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Post by airraider on Aug 9, 2008 21:30:23 GMT -6
How would you feel if one of your assistants had a son that was a super star QB for a rival team... and the game plan was to jack the QB up??
QB is big time recruit.. and although our intentions are never to hurt anyone in the course of a game.. our game plan will be to get after the QB and let him know we are there..
does that present a conflict of interest for the assistant?
would you approach the coach just to make sure he has no problem with the situation? Or would you just let the elephant in the room stay unannounced?
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Post by CoachCP on Aug 9, 2008 21:59:27 GMT -6
I think you got to tell him. You pray for the best obviously, but its part of football.
It should be understood that the QB will be pressured though, and your team doing the same should be different.
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Post by airraider on Aug 9, 2008 22:02:45 GMT -6
I think you got to tell him. You pray for the best obviously, but its part of football. It should be understood that the QB will be pressured though, and your team doing the same should be different. I think the biggest non-issue that may be perceived as one.. is that late in the spring the coach made talk that his son might transfer over.. well he didnt.. so I dont want it to appear that I am out to get him for not coming over.. |
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Post by CoachCP on Aug 9, 2008 23:16:56 GMT -6
You're not though.
You're choosing probably the best option for your team. Pressuring a good QB. If people need examples, look what the Giants did to the Pats in the Super Bowl. Or any game that Peyton Manning has looked bad.
You're doing the right thing coach. As long as you are honestly doing it for the right reasons, which I assume you are, then you have done no wrong. Just explain the situation. Remind him of how good his son is, and then remind him how to defeat good QB's. Tell him its nothing personal.
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Post by k on Aug 9, 2008 23:48:39 GMT -6
I can't imagine someone coaching against their son. Why isn't he coaching for his son's school?
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Post by airraider on Aug 10, 2008 5:41:57 GMT -6
I can't imagine someone coaching against their son. Why isn't he coaching for his son's school? He has been here for around 12 years... his older son transfered over and played at our school when he was a student.. The mother is a teacher at the other school.. and the QB has played with those kids since he was little.. I think its more of an issue with me than so with my assistant.. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 10, 2008 6:42:21 GMT -6
First issue...the game plan probably should be more than "jack the QB up" Phrasing is important.
2nd issue...I don't see why your philosophy regarding contact would be different for ANY QB. Whether you rush 6, 5,4, or 3, when you actually GET to the QB aren't you going to try to deliver as uncomfortable a tackle as possible? Therefore, as long as you don't change anything, this should be a non issue. But if you go around advertising the first issue...I could see some type of problem being possible. So, you are just scheming this QB/game as best as you see fit. Nothing wrong with that at all.
Concentrate on HOW you will get there, and keep the WHAT you will do when you get there consistent all year long. And don't make a deal of it.
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Post by airraider on Aug 10, 2008 7:46:46 GMT -6
First issue...the game plan probably should be more than "jack the QB up" Phrasing is important. 2nd issue...I don't see why your philosophy regarding contact would be different for ANY QB. Whether you rush 6, 5,4, or 3, when you actually GET to the QB aren't you going to try to deliver as uncomfortable a tackle as possible? Therefore, as long as you don't change anything, this should be a non issue. But if you go around advertising the first issue...I could see some type of problem being possible. So, you are just scheming this QB/game as best as you see fit. Nothing wrong with that at all. Concentrate on HOW you will get there, and keep the WHAT you will do when you get there consistent all year long. And don't make a deal of it. Well. that certainly is not a term I have used anywhere other than the first post.. I for sure wouldnt phrase it that way towards the dad.. This certain team has some weaknesses in their O-line and they throw the ball quite a bit. From previous games we have seen that he does not do as well when he is being pressured. So, the idea is to apply extreme pressure and tight man coverage. The kid has a cannon and will pick us apart if we sit back and let him, so this game, maybe more so than others.. we will bring the heat on him. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 10, 2008 8:03:10 GMT -6
. Well. that certainly is not a term I have used anywhere other than the first post.. I for sure wouldnt phrase it that way towards the dad.. This certain team has some weaknesses in their O-line and they throw the ball quite a bit. From previous games we have seen that he does not do as well when he is being pressured. So, the idea is to apply extreme pressure and tight man coverage. The kid has a cannon and will pick us apart if we sit back and let him, so this game, maybe more so than others.. we will bring the heat on him. And this is completely valid. That isn't what you originally stated. You asked how would a coach feel if your strategy was to "jack up his son". I was simply modeling a much better way of coaching that will lead your team to success. I don't think any coach would have a problem with you schematically doing what you need to do. And I don't think any asst coach would have a problem with you ALWAYS emphasizing that are hard tacklers. |
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Post by schultbear74 on Aug 10, 2008 8:17:53 GMT -6
It is a hard situation for me as a DLine coach when my son is our star QB and we are after him during a scrimmage.
The hardest part for me would not being there for him on gamenight. I know a lot of guys do it, but I want to be there for my kids.
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Post by airraider on Aug 10, 2008 8:19:13 GMT -6
. Well. that certainly is not a term I have used anywhere other than the first post.. I for sure wouldnt phrase it that way towards the dad.. This certain team has some weaknesses in their O-line and they throw the ball quite a bit. From previous games we have seen that he does not do as well when he is being pressured. So, the idea is to apply extreme pressure and tight man coverage. The kid has a cannon and will pick us apart if we sit back and let him, so this game, maybe more so than others.. we will bring the heat on him. And this is completely valid. That isn't what you originally stated. You asked how would a coach feel if your strategy was to "jack up his son". I was simply modeling a much better way of coaching that will lead your team to success. I don't think any coach would have a problem with you schematically doing what you need to do. And I don't think any asst coach would have a problem with you ALWAYS emphasizing that are hard tacklers. I didnt exactly state jack up his son.. I stated jack up the QB.. it just happens to be his son.. I guess the main concern is that his son will probably play QB for some college.. thus his future is resting on being healty.. and with us trying to hit him as much and as hard as we can.. I am sure somewhere.. even if its wayyyy back in his mind.. this has to bother the dad/coach some.. |
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Post by coachd5085 on Aug 10, 2008 8:25:18 GMT -6
I didnt exactly state jack up his son.. I stated jack up the QB.. it just happens to be his son.. I guess the main concern is that his son will probably play QB for some college.. thus his future is resting on being healty.. and with us trying to hit him as much and as hard as we can.. I am sure somewhere.. even if its wayyyy back in his mind.. this has to bother the dad/coach some.. Again, the only way I think you would have any problem is if you do things differently regarding the contact. If emphasizing punishing the QB becomes a "this week" thing, rather than something you preach starting Aug 11. |
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Post by 19delta on Aug 10, 2008 8:27:21 GMT -6
Tough spot to be in, Coach. I think that there is a greater potential for hard feelings between the dad and his son than there is between you and the assistant coach.
You have a job to do. That should be understood by everyone involved. You have no loyalty to anyone but your players, your staff, and your fans. Do what you need to do, within the rules, to win the game. Let the dad deal with his son. That relationship, IMO, has nothing to do with you.
The dad...what does he coach? Is he on the offensive or defensive side of the ball?
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Post by airraider on Aug 10, 2008 9:02:22 GMT -6
Tough spot to be in, Coach. I think that there is a greater potential for hard feelings between the dad and his son than there is between you and the assistant coach. You have a job to do. That should be understood by everyone involved. You have no loyalty to anyone but your players, your staff, and your fans. Do what you need to do, within the rules, to win the game. Let the dad deal with his son. That relationship, IMO, has nothing to do with you. The dad...what does he coach? Is he on the offensive or defensive side of the ball? He is our DB coach.. |
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Post by airraider on Aug 10, 2008 9:02:53 GMT -6
I didnt exactly state jack up his son.. I stated jack up the QB.. it just happens to be his son.. I guess the main concern is that his son will probably play QB for some college.. thus his future is resting on being healty.. and with us trying to hit him as much and as hard as we can.. I am sure somewhere.. even if its wayyyy back in his mind.. this has to bother the dad/coach some.. Again, the only way I think you would have any problem is if you do things differently regarding the contact. If emphasizing punishing the QB becomes a "this week" thing, rather than something you preach starting Aug 11. Well stated |
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Post by fbdoc on Aug 10, 2008 14:54:31 GMT -6
Acknowledging the communication issue with your coach (his dad) - it's not your job to protect the other team's QB! If your team is pressuring him and he's getting sacked/hurried or scrambling and getting tackled on the run, its HIS coach whose responsible to lessen the physical toll by creating better protection schemes or simply calling more hand-offs so the QB doesn't get hit. I don't think anyone on this board feels you are trying to put him out of the game (JACK HIM UP!) but if he is their stud, then you better account form him. Leave it up to his coach to figure out how to protect him.
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Post by jhanawa on Aug 10, 2008 18:52:20 GMT -6
IMO, I would guess if the coach and the D1 prospect kid are competative in nature, then they are probably "jawing" abit about who's going to have bragging rights around the house. Reflecting back on some one on one B ball games I had with my dad growing up, I can damn well tell you that it was a drag out fight to win, sometimes with blood, when pride was on the line......If anything, the dad might drop a tidbit and say that his "D" is going to knock his block off, etc........
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Post by tiger46 on Aug 10, 2008 21:16:06 GMT -6
Airraider,
I'm only a youth coach. And, I've never had to play against one of my AC's son. I won't weigh in on this. You guys have forgotten more about coaching football than I'll ever know. But, here's a statement that you made:
"This certain team has some weaknesses in their O-line and they throw the ball quite a bit. From previous games we have seen that he does not do as well when he is being pressured. So, the idea is to apply extreme pressure and tight man coverage.
The kid has a cannon and will pick us apart if we sit back and let him, so this game, maybe more so than others.. we will bring the heat on him."
So, I pose a question: Why should you not allow your team to execute your best gameplan to win?
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Post by casec11 on Aug 11, 2008 8:28:12 GMT -6
"This certain team has some weaknesses in their O-line and they throw the ball quite a bit. From previous games we have seen that he does not do as well when he is being pressured. So, the idea is to apply extreme pressure and tight man coverage.
The kid has a cannon and will pick us apart if we sit back and let him, so this game,.. we will bring the heat on him."
Just say this and I think his Dad would agree.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2008 18:27:28 GMT -6
How would you feel if one of your assistants had a son that was a super star QB for a rival team... and the game plan was to jack the QB up?? QB is big time recruit.. and although our intentions are never to hurt anyone in the course of a game.. our game plan will be to get after the QB and let him know we are there.. does that present a conflict of interest for the assistant? would you approach the coach just to make sure he has no problem with the situation? Or would you just let the elephant in the room stay unannounced? If you go after him, without telling dad he may take it as deliberate, if you tell him ahead of time, he will probably tell junior to watch out. Given the 2 I'd do it without saying anything, and explain that it was because he was such a threat, that we had to get after him. Especially if you play aggressive defense already |
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