheduled to work evenings all this week.. and we are practicing at 6pm..
And have around 10 or so back ups who I have not been able to get in touch with.. phones turned off..
This is an inner city school.. have had a few kids not be able to get up here this past week at 8am due to no ride..
I am starting to just say screw it.. and do the best we can until school starts next Monday..
Only problem.. we scrimmage that thursday..
We have put in 90% of the offense during 7 on 7.. and probably 80% of the defense..
We will have our scrimmage.. then jamboree.. then play 3 non-district games..
I hope it will be enough time.. but what else can I do?
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Post by davecisar on Aug 10, 2008 16:51:47 GMT -6
Inner city has its own nuances. I once had an inner city team where 1/4 never had any phone. When we had to communicate with them , we called a neighbor or went to their "house" in the projects. We had 2 parents show up at games, not enough for a chain crew. Loaded all the kids in coaches vehicles at the practice field ( right accross the street from the projects) to go to games. Many had not eaten by 12:00 on Sunday, probably over 1/2. Interesting dynamic you have to have experienced to understand.
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Post by airraider on Aug 10, 2008 17:10:38 GMT -6
Inner city has its own nuances. I once had an inner city team where 1/4 never had any phone. When we had to communicate with them , we called a neighbor or went to their "house" in the projects. We had 2 parents show up at games, not enough for a chain crew. Loaded all the kids in coaches vehicles at the practice field ( right accross the street from the projects) to go to games. Many had not eaten by 12:00 on Sunday, probably over 1/2. Interesting dynamic you have to have experienced to understand. You are DEAD on.. We have a kid who will be a sophomore this year.. last year we were trying to get in touch with him.. his older brother played back in 03/04 and we found his old folder from that year.. it had a phone number.. and just for kicks I gave it a call... to everyone's suprise.. we got in touch with the kid.. to have a number working for 4 years.. the other coaches who have been there for YEARS.. they couldnt believe it.. the biggest problem are these dang pay by the minute cell phones.. the go and throw ones.. they use them up.. they throw them away and buy another one.. I have one kid who gave me 5 numbers.. and NONE of them work..
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Post by coachgeiser on Aug 10, 2008 18:46:47 GMT -6
Coach, I hear you. I am sitting here at 8:30 Sunday evening. We start practicing tomorrow 8/11. I am always nervous about how many kids will make it to practice. I posted before that I coach in the inner city of Philadelphia, and I face the same problems as the previous posters. We decided a few years back to just do the best we can. We have an academic tutor, we have a very nice weight room, we lift in the spring and during the summer at 7:00 am. The problem we had this past summer is that most of my players had to attend summer school, so that was an excuse to miss the morning work outs. On top of this we were a 3A school the past few years, and this yea we are moving down to a 2A classification. The numbers n our school have gone down every year. I am looking at about 20 players right now. I am hoping that once school starts a few more will come out for the team. If we get 15 -20 9th graders then they will fill out our JV team. I just got off the phone with my wife,(she is out of town with the kids, I stayed home to get ready for tomorrow), and she said that I am always discouraged the first week of football. Now having said all of that, we are still a tough football team. We have had winning seasons the past 3 years, and the kids seem to pick things up pretty quickly. You must stay positive in front of the kids. That is one thing which I have always done, and they do pick up on that. Good luck to you, and evryone else as your seasons start. Coach Geiser
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Post by tiger46 on Aug 10, 2008 21:36:31 GMT -6
Same boat. I coach youth in East Austin. That would be the equivalent of inner-city if Austin truly had an inner-city. It's just downright painful trying to get kids to practice and develop a good work ethic. Since I coach youth, most of the problems lie with the parents- single-mothers (most of my players are from that type of household) are especially worrisome to me. But, it's not limited to single-mothers. The worse thing is, if a player is having problems at home or, at school, the first thing the parents want to do to punish him is to pull him out of football. It's never take his playstation or, xbox, away. It's always pull him out of football because that'll hurt him more. Yeah, that's a good solution- take him away from the only activity that provides him with structure and discipline and demands hard work. Our teams have a no-pass/no-play rule. But, I've made the mistake of leaving it to the parents to inform us of when their son is having problems. I think I'll correct that this year by making it mandatory that their schoolwork form is signed by their teachers that they are clear to play that week. I've had parents lie to my face about their kid's grades when I ask. I guess some are too embarrassed to tell us that their son isn't performing well in that area. And, I found out that some didn't actually know how their kids were doing in school until the 'Your Child is Failing' letters were sent out.
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Post by cltblkhscoach on Aug 10, 2008 22:00:21 GMT -6
I think seeing this topic must be a sign from God. We are about the only school in our city with any issues regarding to getting kids to show up for practice. Coach Geiser our situation is similar to yours - we are an underfilled 3A school that has had 4 coaches in 4 years. My head coach, myself, and the assistants are dedicated, yet we had more show up to 7 on 7's during the summer than actual practice right now. We have a game in 12 days and currently have 15-20 kids in all. It's hard some days not to get down, especially when you have 10 guys show up for a practice and you can't even go against air on one side of the ball, but you really have to be strong.
I really did some thinking this weekend and have some ideas that I'm going to present tomorrow, but you guys are hitting the nail on the head, you can't show the frustration and disappointment in front of the kids and I think at times we have, just because none of us has ever been in a situation this dire. But I'm really taking it upon myself as the OC to be strong, provide the kids with every chance to be successful, and keep showing up because things are going to get better.
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Post by dal9000 on Aug 10, 2008 22:31:07 GMT -6
I really did some thinking this weekend and have some ideas that I'm going to present tomorrow. May I ask what ideas those are? Maybe some of the other coaches on the board who are in similarly dire straits can benefit from them.
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Post by cltblkhscoach on Aug 10, 2008 23:11:49 GMT -6
Well, we have money issues too so some of this would come from my own pocket, but here it goes.
1. Community Festival - This school has had little support outside of the student body and parents, so I would throw a festival at the football stadium. The school is new - 6 years old, so the facilities aren't bad at all. We could have some kind of youth football going on, a fish fry outside in the parking lot, and maybe some kind of musical/talent show performance in between the youth games. This would be a Saturday morning type of deal.
2. Preseason Player Meetings - We would have a form we fill out as coaches as we meet with each player and their parents explaining to them the importance of their son to the success of our football program and outline the goals we want them to acheive this season. I just feel kids these days crave attention and discipline, and this kills two birds with one stone.
3. Offer Incentives - This school has trouble getting athletes to come out in general, so starting with football and other fall sports we have to offer some incentives to play and follow through on them. I actually fed them something small on Saturdays during the summer to try and improve attendance, but it didn't really work too well. Some of the guys on the staff were tossing around the idea of giving them a free spirit pack if they brought two guys that were eligible with them to practice, so that might be the way to go as a starting point.
4. Make Each Day Fun - Finding something to do everyday in practice that is truly fun, whether it be the linemen challenge of catching punts or coaches vs. players in 7 on 7 or a relay race by dividing the team in half and putting the linemen at the end to get them to push themselves, as coaches we have to do things to break the monotony of football to them.
5. Sell The Parents - A preseason cookout inviting the parents to have FREE food and have open discussion about any aspects of the program from play calling to playing time to any suggestions they have about making the program better. We have to get our parents to sign a pledge before their son can be even put on a roster so this is almost a must. The principal is even willing to go as far as picking them up on a bus so the administration is behind us.
The kids just don't want to play because of the bad experiences they had the past couple of years so it's a rebuilding project, but I've been through one before that wasn't as dire but it got turned around into a decent program and the resources here are better and I think it can get done sooner than later.
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Post by davecisar on Aug 11, 2008 4:33:01 GMT -6
Coaches. Im not sure if any of this applies to the High School guys, but here is how I survived and grew an innercity youth program from 0 to about 400+ in 5 years: We had fun at every practice, we hid our conditioning in fun team building games. I held the kids to very high attendance standards. We had weekly academic awards by team (pizza party on field for team with highest average accountability points) Had year end prizes for perfect attendance and grades (new bikes, used computers) all donated by local business interested in building youth through academics Player Contracts Pre Season meeting with kids and the few parents that would show, setting expectations, What they would get in return for being accountable to the standard, why it was important. Call anyone that missed practice Partner system, daily forced interaction and accountabilty to their assigned partner The kids knew we cared.
You will have many failures and disappointments in this scenario, it wears on you. You are more social worker than coach. But the wins are huge wins and very rewarding, the impact is much greater there. I coach in a very different area now and in many ways I prefer coaching inner-city warts and all. I always took the kids I took to the the games ( 9-10 kids) out to dinner afterwords at a very inexpenive local Fish place ( Joe Tess) Personal letters to the kids at end of season. You have to go the extra mile. We had to even do such ridiculous things like take a mom to the courthouse, pay the $10 and get a birth cert. Bought used shoes and got shoes donated so kids had cleats to wear ( yes we had kids in tennis shoes in previous years before we put this in) Our teams were competitive, we got a few good coaches and leveraged the expertise we had accross the board to all 400 kids. etc etc Hats off to the guys in this situation, if you havent been in it, you have no idea what these guys have to put up with. I have almost ZERO social worker stuff to do at my current gig, where my last one was about 60-70% Of which emotionally it takes up about 90% of the tank. My current coaches dont have a clue what my Inner City coaches had to do.
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Post by airraider on Aug 11, 2008 5:20:59 GMT -6
I think the main thing that will help out.. is I fully expect to have 99% of my team by a week from today..
We are purely going to put in our bear cov 1 and cov 3 on defense.. very simple.. easy to learn.. quick to learn.. especially being that we have been doing this same stuff with all of the starters all summer during 7 on 7..
On offense, most of the skill guys already know 90% of the offense.. need to get the line back to basics.. and install the rest of our run game..
I am just glad I am not running the Wing-T at this point.. and having to put all of that in in 3 days before we scrimmage..
The wife keeps telling me as well.. just worry about the ones there.. and worry about the rest when they get there.. and I guess she is right.. thats all I can do..
good luck to everyone..
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Post by raiderpirates on Aug 12, 2008 10:47:25 GMT -6
All ours have moved or will.
Starting QB, RB, RT, G/C all will be gone. One of our youngsters is practicing with us, but is moving soon. He just loves to be part of the team and is really high character so we welcome him back for the time he is here.
On defense it's worse. Both starting CB, a LB, our depth rotation for the line interior, all gone, and our best DE, one safety.
Counting two players who aren't going to be here, or a cousin of a player who helps us on the scout squad, we've got eight who show up at any one time right now, counting a transfer from another team that we've yet to clear with the league.
If we had enough for half line drills matched up to offense and defense and a full squad doing ghost reps it would be all right.
We'll get walk ons from school w/practice on the grounds. One of the best players we had last year was an arrival like that, late school transfer. He's one of the top players on the school team now.
We do crossbuck reps using a g-c-g and read off the 3 gap, hope to do some half line reps for stretch runs and sprintouts. That's where the sprintout works back into what you do, halve the field since you have half the players.
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Post by chuff on Aug 12, 2008 22:13:55 GMT -6
So... in a situation like that are there consequences for those who did not show up one day and did the next? In the first two days on my fall camp we had 8 kids miss the second day. I am trying to decide what to do if they come back tomorrow. Our numbers in general are down so I really want all that I can get- don't want to run any off. But still want to set a high standard. Is falling behind its own punishment? Does the rest of the team see it as such?
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Post by here4thekids on Aug 12, 2008 23:38:35 GMT -6
While I was an OC at my former school, the HC put a rule in effect where if you miss a practice for any reason (other than an extreme case like a death in the family that could be verified) you cannot play in the game/scrimmage. Our school was an urban school as well where we faced many of the same problems that you all mentioned. We had kids that had to work to help out with the family, we had kids that had to take care of siblings, etc. I was very concerned that we wouldn't have enough to play week in and week out because of the rule OR that some of our best players would miss practices and we would get killed in the games.
Well, needless to say the kids found ways to make it to all of the practices/2-a-days with no problems. Of course we had a few that could not play in the scrimmage and during the season our starting QB tried us and he sat out a game but the impact was great!! The big thing is that you will have to make an example out of someone and show the kids that you mean business. Attendance during the season never was a problem again and this rule set the tone for YEARS to come. Accountability was big in our program and there was no way that someone who missed a day would play over someone who was at practice every day. I think that you have to set the bar high and the kids will reach it. If you keep allowing them to give you 100s of different excuses it will always be a problem because they know there are no real consequences other than just being behind. I am in the process right now as a new HC of implementing this rule and the kids understand its impact. We have kids who are staying with other family members so they won't have to go out of town during our 2-a-days, we have kids asking to extra workouts to make-up for a missed practice, we have kids rescheduling job arrangements, etc. If you set the standard high and make the consequences great the kids will follow.
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Post by talexander on Aug 13, 2008 3:46:16 GMT -6
Airraider--
I have learned that my wife is always right about things like that. She might not know X's and 0s, but she usually is able to talk sense into me when I am looking at just the Football perspective.
I don't know if you have given gear out yet, but I made three lists. Group A were the ones who did what was expected (fund raising, etc), B was ones who did "avg" and C were the guys that were flakes. Doesn't matter if they are frosh or Senior. A gets their equip first, etc. A few seniors are in group C and some frosh in group A. First year doing it so we will see
My thinking is there is nothing more motivating than getting a shot at the "newer" stuff.
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Post by dacoachmo on Aug 13, 2008 6:48:31 GMT -6
gotta make the players accountable for the missed practices...do it now and it will pay off in the end. It's hard to say don't worry about wins early in the season but stress discipline...but...
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Post by coachjd on Aug 13, 2008 13:11:24 GMT -6
We take away playing time. Its funny how the excuses that parents and players make tend to go away when you tell them that they will miss a 1/2 or an entire game because they have let their team down when they miss a practice.
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Post by raiderpirates on Aug 13, 2008 22:27:20 GMT -6
That's what I started doing. Freelancers sit. Buy into what we ask you to do or watch someone else do it. Teamwork is important as talent, in fact it matters most.
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