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Post by liberalhater on Jul 22, 2008 18:10:49 GMT -6
It has nothing to do with their sex. has everything to do with preparing them for reality of friday night. FACT nobody on that field from the opposing team is going to "lay off" due to the fact she is a female. THATS A FACT FACT is the minute your kids see you are showing favoritism to the female to protect her? they lose respect for you THE COACH!
But if you want to go the civil right argument , Fine lets open the WNBA to MEN? Equal rights. MEN and women are equal in your world. RIGHT?
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Post by kcbazooka on Jul 22, 2008 18:14:57 GMT -6
coachd -- my concern about them taking away from playing time from those that may be out for high school I think is legitimate. The difference between girls and boys physically is less in junior high than high school. I just am worried that a good girl athlete in junior high will still probably play volleyball when she gets to high school.
I am not against the girls from playing- I am a track coach also and we had a 6'2" girl jumper/hurdler last year and I guarantee she could have run in plays at wide receiver as well as some of the kids I had playing. In the powder puff game she was kicking off into the end zone.
We'll find out next week whether the junior high girls show up --- I'll keep you posted.
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 22, 2008 18:20:19 GMT -6
I am not against females playing. but you are asking for ambulance chasers with them playing with guys who run the same and outweight them by 40 minimum. If they can take the beating during two a days? and do all the things that are expected of the rest? She will get a jersey just like everybody else.
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Post by k on Jul 22, 2008 18:40:02 GMT -6
I am not against females playing. but you are asking for ambulance chasers with them playing with guys who run the same and outweight them by 40 minimum. If they can take the beating during two a days? and do all the things that are expected of the rest? She will get a jersey just like everybody else. I've got a 5'3 75 lb sophomore coming back. Great kid and great effort. If you tell him to tackle the 6' 2 230 pound kid running a 4.7 and squatting and benching a car he is going to go in and make full contact and do everything he can to bring him down. I'm not going to let it happen. I'm going to protect my players. I'm not going to say "Dur girls no play football" and put her up against one of my beasts JUST because she is a girl. If you're not protecting your smaller players you're a poor coach. If you're intentionally putting your smaller players in a situation where they are going to get hurt you're an evil person.
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 22, 2008 18:43:55 GMT -6
It is very different for a guy at that size than for a girl. You can argue this all day long. But it will not change how women stack up physically with men.
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 22, 2008 18:45:20 GMT -6
For your info. Outside has nothing to do with linemen. Its players that would play the womens position if they were playing the other side. In board drill taking on a man 300 lb man? she is a BIG Girl. See where I am going.
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Post by k on Jul 22, 2008 18:54:56 GMT -6
It is very different for a guy at that size than for a girl. Why? I don't disagree with this comment generally but as I've already mentioned I've got a girl who could have started for the Freshman team last year and while she probably wouldn't start on JV this year she would probably get some playing time. I wouldn't think anything of putting her up against one of the JV linemen but just like I wouldn't put a tiny little boy up against my starting varsity left tackle I wouldn't put her up against him. The idea that you should push out girls by intentionally putting them in a situation where they are likely to get hurt not only makes you a bad coach for not protecting your players but makes you an evil person for going out of your way to injure a woman.
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Post by ex-centralcoach on Jul 22, 2008 19:22:41 GMT -6
How are you showing her any favortism, by treating her equal. How are my players going to lose respect for me over that?
And how can a Coach, not want to pass on passion and enjoyment of the sport to another person regardless of sex?
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Post by touchdowng on Jul 23, 2008 15:05:08 GMT -6
Ex-Central Coach said: Great advice. First mistake was to let those darned females get educated in the first place, right liberalhater. Then they had to go and get the right to vote.....
Think about it - up to about 3 months ago our country had three presidential candidates (serious ones). One is black, one is a woman and the third is a senior citizen (all are considered minorities in some respect). Who would have imagined that even 25 years ago?
I don't see the ladies taking over the game of H.S. football but if they are courageous enough to try, they should be afforded a chance to find out without a coach feeling like he has to weed her out only because of her gender. That's cheap.
We have a senior girl in our program trying out and I asked her (just yesterday) why she wanted to play. She said that this would be her last chance and it was something she always wanted to try because she couldn't think of anything more physically challenging to ready herself for military service a year from now. She did spring ball with us; went to camp; participates daily in our strength/conditioning and is working our youth camp.
One day she'll probably be in charge of something and think of the perspective (about guys and physical toughenss) she has gained through her current experience.
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Post by ex-centralcoach on Jul 23, 2008 15:20:14 GMT -6
Word
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Post by gilcd754 on Jul 23, 2008 16:11:34 GMT -6
Our program has had a couple of girls try out over the last 13 years I've been here. We expect the same commitment, hard work, discipline and execution from them as everyone else. We weren't worried about preparing them for the "realities of Friday night" because they weren't good enough to compete at that level. Just like we do for other younger, smaller, slower, or weaker kids. We try to put kids in situations they can succeed in by watching our matchups in practice. We don't put kids, regardless of gender, in positions to get embarrassed or hurt, even on game day. We may find playing time for these kids at a receiver spot on the backside of a running play or for a draw play in a lower level game. If things are going well, then we try and get them a touch or some downs at D-Line. Using football as a separator of the predators and the prey is disturbing to me and I think is the source of many stereotypes we're fighting as coaches and players of a great sport!
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Post by raiderpirates on Jul 24, 2008 5:29:48 GMT -6
Had a girl play on our team for two years. A coach's daughter.
Only thing I recall him saying to her in drills when things got tough(she was winded and staying down after making a tackle) was "get up" and she did that.
She never got different treatment. Tough kid. She started at cornerback for a year. The Qb would throw at the other CB, but they'd run at her. She was tough enough, we had our best OLB/DE to her side to bait teams into going that way and they made most of the plays, she just finished off what was left.
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 24, 2008 13:27:10 GMT -6
Let me turn this on you: I am going to send my son to go play on the HS girls basketball team. If he has good attitude and he is better than the girls, why not.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 24, 2008 13:32:38 GMT -6
Let me turn this on you: I am going to send my son to go play on the HS girls basketball team. If he has good attitude and he is better than the girls, why not. WOW... again.
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 24, 2008 13:42:22 GMT -6
what it is about equality.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 24, 2008 13:56:01 GMT -6
Liberal--Equality would be fully funding a girls football team. I was "wowing" at your backpedal. First it was "just line them up and smash them around...that is how you handle girls in football". Then it was "OH I am protecting them from getting smashed, and avoiding lawsuits". Now it is "this is an inequitable situation. so which is it?
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 24, 2008 14:14:14 GMT -6
They can play. they shouldnt, like my boy shouldnt play girls basketball. The school shouldnt be sued because some idiotic parents thought that little susie should football. Their is nothing fair about title IX
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Post by k on Jul 24, 2008 14:30:51 GMT -6
what it is about equality. You might have a point if it was field hockey or volleyball assuming there is no boys team for either. I would have no problem with boys playing either. But you were not really trying to make a point you're just trying to spit on women.
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 24, 2008 14:38:23 GMT -6
wrong again. if the government were paying for all the sports fine. No problem. But they are not. Do you know where that money comes from? for women sports? do you know who they rob?
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 24, 2008 15:01:34 GMT -6
Money producing team sports, none of which are female based. Boys Basketball and Football. The counties chip in by stealing from funds that really should go teachers and other necessities.
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Post by touchdowng on Jul 24, 2008 15:19:25 GMT -6
liberalhater: You are not real.
Somebody has made you up just to "spice" up the board.
I'm glad the idea of liberalhater exists so that the rest of us can keep moving to true north.
Thanks for your thought whoever you really are.
A boy on the girl's basketball team?......that's funny.
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 24, 2008 15:32:02 GMT -6
And its not just women believe it or not. We have sports that males play where their is nobody watching and football basketball pay for it. The real world doesnt work that way. Their are some who would like it to work that way.
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Post by justryn2 on Jul 24, 2008 16:10:12 GMT -6
Someone run a Turing test on liberalhater.
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 24, 2008 16:31:16 GMT -6
anybody who doubts me go talk to your AD. Those programs are not funding themselves.
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Post by touchdowng on Jul 24, 2008 16:57:27 GMT -6
liberal.....
Even before title IX there were plenty of programs that could not properly fund themselves and they had to lean on the major sports. Title IX did not produce a brand new paradigm
Unfortunately, some of those minor sports (guy sports) have had to give way to doing the right thing. The financial pie is only going to be so large in every setting.
Title IX (despite all of the growing pains) was the right thing to do because the girls were treated like 2nd class citizens when it came to extra curricular opportunities. I've had my frustrations but never at the expense of a girl who wants to test new grounds.
I'm not sure what point you are making with your last post. That isn't anything we didn't already know.
The originator of this thread was only looking for help with coaching girls on a boys team.
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Post by ex-centralcoach on Jul 24, 2008 17:52:39 GMT -6
Man you just open up the chute and spray it everywhere..... Your son could play girls basketball if there wasnt mens basketball, I bet your alot of fun to be around.
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Post by kcbazooka on Jul 24, 2008 18:45:27 GMT -6
Wow, my original post was pretty simplistic -- do you have to buy new pads or not -- seems to evolved in a civil rights thread.
I really don't want to add to this but i Must! There have been cases of boys playing on field hockey teams - had to wear the skirt. There have been examples of boys playing on girls bowling teams. The Black College Association had their own golf tournament and it was won by an all-white team representing a traditional black college. Of course, we could argue for days (and probably will!) whether girls should be allowed to wrestle boys. One of the best linebackers I have coached was a cheerleader for junior high basketball (I think he did it to show off but maybe it was because of the chicks). Camp starts next week, we'll see if it is an issue.
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Post by liberalhater on Jul 24, 2008 18:58:12 GMT -6
Guys, Treat it like any buisness. Get the girls and any other sport to show up. Let the market dictate if it is viable. But that is not what is happening. They are taking money from football and basketball program that need that money. Not taking money from school district that claim short falls in cash. Life is not fair. NOBODY watches the WNBA. NOBODY. look at the rating. BOO HOO, my son wants to play basketball. and he will look good doing it. Sarcasm of course. Theirs no girls football? SO START A TEAM.
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Post by k on Jul 24, 2008 20:27:05 GMT -6
Treat it like any buisness. Get the girls and any other sport to show up. Let the market dictate if it is viable. Damn I guess we have to end our football program because we'll NEVER be able to self fund via market forces and will ALWAYS have to get money from the tax base in town. Why not just eliminate the public schools and treat it like any business? You can't pay? No education for you. Hell why not do it to the military? You can't pay? No security for you. I can easily say that more people here watch women's UCONN basketball than NBA games. Easily.
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Post by coachd5085 on Jul 24, 2008 20:32:30 GMT -6
liberal--not to stray TOOO far off target, BUT...you could argue that about FOOTBALL too. As a taxpayer, I see no viable need to subsidize football. Many if not most college football programs are NOT self sufficient. Not only do they not fund the entire athletic program, they don't even fund themselves. I know my high school team was not self sufficient. I know my high school LEAGUE was not self sufficient (Rural league in south Louisiana).
Bazooka..LOL..no, no special pads. And as far as your worry that about the girls not playing varsity...I would say just treat it like you would any other guy. I do understand your point though...that the physicality 4 years down the road could be a barrier to play more often in females than in males. If ANYTHING....THAT would be the one "logical" argument for keeping girls off a jr. high team.
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